When does someone deserve death?

[TheDarkestDerp]

If a person is a spider, a hairy icky spider, and within spitting distance of my person, death is not only deserved, it's being begged for. Stomping, squishing, hurling a brick at your exoskeleton-having ass BEGGED for.

Other than that, unless I'm the one who was killed, raped, beaten or molested, I can't say any crime deserves anything. I'm only a human, like anyone else, just as capable of violence when pressured, crimes of passion or outright cruelty. Who the fuck am I to say someone deserves a free taco, much less to be killed?

Also- American.

 

[Particulate]

1) Shoot him. I carry every day. Easy answer

2) It would depend on the circumstances. If it was in cold blood or part of a contract killing then its death for them. Crime of Passion though? Life in Prison without Parole. Let them rot for the rest of their days and think about what they did.

I'm for the death penalty. There's simply some crimes which merit death.

hm, why do some crimes merit death?

Due to their nature or the indifference to the human condition. Examples:

Rape
Physically Abusing a Child
Sexually Abusing a Child
Physically Abusing a Senior Citizen
Sexually Abusing a Senior Citizen
Physically Abusing someone that's mentally or physically handicapped
Sexually Abusing someone that's mentally or physically handicapped


I'm sure you're seeing a theme here. There's very little that's more damaging to a person's emotional and mental health than repeated physical abuse or sexual assault. Regardless of gender, regardless of who the aggressor is. To me there's simply a line that no person should find themselves compelled to cross and doing so should result in nothing short of a speedy trial followed by a needle.

 

[Zack1501]

Death for those who cause death. Plain and simple. Though probably shouldn't apply to soldiers.

If a person kills a killer are the not also a killer to?

 

[Zack1501]

everyone deserves death eventually. People cant cause death they can only shorten life.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

Brazil, here.

I think some people deserve death, simply for economy reasons. Compulsive rapists, pedophile rapists and people who kill for futile reasons are, IMO, beyond any chance of redemption. And I don't think it is fair that us, the society, should pay for accommodation and 3 meals a day for the rest of their miserable lives.

So, they should be put down quickly and painlessly. That's the most I'll grant them.

Also, anyone who violently corners me or my loved ones will receive the blunt side of a shovel in their spinal cord, without any initial remorse. I won't enjoy that, but I won't hesitate to do so, also.

edit: woops forgot to put, from nebraska,US
roughly this.

you can think about it morally, or you can think about it logically.

morally i will do everything i can to not kill someone, i like to believe we are just humans that make mistakes and we deserve second chances, and i just don't have the need or anger to kill anyone, nearly ever, hell i hardly am competitive enough to play sports let alone get the anger to fight/stab/shoot someone.


that person is destructive, they are using up free meals and taking up space on the planet and are more then likely no hope for redemption or doing anything positive, therefore the easiest thing to do is put em out of their misery instantly and save everyone else alot of stressing out and tax money.

i would never go out of my way to kill someone, nor would i say you are allowed to kill just anyone, but if it was a life and death situation i would have not a single picosecond of a thought on killing the person instantly. and wouldn't waste a single second afterward pondering about it either.

Never. I love these christian moralist who say that we should kill some one if they have killed some one. Yet in the Bible it says only god may chose when some one dies (I am atheist BTW). I love how people think that death is worse than life. No... not here in the USA anyways. Prisons are hell and often in the grips of gangs. Living the rest of your life in there would be hell. The death penalty is a way out of that hell. I think its morally wrong and way to many people get accused who are actually innocent. Like Troy Davis.

As Gandhi said "An Eye for an Eye leaves the whole world blind".

you know what i love? generalizing everyone who references they believe in a god, and try and abhor every single person to the exact set same of rules. Do all atheists hold the exact same values? does every atheist act the exact same way? noo?

and what if they are 100% without a doubt convicted? then they just get to waste your tax money sitting in jail enjoying three hots and a cott?

have you not seen the news stories of people purposely breaking the law to get back INTO jail? the standard for the average jail is higher than most unemployed people are, so no, i really don't think it is "worse than death".

and that quote has always been flawed, i could be a smartass retort back with "then you'll just walk around with a bunch of pissed off one eyed people,, while those two eyed people are left to poke more people's one eye out without retort."

Did I ever say that all Christians are like that? Nope. Did I ever say just because you believe in a religion means that you hold the same believes as the radicals in the same religion? No? Well good then we can clear that up.

Now then as for jails go, No. They are not a paradise bud. Hows about the convicts who were wrongly convicted and sentenced to solitary confinement? You know like the three men who were convicted of killing children as some cult thing and they ACTUALLY didn't do it? So the pain they suffer emotionally isn't what other convicts suffer? That they are the only ones ever put in solitary confinement and were scared for life? Your right, wow that seems so awesome. Then all the rape that happens and the gangs in there. Don't pull that "OH HOW WOULD YOU KNOW!" Hows about a uncle who has been there because of home invasion.

Hows about Troy Davis? Explain why he had to die when it was clear that the evidence didn't add up. When the jury even said they wouldn't of convicted him if they would have know how screwed up the cops were, like how they pressured by cops to give false testimony's?

Now the tax issue is simply this, there is a thousand more people your paying for in there, NOT ONE MORE!!! Lets sentence all of them to death!

Im sorry but I don't see how a simple injection that kills you fast is worse than solitary confinement.

nope, you didn't, but making snarky religious stabs gets you no where and you had to have known making that statement wouldn't bring anything good of it.

and did i say they were a paradise? no, but compared to some places out there, especially some fucked up projects, prison is glorious. (I wasn't going to pull the "OH HOW WOULD YOU KNOW?", as that doesn't seem relevant all, but mmk.) My uncle worked for security at the prison in the county over, and worked his way up to swat sniper, and yeah after being their only a couple times briefly, no shit i wouldn't want to be there at all, especially if i was wrongly accused, but like i said, there are places in this world fucking 2-3x worse than the average prison can be, so for alot of people that doesn't make a damn difference being out here or in there.

i never said anything about troy davis? if it didn't add up then i don't blame you for being upset over it, the only thing i mentioned was when it is 100% without a doubt that that person had done it, then it should be considered for death penalty. and lets see..your dead? they can't do anything then, kapoot, nothing, not a burden on this world anymore and

and that seems so awesome? where...what..where did i mention anything being awesome? jeesh and you thought i was straw manning there...

 

[zehydra]

1) Shoot him. I carry every day. Easy answer

2) It would depend on the circumstances. If it was in cold blood or part of a contract killing then its death for them. Crime of Passion though? Life in Prison without Parole. Let them rot for the rest of their days and think about what they did.

I'm for the death penalty. There's simply some crimes which merit death.

hm, why do some crimes merit death?

Due to their nature or the indifference to the human condition. Examples:

Rape
Physically Abusing a Child
Sexually Abusing a Child
Physically Abusing a Senior Citizen
Sexually Abusing a Senior Citizen
Physically Abusing someone that's mentally or physically handicapped
Sexually Abusing someone that's mentally or physically handicapped


I'm sure you're seeing a theme here. There's very little that's more damaging to a person's emotional and mental health than repeated physical abuse or sexual assault. Regardless of gender, regardless of who the aggressor is. To me there's simply a line that no person should find themselves compelled to cross and doing so should result in nothing short of a speedy trial followed by a needle.

you didn't answer my question. why do those crimes merit the death of the criminal?

 

[StrixMaxima]

snippet

While you may be correct about the costs, they are another issue altogether. The US has the most ludicrous Law costs in the world, and most of the Jail system has been outsourced to private companies, again at a premium cost.

The question is about our moral choices and reactions. Those were given. However, if we start accounting every imperfection in this world, we'll get nowhere. We should strive to make a better system and to educate everyone so incidents like this are rarer and rarer. But I think it is too naïve to dodge the question and the morality behind it. I think that, under certain circumstances, anyone will do anything.

Also, in a perfect world, no one would commit heinous crimes, so, it's a moot point.

 

[manic_depressive13]

Always and never. Death doesn't need to be earned. It'll happen anyway. I find it kind of strange to think of it as a punishment. I don't feel that someone who has killed should be killed, but it doesn't matter to me if they are. I've never understood how people can believe life to be precious, then gorge themselves on dead animals for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Nobody deserves to die for a crime. But people deserve to die if that crime can be avoided ... within certain restriction.

For excample, how much harm that they would cause if allowed to act without restriction? Or is the person beyond reasonable doubt to cause a large catastrophe? If you look at it objectively, even innocent people deaserve to die if it can avert a greater catastrophe ... but only if that catastrophe cannot be averted in any meaningful or sufficiently cost effective way beforehand.

For example, it is right that a Captain give his life to make sure all his crewmen survive ... that he or she is the last person to conduct an abandonment of the vessel. That does not, however, mean that a Captain should go down with their ship ...

It only means that a Captain should go down with their ship if it helps to save as many crewmembers as possible. That there is no shadow of doubt that there isn't more than can be done aboard the vessel prior to abandonning it yourself.

Very ... very fine line. But nobody should die if someone is safely secured away and is nop longer a threat.

 

[willsham45]

Court situation

I have no idea how it generally works. I do not support the death penalty and we do not have it. I do not like the thought of an innocent person being put to death, you cannot exactly reverse that if its found out.

However if it is used I feel it should only be used on those who kill and/or torcher, have done on multiple occasions, have been given a chance of forgiveness or at least as much as can be given. Not for theft or drugs. It should only be used for the worse of the worse, which from the sounds of it is not the case.

If someone kills in prison they should go they got there warning when they arrived.

Spire of the mentent thing

You do not know until you are in it...threaten me or my family with force and I will do all I can to stop you going as far as killing if it comes to that and depending what?s at hand. I may show restaint I may not I may just brake his or her legs and hands and leave him...I may Freeze and die you don't know.

 

[enzilewulf]

Brazil, here.

I think some people deserve death, simply for economy reasons. Compulsive rapists, pedophile rapists and people who kill for futile reasons are, IMO, beyond any chance of redemption. And I don't think it is fair that us, the society, should pay for accommodation and 3 meals a day for the rest of their miserable lives.

So, they should be put down quickly and painlessly. That's the most I'll grant them.

Also, anyone who violently corners me or my loved ones will receive the blunt side of a shovel in their spinal cord, without any initial remorse. I won't enjoy that, but I won't hesitate to do so, also.

edit: woops forgot to put, from nebraska,US
roughly this.

you can think about it morally, or you can think about it logically.

morally i will do everything i can to not kill someone, i like to believe we are just humans that make mistakes and we deserve second chances, and i just don't have the need or anger to kill anyone, nearly ever, hell i hardly am competitive enough to play sports let alone get the anger to fight/stab/shoot someone.


that person is destructive, they are using up free meals and taking up space on the planet and are more then likely no hope for redemption or doing anything positive, therefore the easiest thing to do is put em out of their misery instantly and save everyone else alot of stressing out and tax money.

i would never go out of my way to kill someone, nor would i say you are allowed to kill just anyone, but if it was a life and death situation i would have not a single picosecond of a thought on killing the person instantly. and wouldn't waste a single second afterward pondering about it either.

Never. I love these christian moralist who say that we should kill some one if they have killed some one. Yet in the Bible it says only god may chose when some one dies (I am atheist BTW). I love how people think that death is worse than life. No... not here in the USA anyways. Prisons are hell and often in the grips of gangs. Living the rest of your life in there would be hell. The death penalty is a way out of that hell. I think its morally wrong and way to many people get accused who are actually innocent. Like Troy Davis.

As Gandhi said "An Eye for an Eye leaves the whole world blind".

you know what i love? generalizing everyone who references they believe in a god, and try and abhor every single person to the exact set same of rules. Do all atheists hold the exact same values? does every atheist act the exact same way? noo?

and what if they are 100% without a doubt convicted? then they just get to waste your tax money sitting in jail enjoying three hots and a cott?

have you not seen the news stories of people purposely breaking the law to get back INTO jail? the standard for the average jail is higher than most unemployed people are, so no, i really don't think it is "worse than death".

and that quote has always been flawed, i could be a smartass retort back with "then you'll just walk around with a bunch of pissed off one eyed people,, while those two eyed people are left to poke more people's one eye out without retort."

Did I ever say that all Christians are like that? Nope. Did I ever say just because you believe in a religion means that you hold the same believes as the radicals in the same religion? No? Well good then we can clear that up.

Now then as for jails go, No. They are not a paradise bud. Hows about the convicts who were wrongly convicted and sentenced to solitary confinement? You know like the three men who were convicted of killing children as some cult thing and they ACTUALLY didn't do it? So the pain they suffer emotionally isn't what other convicts suffer? That they are the only ones ever put in solitary confinement and were scared for life? Your right, wow that seems so awesome. Then all the rape that happens and the gangs in there. Don't pull that "OH HOW WOULD YOU KNOW!" Hows about a uncle who has been there because of home invasion.

Hows about Troy Davis? Explain why he had to die when it was clear that the evidence didn't add up. When the jury even said they wouldn't of convicted him if they would have know how screwed up the cops were, like how they pressured by cops to give false testimony's?

Now the tax issue is simply this, there is a thousand more people your paying for in there, NOT ONE MORE!!! Lets sentence all of them to death!

Im sorry but I don't see how a simple injection that kills you fast is worse than solitary confinement.

nope, you didn't, but making snarky religious stabs gets you no where and you had to have known making that statement wouldn't bring anything good of it.

and did i say they were a paradise? no, but compared to some places out there, especially some fucked up projects, prison is glorious. (I wasn't going to pull the "OH HOW WOULD YOU KNOW?", as that doesn't seem relevant all, but mmk.) My uncle worked for security at the prison in the county over, and worked his way up to swat sniper, and yeah after being their only a couple times briefly, no shit i wouldn't want to be there at all, especially if i was wrongly accused, but like i said, there are places in this world fucking 2-3x worse than the average prison can be, so for alot of people that doesn't make a damn difference being out here or in there.

i never said anything about troy davis? if it didn't add up then i don't blame you for being upset over it, the only thing i mentioned was when it is 100% without a doubt that that person had done it, then it should be considered for death penalty. and lets see..your dead? they can't do anything then, kapoot, nothing, not a burden on this world anymore and

and that seems so awesome? where...what..where did i mention anything being awesome? jeesh and you thought i was straw manning there...

The reason I brought up troy Davis was because of how wrongly accused he was and how this is a common thing. Thats terrible and wrong, im sure when they said case closed they thought it was 100%. But the future can bring new evidence.

So your telling me that Death is the only way to keep dangerous people out of the world? We could just simply lock them up in solitary confinement and let them rot like the deserve. Die unoticed, unloved, and unwanted. And Criminal injection costs way more than in a life sentence.

 

[VanTesla]

People that deserve death; any who cause pain and suffering with no remorse, use their born talents for greed and corruption, people in power that manipulate society into dogma and use propaganda to vilify any opposition, and terrorist acts (killing innocents in the crossfire negates any form of sympathy or support).

Born in the USA and my state has no death penalty. I hate my Country and States justice system in every possible way. It is full of corruption, political agendas, biased toward certain individuals and groups, hard to change things once something is passed into law even if it is illogical, amount of money it takes for small cases, and lawsuits for idiotic things like pouring coffee on your crotch and suing the facility that gave you the coffee then winning millions of dollars.

 

[TriGGeR_HaPPy]

snippet

While you may be correct about the costs, they are another issue altogether. The US has the most ludicrous Law costs in the world, and most of the Jail system has been outsourced to private companies, again at a premium cost.

The question is about our moral choices and reactions. Those were given. However, if we start accounting every imperfection in this world, we'll get nowhere. We should strive to make a better system and to educate everyone so incidents like this are rarer and rarer. But I think it is too naïve to dodge the question and the morality behind it. I think that, under certain circumstances, anyone will do anything.

Also, in a perfect world, no one would commit heinous crimes, so, it's a moot point.

I agree completely. I posted my reaction to the OP in the second post... I merely posted about the costs due to one of the users here deciding to base his moral/ethical opinion seemingly on cost alone, so I thought I'd open some eyes.

You're right about the US having some pretty ridiculous costs, but those were just the stats I found after just a few minutes of searching. And a lot of the users here are from the US so I thought it'd be relevant to a lot of people, even if it's not so relevant to others...

 

[CrimsonBlaze]

No one actually has complete control over whether someone lives or dies. Sure, there are some monsters out there that do horrible and despicable things, but we cannot go around killing anyone that makes us sick to our stomach.

The only reason the death penalty exists is because the courts are unable to dispatch "cruel and unusual punishment" to its prisoners. Rather than flailing the crap out of those who truly deserve a slow and painful death, we have resort to a more 'humane' approach: lethal injection.

 

[the spud]

The Revenge of the Snip

Well, this is a different argument, but is it really better to lock a person up than to kill him? I, personally, would rather die, but whatever.

Really, it comes down to Consequentialism Vs. Deontology. Is it better to save money by killing such "bad people" and not let them soak up tax dollars, or is it better to quarantine them so they can do no more harm. They do nothing productive and cost more, but you are more "in the right", I guess.

Personally, since the "Life in Prison>Death" is questionable at best, I think it is probably a lot more efficient to employ the death penalty. But I can definitely see your point of view. You are technically "more in the right", but I just don't know if it is worth it to the rest of us.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

Brazil, here.

I think some people deserve death, simply for economy reasons. Compulsive rapists, pedophile rapists and people who kill for futile reasons are, IMO, beyond any chance of redemption. And I don't think it is fair that us, the society, should pay for accommodation and 3 meals a day for the rest of their miserable lives.

So, they should be put down quickly and painlessly. That's the most I'll grant them.

Also, anyone who violently corners me or my loved ones will receive the blunt side of a shovel in their spinal cord, without any initial remorse. I won't enjoy that, but I won't hesitate to do so, also.

edit: woops forgot to put, from nebraska,US
roughly this.

you can think about it morally, or you can think about it logically.

morally i will do everything i can to not kill someone, i like to believe we are just humans that make mistakes and we deserve second chances, and i just don't have the need or anger to kill anyone, nearly ever, hell i hardly am competitive enough to play sports let alone get the anger to fight/stab/shoot someone.


that person is destructive, they are using up free meals and taking up space on the planet and are more then likely no hope for redemption or doing anything positive, therefore the easiest thing to do is put em out of their misery instantly and save everyone else alot of stressing out and tax money.

i would never go out of my way to kill someone, nor would i say you are allowed to kill just anyone, but if it was a life and death situation i would have not a single picosecond of a thought on killing the person instantly. and wouldn't waste a single second afterward pondering about it either.

Never. I love these christian moralist who say that we should kill some one if they have killed some one. Yet in the Bible it says only god may chose when some one dies (I am atheist BTW). I love how people think that death is worse than life. No... not here in the USA anyways. Prisons are hell and often in the grips of gangs. Living the rest of your life in there would be hell. The death penalty is a way out of that hell. I think its morally wrong and way to many people get accused who are actually innocent. Like Troy Davis.

As Gandhi said "An Eye for an Eye leaves the whole world blind".

you know what i love? generalizing everyone who references they believe in a god, and try and abhor every single person to the exact set same of rules. Do all atheists hold the exact same values? does every atheist act the exact same way? noo?

and what if they are 100% without a doubt convicted? then they just get to waste your tax money sitting in jail enjoying three hots and a cott?

have you not seen the news stories of people purposely breaking the law to get back INTO jail? the standard for the average jail is higher than most unemployed people are, so no, i really don't think it is "worse than death".

and that quote has always been flawed, i could be a smartass retort back with "then you'll just walk around with a bunch of pissed off one eyed people,, while those two eyed people are left to poke more people's one eye out without retort."

Did I ever say that all Christians are like that? Nope. Did I ever say just because you believe in a religion means that you hold the same believes as the radicals in the same religion? No? Well good then we can clear that up.

Now then as for jails go, No. They are not a paradise bud. Hows about the convicts who were wrongly convicted and sentenced to solitary confinement? You know like the three men who were convicted of killing children as some cult thing and they ACTUALLY didn't do it? So the pain they suffer emotionally isn't what other convicts suffer? That they are the only ones ever put in solitary confinement and were scared for life? Your right, wow that seems so awesome. Then all the rape that happens and the gangs in there. Don't pull that "OH HOW WOULD YOU KNOW!" Hows about a uncle who has been there because of home invasion.

Hows about Troy Davis? Explain why he had to die when it was clear that the evidence didn't add up. When the jury even said they wouldn't of convicted him if they would have know how screwed up the cops were, like how they pressured by cops to give false testimony's?

Now the tax issue is simply this, there is a thousand more people your paying for in there, NOT ONE MORE!!! Lets sentence all of them to death!

Im sorry but I don't see how a simple injection that kills you fast is worse than solitary confinement.

nope, you didn't, but making snarky religious stabs gets you no where and you had to have known making that statement wouldn't bring anything good of it.

and did i say they were a paradise? no, but compared to some places out there, especially some fucked up projects, prison is glorious. (I wasn't going to pull the "OH HOW WOULD YOU KNOW?", as that doesn't seem relevant all, but mmk.) My uncle worked for security at the prison in the county over, and worked his way up to swat sniper, and yeah after being their only a couple times briefly, no shit i wouldn't want to be there at all, especially if i was wrongly accused, but like i said, there are places in this world fucking 2-3x worse than the average prison can be, so for alot of people that doesn't make a damn difference being out here or in there.

i never said anything about troy davis? if it didn't add up then i don't blame you for being upset over it, the only thing i mentioned was when it is 100% without a doubt that that person had done it, then it should be considered for death penalty. and lets see..your dead? they can't do anything then, kapoot, nothing, not a burden on this world anymore and

and that seems so awesome? where...what..where did i mention anything being awesome? jeesh and you thought i was straw manning there...

The reason I brought up troy Davis was because of how wrongly accused he was and how this is a common thing. Thats terrible and wrong, im sure when they said case closed they thought it was 100%. But the future can bring new evidence.

So your telling me that Death is the only way to keep dangerous people out of the world? We could just simply lock them up in solitary confinement and let them rot like the deserve. Die unoticed, unloved, and unwanted. And Criminal injection costs way more than in a life sentence.

that is awful yes, but that is ONE case amongst the millions that have been gone through. human error is bound to mess up somewhere, a perfect society we are not.

it's not the only way, not one bit, but it guarantees that they will never be able to do a damn thing to anyone ever again, ever hear about how many guards/helpers at prisons get stabbed/killed/etc..? it happens much too often, and is extremely tragic, letting that killer/molester live allowed that person to die.

and yes we could, but that generally isn't how it goes, like i said "three hots and a cot" plus some amenities are usually given. their humanity was lost when they pulled that shit, i see no reason why they should have it better than anyone else out there who isn't in prison but is stuck in a shitty place (like a 3rd world country, a begger on the street, etc..)

and yes, that was gone over before in the thread already, the injection itself is dirt cheap, but the stupid trials/legal fees for it all cost an arm and a leg, which most of us were speaking hypothetically if you didn't have all that bullshit so they didn't use up money they weren't worth, it'd be easier that way.

 

[Particulate]

1) Shoot him. I carry every day. Easy answer

2) It would depend on the circumstances. If it was in cold blood or part of a contract killing then its death for them. Crime of Passion though? Life in Prison without Parole. Let them rot for the rest of their days and think about what they did.

I'm for the death penalty. There's simply some crimes which merit death.

hm, why do some crimes merit death?

Due to their nature or the indifference to the human condition. Examples:

Rape
Physically Abusing a Child
Sexually Abusing a Child
Physically Abusing a Senior Citizen
Sexually Abusing a Senior Citizen
Physically Abusing someone that's mentally or physically handicapped
Sexually Abusing someone that's mentally or physically handicapped


I'm sure you're seeing a theme here. There's very little that's more damaging to a person's emotional and mental health than repeated physical abuse or sexual assault. Regardless of gender, regardless of who the aggressor is. To me there's simply a line that no person should find themselves compelled to cross and doing so should result in nothing short of a speedy trial followed by a needle.

you didn't answer my question. why do those crimes merit the death of the criminal?

I did answer your question. "Because of their nature or the indifference to the human condition". Because if you're willing to abandon your humanity out of lust or rage then you do not deserve to live, not even amongst criminals.

 

[zehydra]

The Revenge of the Snip

Well, this is a different argument, but is it really better to lock a person up than to kill him? I, personally, would rather die, but whatever.

Really, it comes down to Consequentialism Vs. Deontology. Is it better to save money by killing such "bad people" and not let them soak up tax dollars, or is it better to quarantine them so they can do no more harm. They do nothing productive and cost more, but you are more "in the right", I guess.

Personally, since the "Life in Prison>Death" is questionable at best, I think it is probably a lot more efficient to employ the death penalty. But I can definitely see your point of view. You are technically "more in the right", but I just don't know if it is worth it to the rest of us.

Life in prison has to be better than death because "good" is derived from the living experience.

 

[zehydra]

1) Shoot him. I carry every day. Easy answer

2) It would depend on the circumstances. If it was in cold blood or part of a contract killing then its death for them. Crime of Passion though? Life in Prison without Parole. Let them rot for the rest of their days and think about what they did.

I'm for the death penalty. There's simply some crimes which merit death.

hm, why do some crimes merit death?

Due to their nature or the indifference to the human condition. Examples:

Rape
Physically Abusing a Child
Sexually Abusing a Child
Physically Abusing a Senior Citizen
Sexually Abusing a Senior Citizen
Physically Abusing someone that's mentally or physically handicapped
Sexually Abusing someone that's mentally or physically handicapped


I'm sure you're seeing a theme here. There's very little that's more damaging to a person's emotional and mental health than repeated physical abuse or sexual assault. Regardless of gender, regardless of who the aggressor is. To me there's simply a line that no person should find themselves compelled to cross and doing so should result in nothing short of a speedy trial followed by a needle.

you didn't answer my question. why do those crimes merit the death of the criminal?

I did answer your question. "Because of their nature or the indifference to the human condition". Because if you're willing to abandon your humanity out of lust or rage then you do not deserve to live, not even amongst criminals.

but why don't you deserve to live? (the question I've been asking)