"When China Rules the World"

[Flying-Emu]

... lol@reducing CO2.

They're interested in reducing CO2; that's why their cities are one of the most toxic places on Earth, amirite? The only reason they dropped CO2 emissions in the first place was so that they wouldn't look like idiots during the Olympics.

 

[NeutralDrow]

Since you linked a Code Geass video, I'm assuming this is a joke.

 

[Lonan]

Since you linked a Code Geass video, I'm assuming this is a joke.

I was joking with that part, but the rest is not a joke. Still, I do not think that China is huge on morality. Many in the U.S. seem intent on blasting China morally, but no matter what they do, I don't think it will phase them. I guess I was trying to indicate what I felt is the attitude (deep down) in many parts of China, including it's government, towards the rest of the world.

But, like global warming, it will happen too slowly to activate that primal part of your brain, so it will eventually overcome. It will take time, but it will happen. Am I suggesting they would physically take over the world? No. However, if a state was in "need of assistance," China might be willing to "assist" them by helping them up to the level of a Han Chinese person. Which of course would mean considerable control over that country, and Chinese education. Education, clean water, food, hooray. Meanwhile, as someone above mentioned, the resources of that country are exploited, and China gains influence over it.

And as for my hatred of democracy, I don't hate it that much, but whenever idiots are allowed to protest having windmills put somewhere because they are "unslightly" or White Supremacists are allowed to protest against multiculturalism and shout "white pride" on the streets of my city because of that "freedom of expression" shit, it makes my blood boil.

 

[Jark212]

The Han population is going to decline sharply over the next two generations due to the one-child policy. The minority nationalities. especially the Muslims, will greatly increase proportionately (they don't have to follow the one-child policy).


So there not that much of a threat.

 

[jasoncyrus]

nostradamus pedicted that the 3rd anti-christ would be from china

point is, it could happen

(p.s. nostradamus also said that russica and america would make an allience just to let you guys know. i do belive in it, cause im awesome like that...)

You remember Nostradamous has been wrong so far right?

The Han population is going to decline sharply over the next two generations due to the one-child policy. The minority nationalities. especially the Muslims, will greatly increase proportionately (they don't have to follow the one-child policy).

So China will be crippled by an large and explosive Muslim minority.

So there not that much of a threat.

Plus they'll start suicide bmbing china soon too probably...(since they've bombed pretty much everywhere else...)

 

[crazy-j]

well i guess someone will revolt then

 

[Jark212]

nostradamus pedicted that the 3rd anti-christ would be from china

point is, it could happen

(p.s. nostradamus also said that russica and america would make an allience just to let you guys know. i do belive in it, cause im awesome like that...)

You remember Nostradamous has been wrong so far right?

And you know just about everything Nostradamous said is borderline schizophrenic??
Try reading his translated proficiencies, pure gibberish.

 

[Shynobee]

No one country has ever ruled the world, and none ever will. Even the really strong ones fall eventually.

Rome had all of the known world, it collapsed underneath its shear size.

The sun never set on England, but then people got sick of that and left.

Now, America has a nice little run, but signs seem to show its on its way out from being a super power to just a plain old power.

China, will follow the same exact pattern. Honestly, I think it'll be even shorter since nobody truly likes communism, especially the ones who are already under its power.

 

[jasoncyrus]

nostradamus pedicted that the 3rd anti-christ would be from china

point is, it could happen

(p.s. nostradamus also said that russica and america would make an allience just to let you guys know. i do belive in it, cause im awesome like that...)

You remember Nostradamous has been wrong so far right?

And you know just about everything Nostradamous said is borderline schizophrenic??
Try reading his translated proficiencies, pure gibberish.

And that makes me wrong....how exactly?

No one country has ever ruled the world, and none ever will. Even the really strong ones fall eventually.

Rome had all of the known world, it collapsed underneath its shear size.

The sun never set on England, but then people got sick of that and left.

Now, America has a nice little run, but signs seem to show its on its way out from being a super power to just a plain old power.

China, will follow the same exact pattern. Honestly, I think it'll be even shorter since nobody truly likes communism, especially the ones who are already under its power.

The UK got pretty damn close.

 

[Shock and Awe]

China is a economical powerhouse yes, but there military is vastly overrated because they only have one branch that can compete with western nations and all the others are well, shit.

 

[data_not_found]

The idea that any single country could ever "rule the world" is pretty ridiculous. Everyone knows the world is run by three or four megaconglomerates.

Please. That will never happen. What kind of company could control EVERYTHING I buy? Don't be ridiculous. Now excuse me, there's a sale at Walmart on TVs, cars, and ham.

 

[dodo1331]

No country has, and will ever rule the world. ALL attempts have failed. The closest we have seen so far is Genghis Khan and the UK.

 

[ZSF]

you used Japanese anime to make your point

/thread

 

[Barciad]

Oh, dear lord, I remember reading Martin Jaques nonsense a few weeks back.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/22/china-asia-west-democracy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/23/china-martin-jacques-economics
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/10/china-han-identity-uighur
Quite honestly, the man is doing an excellent Kent Brockman impersonation as the threat of 'Ant Invasion' becomes imminant.
China is too unstable and too absolutist to have any meaningful influence in the long term whilst in its present state. I always find myself criticising America from time to time, though admitedly, not as much as I once did. May it's something to do with them not being run by a chimpanzee any more. But enough of that.
Whatever ill I may say about the US, it is magnified a hundred fold when China is mentioned. Simply because China is a facist state. I won't mince my words here. China exhibits each and every single characteristic of what facism is. Rabid nationalism, militarism, authoritarianism, totalitarianism, racism, misogyny, and imperialism. All hallmarks of those less than wholesome regimes that landed themselves on 1930's Europe. I've already had my fair share of jousting with China's very own AIPAC, and to be honest, I'm not very impressed.
Is the best you can do really, 'you're British - you're one to talk'?
Yes, a random act of chance meant I was born 20 miles north of London to an English couple. I have said it before, but I will say it again, the state that governs any particular piece of land does not, I repeat does not, represent the people, society, and all who dwell in it. It is a common thread running through all nationalists (be they whole regimes or individual people) to suggest that state, country, and society are all one and the same.
Thus an attack on Bush meant an attack on America - thus labelling you anti-American. A comment on the Gaza Strip made you anti-Semetic, etc, etc. Those that made such claims assumed that the actions of Likud or the Republican Party were in fact those of America. They were not, and are not. They merely represent a portion of American/Israeli people, i.e. those that happen to be holding the keys to power right about now.
Similarly, the CCP is in no way representative of the Chinese people. In the same vein, we have the actions of the British state these past few hundred years. Pretty dire I am sure you are all aware, and in no way related to me whatsoever. Unless of course, I choose to support them. This, I believe to be the key point here. I might say that I would have supported the actions of Churchill or Atlee during the 40's. This was not because I was British, but because I believed them to be right. Yet, I opposed the invasion of Iraq and remain abivilant about Afghanistan. I also would have opposed Suez had I been alive to see it. Is it because I am anti-British or self-hating, or rather I saw the actions as wrong.
Messers Brown (and those that have come before him) might claim to speak for me, but I say they do not. If they say something that I agree with (not very likely these days I admit), then I will say so, if not, then I will disagree with it, and then give my reasons why. Their actions and my thoughts have no connection whatsoever, and if they ever do, then it is purely coincidental. That, I believe applies to most people out there.
Support for any state is a matter of personal choice. Thus, it is more than fair to hold those that openly support such states in connection to the actions that they advocate. Yet those like me that refuse to claim such loyalties. I think other tactics are required, don't you.

 

[Shaoken]

China is currently building up their military as well as their economy which is one of the reasons why I personally see them as a threat. Right now they are just an economic power, but that will not last. People should become increasingly worried about how China is sealing itself to outside ideas, while building it's military, and rattling it's sabers.

Here's where you're wrong. China has a large military, but no ability to project it anywhere. They need the bulk of their military within their own country to maintain control, considering how frequently they invoke Martial Law. So militarially they're not much of a threat because they can't use most of their army for attacking. Hell the only plan the Chinese ever had for taking over the world was to nuke everything, because they had more people then anyone else they could win it (yes, they actually believe this).

They can posture all they want, but unless it's a nation right next to their borders then they can't exactly pose much of a threat. If they try to expend too much power then they'll have a revolution on their hands and not enough soliders to deal with it.

Unlike other nations they DO have the abillity to put that many boots on the ground.

No, they don't. See above. They lack the ability to project their military, meaning they can never become a superpower. Even if they nuked the major government locations and destroyed the sat-network completely (something which would be beyond China's power to do since it would mean both being able to get a working space shuttle program ready, but also to get dozens of shuttles armed and into orbit; something which would trigger alarm bells everywhere), they still wouldn't be able to get their troops out of the country without leaving themselves open to revolution.

 

[MortisLegio]

Just wait... about every 50 to 100 years china has a revolution where the inland people kick the coastal people's ass then takeover. its been 50 years since the last one so not much longer now.

 

[Therumancer]

China is currently building up their military as well as their economy which is one of the reasons why I personally see them as a threat. Right now they are just an economic power, but that will not last. People should become increasingly worried about how China is sealing itself to outside ideas, while building it's military, and rattling it's sabers.

Here's where you're wrong. China has a large military, but no ability to project it anywhere. They need the bulk of their military within their own country to maintain control, considering how frequently they invoke Martial Law. So militarially they're not much of a threat because they can't use most of their army for attacking. Hell the only plan the Chinese ever had for taking over the world was to nuke everything, because they had more people then anyone else they could win it (yes, they actually believe this).

They can posture all they want, but unless it's a nation right next to their borders then they can't exactly pose much of a threat. If they try to expend too much power then they'll have a revolution on their hands and not enough soliders to deal with it.

Unlike other nations they DO have the abillity to put that many boots on the ground.

No, they don't. See above. They lack the ability to project their military, meaning they can never become a superpower. Even if they nuked the major government locations and destroyed the sat-network completely (something which would be beyond China's power to do since it would mean both being able to get a working space shuttle program ready, but also to get dozens of shuttles armed and into orbit; something which would trigger alarm bells everywhere), they still wouldn't be able to get their troops out of the country without leaving themselves open to revolution.

You are correct to an extent, but your misunderstanding part of my point. China is developing the abillity to project that military. As things stand you are correct, they do not have the abillity to put billions of boots on the shores of another nation. However they are developing things like the "Yuan Class" Submarine which is allegedly comparable to our "Sea Wolf" class. I only know as much about it as I do because a while back (probably about 2 years now) there was an article about how they managed to "Tag" the Kitty Hawke which is one of our carriers. This basically means that the piloted up to where they could have gotten a confirmed kill and then revealed their prescence to make a point, this in spite of the escorts of said carrier. That is a terrifying display of power to us given our alleged naval dominance and that was ultimatly the point (a threat/saber rattling).

One of the big reasons China is unable to "project it's power" is because in order to do so it would need to be able to put it's troops on boats, and get those boats to the target intact. This wouldn't be possible "normally" because of the abillity of existing naval forces to cut them to pieces with submarines and the like. However with China building up a submarine fleet your looking at the abillity to escort surface ships as well as effectively challenge the naval dominance of other world powers.

If they were focused internally as you (and others) claim, they would have no need for weapons of this sort, especially seeing as they have done just fine without them as a "mere" economic powerhouse.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that they could launch a billion boot invasion tomorrow, but they are definatly working on the technology to do exactly that, and it would be foolish to think that they don't realize it. Right now the only thing that makes it impractical for them to launch an invasion if they were to continue their technological development is the abillity of the US to pretty much annihilate them with nulcear missles.

All hypothetical situations aside, we DO know that China has been developing anti-satellite technologies (I read an article, again a long time ago, about China using some kind of laser based system to blind our spy Satellites), and on top of this they are also developing their own space program, and frankly anyone who doesn't see the military applications here lacks foresight (I've described some of the possibilities).

When I talk about throwing the first punch, I say it because I figure we could take China right now, even if we don't have an excuse. But in the long run if we wait for them to develop all this stuff and become a threat... well... it becomes more of an uncertain factor and a bigger bloodbath to say the least.

Truthfully the very same internal policies that you mention are exactly the motivation for China to embark on a war on conquest. Simply put they are overpopulated, and all rhetoric aside they are having issues of dealing with their sheer numbers of people as well as the methods they need to use to control a population that size. Additional living space is something that everyone in China can relate to, and they have enough racism/concept of national destiny to feel justified in their actions, and closing off the country to outside influance while rattling their sabers can definatly get the population motivated in that direction. You move the nation out to invade other countries under those circumstances and you wind up not needing to use the military to surpress them.

Basically what I'm saying is the situation is bound to change, and despite what people think all the elements are in place for them to become a global threat. Just because they don't have the technology in their hands now, it's foolish to pretend to ignore the writing on the wall. They are developing it.

This is simply how I see things.

 

[ScarlettRage]

nostradamus pedicted that the 3rd anti-christ would be from china

point is, it could happen

(p.s. nostradamus also said that russica and america would make an allience just to let you guys know. i do belive in it, cause im awesome like that...)

You remember Nostradamous has been wrong so far right?

And you know just about everything Nostradamous said is borderline schizophrenic??
Try reading his translated proficiencies, pure gibberish.

why must you spoil my fun...
*goes and cries because people are mean to her*