Where did the Wii go wrong?

[Sevre]

Buy Madworld? Or No More Heroes?

And Wii didnt go wrong.

Madworld looks good, but I hate those comic type games like 13. But can it compete to the likes of Killzone 2 or Gears? According to Play,
this ---> http://www.play.com/Games/Wii/4-/9236834/101-In-1-Party-Megamix-Wii/Product.html is what we have to look forward to.

Friend it's like you want to be flamed. So you ignored any good game that is coming out in the next 6 months, and are taking a review from play.com to be absolute truth? I could go on there and write a customer review stating that your final fantasy game (no clue which one by the way, care to let us know?) is the best thing since internet porn.

And what was the problem with No More Heroes by the way?

I haven't played No More Heroes so I am in no position to say anything bad about that. Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Echoes of Time is the FF game is the one in question, if you remember Crystal Chronicles was originally out for the handhelds. Why is it though that the Wii gets Crystal Chronicles and the PS3 and Xbox get FF13? We get Resident Evil remakes and alternate versions and they get Resi 5. We get party games and movie ports,whereas they get s games by developers such as Bethesda and Valve and whatnot.

 

[rosac]

^ lol, I wouldnt bet against you

rosac

 

[LOOY]

Teh PS3 came around and kicked it's ass.
I was really dissapointed when I tried it out for the first time. The motion-controller was crappy and so were the graphics. PS3 FTW!

Acording to the consoles sold and games, the Wii is kicking the PS3 ass...oh oh oh.

Sales don't mean its a better console, they just have better marketing people. Even my granny has a Wii, people just buy it for the novelty then never use.

 

[StarStruckStrumpets]

The Wii went wrong when the developers thought it'd be a good idea to mis-spell a child-like term for urine.

 

[Cpt_Oblivious]

The wii went wrong when middle aged housewives started thinking it was exercise. Go outside if you want exercise! lol

This.

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We share our opinion.

 

[TheEvilDuck]

Not having enough "hard-core" games and almost nothing exclusive that isn't crap. They also just keep beating out new versions of their four or five franchises (Mario, Legend of Zelda, Metroid, etc.) and not exploring anything new.

 

[Signa]

I am dismayed that no one has mentioned Okami in this thread.

Also, quit the console wars shit. Sales compared to other consoles, nor other console's game selections have ANYTHING to do with the thread topic: where the Wii went wrong.

The Wii went wrong by doing everything right. Wii Sports was a great game, but its deceivingly simple game design led small-time devs to making hundreds of shitty cash-ins. Also, graphics. The underpowered graphics lead a lot of the same lazy devs to try even less because they all are thinking "well, it will look like crap compared to the other systems, so let's not put too much work into making the game look good."

Honestly, I love the graphics. It's right at the level where a game can still look beautiful, yet still not tack on another 6-12 months development time and a $60 price tag. Yet very few games actually try to use the power the Wii has and just make something the N64 probably could handle.

 

[oliveira8]

Buy Madworld? Or No More Heroes?

And Wii didnt go wrong.

Madworld looks good, but I hate those comic type games like 13. But can it compete to the likes of Killzone 2 or Gears? According to Play,
this ---> http://www.play.com/Games/Wii/4-/9236834/101-In-1-Party-Megamix-Wii/Product.html is what we have to look forward to.

Friend it's like you want to be flamed. So you ignored any good game that is coming out in the next 6 months, and are taking a review from play.com to be absolute truth? I could go on there and write a customer review stating that your final fantasy game (no clue which one by the way, care to let us know?) is the best thing since internet porn.

And what was the problem with No More Heroes by the way?

I haven't played No More Heroes so I am in no position to say anything bad about that. Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Echoes of Time is the FF game is the one in question, if you remember Crystal Chronicles was originally out for the handhelds. Why is it though that the Wii gets Crystal Chronicles and the PS3 and Xbox get FF13? We get Resident Evil remakes and alternate versions and they get Resi 5. We get party games and movie ports,whereas they get s games by developers such as Bethesda and Valve and whatnot.

The port's of games from Bethesda and Valve are horrible, might as well not release them or buy them.

The consoles are diferent, Wii has an inferior graphics engine to the 360, PS3 and a cheap PC, and its built to work around the motion thingie. Its built diferent for diferent games. The Wii gets games like No More Heroes and Super Mario Galaxy while 360/PS3 gets Halo 3 and Killzone 2.

 

[JediMB]

They also just keep beating out new versions of their four or five franchises (Mario, Legend of Zelda, Metroid, etc.) and not exploring anything new.

Remember Pikmin? Yeah, barely anyone bought that. Not the only new Nintendo franchise intended for the "hardcore" market that simply didn't make it because people just want their Marios, Zeldas, Metroids, etc.

Remember Nintendogs, Brain Training, Wii Sports, etc.? Of course you do, because they're hugely successful. Casual gamers are more open to new names than "hardcore" Nintendo fans are.

That's why they keep releasing games from their classic franchises for their old fans, and create their new franchises for the Wii and DS generation of gamers.

 

[Xaositect]

For people who actually enjoy gaming a lot and invest a good deal of time in it, like others have said, the wii went wrong when a pissant offering of a few mainstay Nintendo game sequels and a couple of newer titles were all they could offer against a tidal wave of shovelware.

For Nintendo themselves and casual gamers who treat gaming as nothing more than a short distraction every now and then the wii hasnt gone wrong at all.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

Buy Madworld? Or No More Heroes?

And Wii didnt go wrong.

Madworld looks good, but I hate those comic type games like 13. But can it compete to the likes of Killzone 2 or Gears? According to Play,
this ---> http://www.play.com/Games/Wii/4-/9236834/101-In-1-Party-Megamix-Wii/Product.html is what we have to look forward to.

Friend it's like you want to be flamed. So you ignored any good game that is coming out in the next 6 months, and are taking a review from play.com to be absolute truth? I could go on there and write a customer review stating that your final fantasy game (no clue which one by the way, care to let us know?) is the best thing since internet porn.

And what was the problem with No More Heroes by the way?

I haven't played No More Heroes so I am in no position to say anything bad about that. Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Echoes of Time is the FF game is the one in question, if you remember Crystal Chronicles was originally out for the handhelds. Why is it though that the Wii gets Crystal Chronicles and the PS3 and Xbox get FF13? We get Resident Evil remakes and alternate versions and they get Resi 5. We get party games and movie ports,whereas they get s games by developers such as Bethesda and Valve and whatnot.

That mainly boils down to the consumer, and the third party developers who refuse to put any real effort into mapping motion control effectively (or utilising Wii's graphic capabilities). They consider mature and main string titles to be a 'risk' and if we don't buy enough of them, then they wouldn't bother doing it again for a while (Zack and Wiki, for example). However on the flipside, games like Dead Rising: CTYD is garbage, and if they release garbage like this, then they can't expect a million sales.

Also, the title you have been waiting a long time for should be FFCC: The crystal Bearers, not Echoes of Time. Yes I do remember CC out for the handhelds, by the way. And quite frankly, I don't blame them for not porting FF13 to the Wii, it would probably take up too many discs and be too mch work.

As for remakes and alternate versions, we have had one remake and one alternate version. RE 5 could be easily ported, and who knows they may well do it later. Dead Rising, however, is a travesty of an effort on a game, so I blame Capcom for that.

As for you party games and movie ports comment, every console get's movie ports. All of them. Party games yes there are many of them, but you appear to be refusing to look at any of the Wii titles that aren't party games, for example are any of these party games?:

Tenchu: Stealth Assassins
Metroid Prime 3
Zelda: TP
Battalion Wars 2
de Blob
Tatsunoko vs Capcom
MadWorld
House of the Dead: Overkill (is to some degree, but not in the vein of what you are talking about)
The Conduit
Murumasa: The Demon Blade
Kizuna
Winter
Cursed Mountain
Monster Hunter 3 (which was moved from the PS3 to the Wii, care to explain why?)
Tales of Graces
Medal of Honour: Heroes 2
Call of Duty: WaW

I can tell you now, that they aren't. If I were to compare the Wii to anything, it would be the PS2. Allowed itself to be host to much crap, but has a vast amount of solid titles over the span of it's life.

EDIT: Some stuff added in.

 

[SpiritMacardi]

I don't think the Wii went wrong at all. To me, the people who've gone wrong are the third party developers. Most people can't seem to use the controls effectively.

For this point, I will use the example of the Wii ports of Tomb Raider Anniversary and Prince of Persia Two Thrones. Tomb Raider used the motion sensing for aiming the gun and camera, and the nunchuk for dodging and the grappling hook. In my opinion, it worked really well, and it maintained the original gameplay while adding in extras. Meanwhile, Prince of Persia messed up big time. They decided to map the sword fighting to motions, which made the speed kill system absolutely horrid and the final boss pretty much impossible. The game had extremely tight restrictions on what constitutes a swing, and often a single swipe would register as two. It would have been much better if the remote was used for something like balancing on beams, and the swords mapped to the buttons.

Anyway, these are just my thoughts on the matter. Figured I'd get them out there and add a different perspective to the argument.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

I don't think the Wii went wrong at all. To me, the people who've gone wrong are the third party developers. Most people can't seem to use the controls effectively.

For this point, I will use the example of the Wii ports of Tomb Raider Anniversary and Prince of Persia Two Thrones. Tomb Raider used the motion sensing for aiming the gun and camera, and the nunchuk for dodging and the grappling hook. In my opinion, it worked really well, and it maintained the original gameplay while adding in extras. Meanwhile, Prince of Persia messed up big time. They decided to map the sword fighting to motions, which made the speed kill system absolutely horrid and the final boss pretty much impossible. The game had extremely tight restrictions on what constitutes a swing, and often a single swipe would register as two. It would have been much better if the remote was used for something like balancing on beams, and the swords mapped to the buttons.

Anyway, these are just my thoughts on the matter. Figured I'd get them out there and add a different perspective to the argument.

I'm glad you did, because it's all ture, and good examples.

 

[Arkhangelsk]

The Wii went wrong from the beginning, releasing games that either doesn't really need the Wii Remote and would be better with a GC controller (like Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart Wii and Twilight Princess), or games that are made for the satisfaction of having the Remote, but handles it so poorly that the game should hide in shame for befriending the blasted remote (like Red Steel). This, is where Wii went wrong. But it's starting to look brighter for the Wii, with new fun titles (like No More Heroes) and realizing that they can make good games. There were, however, some good titles in the beginning that was good with the Wii Remote and developed an urging romance in the world of fun gaming (like Rayman: Raving Rabbids, Metroid Prime 3, Trauma Center: SO and Wii Sports). I hope, however, that they will drop the whole "motion sensor" thingy, and focus on doing what they do good; fun, unrealistic games along with funny-colored, comfortable controllers.

 

[yeah_so_no]

The Wii hasn't gone wrong--the Wii was never designed for the hardcore gamers; it was designed for casual gamers and for people who haven't really gamed before and aren't into the kind of games on the PS3 or Xbox. So in that respect, the Wii has done exactly what Nintendo set out to do with it, and Nintendo is laughing all the way to the bank while hardcore gamers cry about how the Wii sucks.

 

[Sevre]

Buy Madworld? Or No More Heroes?

And Wii didnt go wrong.

Madworld looks good, but I hate those comic type games like 13. But can it compete to the likes of Killzone 2 or Gears? According to Play,
this ---> http://www.play.com/Games/Wii/4-/9236834/101-In-1-Party-Megamix-Wii/Product.html is what we have to look forward to.

Friend it's like you want to be flamed. So you ignored any good game that is coming out in the next 6 months, and are taking a review from play.com to be absolute truth? I could go on there and write a customer review stating that your final fantasy game (no clue which one by the way, care to let us know?) is the best thing since internet porn.

And what was the problem with No More Heroes by the way?

I haven't played No More Heroes so I am in no position to say anything bad about that. Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Echoes of Time is the FF game is the one in question, if you remember Crystal Chronicles was originally out for the handhelds. Why is it though that the Wii gets Crystal Chronicles and the PS3 and Xbox get FF13? We get Resident Evil remakes and alternate versions and they get Resi 5. We get party games and movie ports,whereas they get s games by developers such as Bethesda and Valve and whatnot.

That mainly boils down to the consumer. They consider mature and main string titles to be a 'risk' and if we don't buy enough of them, then they wouldn't bother doing it again for a while (Zack and Wiki, for example).

Also, the title you have been waiting a long time for should be FFCC: The crystal Bearers, not Echoes of Time. Yes I do remember CC out for the handhelds, by the way. And quite frankly, I don't blame them for not porting FF13 to the Wii, it would probably take up too many discs.

As for remakes and alternate versions, we have had one remake and one alternate version. RE 5 could be easily ported, and who knows they may well do it later. Dead Rising, however, is a travesty of an effort on a game, so I blame Capcom for that.

As for you party games and movie ports comment, every console get's movie ports. All of them. Party games yes there are many of them, but you appear to be refusing to look at any of the Wii titles that aren't party games, for example are any of these party games?:

Tenchu: Stealth Assassins
The Conduit
Murumasa: The Demon Blade
Kizuna
Winter
Cursed Mountain
Monster Hunter 3 (which was moved from the PS3 to the Wii, care to explain why?)
Tales of Graces

I can tell you now, that they aren't. If I were to compare the Wii to anything, it would be the PS2. Allowed itself to be host to much crap, but has a vast amount of solid titles over the span of it's life.

I will take your word (and everyone elses) and try No More Heroes, but If the PS1 Had a 4 disc version of FF13 why not the Wii? I don't mind paying the extra money if they can churn out a good game. Monster Hunter 3 was not released on the PS3 "due to high development cost of titles for PS3" according to Capcom. If they had a balance between casual and hardcore gaming then it would be better. But to see all these party games being made for casual gamers (which I can't understand since casual gamers only buy the occasional game) is being a bit wasteful. Galaxy didn't even use the motion controller much apart from the occasional wiggle and Smash Bros. Brawl didn't use it at all.You are right about The Crystal Bearers though, that game was due for release early 2008 and I hope they don't screw it up.

 

[Strong Intelligent]

Where did the Wii go wrong

He lost good games

Somewhere along in the slurry of third party names

Oh I'd stay up

All night had I known

How to download games.










That was one awful satire, wasn't it?

 

[Woe Is You]

Why is it though that the Wii gets Crystal Chronicles and the PS3 and Xbox get FF13?

The Wii is getting Dragon Quest X, which is arguably the bigger franchise. As for Bethesda and Valve, well, they're mostly PC devs so the console guys aren't getting the best versions of their games either. The PC version of TF2, for example, is a completely different game now compared to the console versions thanks to Valve's updates and community made content.

 

[hagaya]

Nintendo Seal of Approval. I could fill a box with manure and it would probably pass that test. The Wii is a respectable console, putting visual power backseat to interactivity and uniqueness. This of course means that "developers" will want to put something out to make a quick buck, and sadly, the Seal of Approval lets these pieces of crap run amok.
Although, there are a number of great "hardcore" games on the Wii; No More Heroes, MadWorld, To an extent: Twilight Princess and Super Mario Galaxy. Muramasa and The Conduit are shaping up to be pretty good, too. There are a number of games to suit the "hardcore" fancy. The funny thing is the phenomenal amount of dough that Nintendo is raking in from good games and shovelware alike. For every bad Wii game, there's a Grandma that plays Wii Sports. What does that mean to Nintendo?

$$$

Also, I'm not thinking to hard about what "Hardcore" means. I'm assuming its somebody who plays video games avidly. I wouldn't really say "hardcore" for this topic, but thats the best thing I can think of right now. Hardcore or Not, every game puts money in Nintendo's pocket.

 

[Sevre]

Dragon Quest X is something I'm genuinely looking forward to, I think it was the developers who ruined the Wii,they created a few good games the left it to rot among their lesser projects. Gamecube titles are being thrown out to just make money,not take advantage of that ATI Hollywood GPU and the Motion Controller. Eventually the Wii will get the titles it deserves but until then I'll be playing games on Steam.