Where's all the SJWs at?

[Gethsemani_v1legacy]

My guess? Us "SJWs" are all around. Some of us are on the Escapist, some on Kotaku, some on Destructoid, etc.. The reason you don't see us is because we aren't some unified, secret cabal that plot to pick apart games and picket releases we don't like. We are just gamers that want our games to be a bit better, like most gamers do. The recent mess in the gaming community has made many of us surface however, we've stopped just playing games and being content with what we got (because games are fun) to speak up about how we want games to be made, about how the community treats many of its' members (particularly those of us that didn't get a Y chromosome from our dad). Which is another reason you don't see us that much, because trying to express a simple wish to developers about how they could make their game better (such as "less sexualization of women") often ends up with us being overwhelmed by replies from angry guys who feels that we are ruining their fun by virtue of having an opinion. Better to keep your head down and try to avoid the shit storm.

 

[Netrigan]

In my experience, often discussed, rarely seen.

My Tumblr feed has quite a few Feminists on it. I saw maybe two messages a day about Social Justice issues. I had one gamer and he was posting dozens of passive aggressive jabs at SJW everyday. Eventually one particularly self-pitying message (I could disprove all the SJW nonsense in an instant... but I would be banned so I can't), I headed over to his Borderland page. When I started following him, it was wall-to-wall Borderlands, now its wall-to-wall politics... and not even informative politics just a lot of whining about how they're oppressed.

I unfollowed him.

 

[Vault101]

DID SOMEBODY SAY SJW??

[img/]http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/3710072/maleficent-o.gif[/img]

here I am! what will it be? patricary? mysogany? cultural apropriation? I got it all here...wanna hear how Elizabeth is actually sexist? oh hell why don't I just skip to the chase and tell you your all terrible peopel? yes YOU personally micheal! what the hell arte you doing? no don't look at me like that

Because derp

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oh hey! you found my twitter acount!

 

[Zhukov]

I think it would be pretty cool if there were some more non straight-white-male video game protagonists kicking around the place. Also, I will come for your penis in the small hours of the night, armed with a cigar trimmer.

Fear me.

 

[Norithics]

Social Justice Warlock?
Do I have to tap my lifeforce to necro threads?

 

[Jesterscup]

SJW is a label applied to others, not something people self identify with.

I'm a SJW , and proud. There are issues that are close to my heart ( yeah that bodily organ with the icy-dagger poking out of it ), and yeah I'm going to stand up for what I believe in.
So what if it's a derogatory term? I reclaim it!

and I'm a gamer.

 

[shirkbot]

-snip-

Considering your intense concern over the state of the public service known as (hobbyist) journalism I must ask: Are you not, in fact, an SJW? More to the point that Breitebart list isn't of SJWs, it's of game journalists it's accusing of collusion. Very different.

Edit: Oh, nevermind, the user I was responding to was banned. Good show!

OT: I'm sure the SJWs are out there somewhere, but if they're socializing to play games, they're too busy playing games to be all boogyman-y.

 

[Bat Vader]

Because derp

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Someone's probably gunna come and correct me but this is all I have to contribute. Don't know this topic well enough to debate it really.

Perhaps I am interpreting her comments wrong but it seems like she is being sarcastic and egging these people on. I find it funny how angry people are getting at her comments.

 

[carnex]

That being, where are all the SJWs who like gaming?

Take the two pilots that have already made the sacrifice so that you can face the challenge. Dispose of them. Assume the controls. Shove that control into a nosedive! Push yourself to total self-dstruction. As you realize, you are about to enter a world close to Parts Unknown. Ah, smell it. Warriors.

Joking aside, SJW is a pejorative. I don't know a single should that seriously takes that label onto themselves.

Urban dictionary has a definition that explains that much better

Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are "correct" in their social circle.

The SJW's favorite activity of all is to dogpile. Their favorite websites to frequent are Livejournal and Tumblr. They do not have relevant favorite real-world places, because SJWs are primarily civil rights activists only online.

 

[Verlander]

If you sit there, have a think, realise that you are generally pretty cool with inclusion and diversity, and say "hell, I guess that makes me a SJW!", then you're wrong. That makes you a decent stand-up human being.

SJWs are people who actively try to tear down everything men know and love, who would sooner see the media and hobby in ruins just to further their own agenda or get smug self satisfaction. Therefore, they don't exist.

 

[Timpossible]

Hi. I'm here and was called sjw multible times.
I mostly don't post in GG Threads anymore because I learned that as long you don't agree with GG 100% you are aperently either stupid, naive and/or corrupt. You can't discuss with people who are not capable of self-reflection.

 

[Methodia Chicken]

Social Justice Warlock?
Do I have to tap my lifeforce to necro threads?

Don't be silly he means Social Justice War-Monks [http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/War_Monk]
You get to fight for justice with Axes and can use Staves to revive threads, but you can only be one if you are a man.
Which I think they are working on... but have run into linguistic difficulties with the SJWs [http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/War_Cleric] who claim that cleric is a way cooler word. So the SJWs and the SJWs are unable to resolve their SJW differences and are calling on the Social Justice warlocks to be an impartial party in terms of SJWs, so that could be where you got confused.

 

[iTomes]

SJW is a label applied to others, not something people self identify with.

I'm a SJW , and proud. There are issues that are close to my heart ( yeah that bodily organ with the icy-dagger poking out of it ), and yeah I'm going to stand up for what I believe in.
So what if it's a derogatory term? I reclaim it!

and I'm a gamer.

Theres not much to reclaim there, since the term was afaik coined in order to describe what is essentially a group of people that is very hateful, features a lot of sexists, racists and other rather unpleasant people (like people hating thin people, for example, not even sure if theres a proper term for that O_O) who claim to be "feminists" or some similar term while pretty much insulting the very principle of any form of equality.

They also tend to heavily rely on ad hominem and strawman arguments when it comes to actually having a discussion, which basically makes talking to them nearly impossible since they will constantly try to either spin your words around or simply make something up in order to justify why you are not worth talking to and your arguments should hence be dismissed on the grounds that you are a terrible person instead of simply addressing what you actually said.

Theres more about them, specifically regarding some odd sense of "hierarchy" essentially based on just how "oppressed" a person is, an oddly cult-like behaviour, a very weird own terminology to keep themselves free from being called out for how hateful they are etc., but I dont really feel like writing an essay right now .

At any rate, if you want to you are perfectly free to use the term to describe yourself, its not like you need anyones approval after all, though you shouldnt be surprised when a lot of people dont really take you seriously when you basically use a title given to what I would call an insane person to describe yourself, just my two cents .

 

[Souther Thorn]

Because derp

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Someone's probably gunna come and correct me but this is all I have to contribute. Don't know this topic well enough to debate it really.

Perhaps I am interpreting her comments wrong but it seems like she is being sarcastic and egging these people on. I find it funny how angry people are getting at her comments.

I don't. Whether she's being snarky or no, it's perpetuating a cycle of ignorance and loathing and it's reprehensible.

Edited to add:
In the name of fairness I would and have said the same thing on various unmentionable image boards when the hate machine starts up in earnest and the 'egging people on' that goes on there makes headlines. Those gents have no excuse, she has no excuse.

Eventually people have to stop kicking each other and start healing.

 

[C. Cain]

The SJWs are having a nice tea party with the libtards and the contards, the wingnuts and the idiotarians, the bedwetters and the Bushistas, the freepers and the moonbats, the Randroids and the reactionaries, the Rethuglicans and the Pajamahadeen.

- image snip -

The inimitable Eric Cartman is of course presiding. Scones will be served.

And here I was, thinking they'd all hang out on a satellite.
No wait, that's the SJL, not the SJW...

http://img-9gag-lol.9cache.com/photo/a49b606_700b_v1.jpg

Mea culpa.

 

[Thaluikhain]

The SJWs are having a nice tea party with the libtards and the contards, the wingnuts and the idiotarians, the bedwetters and the Bushistas, the freepers and the moonbats, the Randroids and the reactionaries, the Rethuglicans and the Pajamahadeen.

- image snip -

The inimitable Eric Cartman is of course presiding. Scones will be served.

And here I was, thinking they'd all hang out in a satellite.
But that's the SJL, not the SJW...

http://img-9gag-lol.9cache.com/photo/a49b606_700b_v1.jpg

Mea culpa.

Eh, I could actually imagine Wonder Woman and the Black Canary getting annoyed at that. The others, not so much.

 

[Jesterscup]

At any rate, if you want to you are perfectly free to use the term to describe yourself, its not like you need anyones approval after all, though you shouldnt be surprised when a lot of people dont really take you seriously when you basically use a title given to what I would call an insane person to describe yourself, just my two cents .

You're a terrible person for saying that (j/k!)

And my insanity is beyond reproach! And I'd be very wary of anyone who took me seriously.....

OT------------

Your definition is correct from one point of view, as it was ( to my knowledge ) after all created as a derogatory term. But I have seen others self-identify as SJW's including the Sterling, Jim Sterling ( licensed to be thank god'ed for ).
That being said whether or not I choose to label myself in such a way, it has no bearing on how I'm perceived by others for the most part, and frankly those who do are unlikely to listen to my point of view regardless. Sadly both sides in these sorts of debates have those with grudges and a manifesto, anything I can to to identify those people and move on to actually having a conversation/debate, and getting to a deeper understanding of the issues is a good thing.

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Now I've got a lovely picket fence to sit on while both sides( of whatever, pick an issue, personally my favourite is the old green vs. red hats debacle, nothing like a nice bit of religious persecution ) attack me with rotten tomatoes.... Good thing I choose a red dress today.

SJW FTW!!!

 

[C. Cain]

Eh, I could actually imagine Wonder Woman and the Black Canary getting annoyed at that. The others, not so much.

Personally, I think Batman doesn't necessarily appreciate being reminded of his dead parents. But then again, he's essentially Captain Bringdown by this point.

Edit:

Or what BobDobolina said. That works, too.

 

[ElMinotoro]

It depends. I'm not a social justice warrior on tumblr and think a lot of the social justice stuff on tumblr is a race to the bottom to see who has it worst in the American suburbs, I think the GG started out as a smoke screen for the attacks on ZQ. And continued as such when you look at the constant refferal to SJW's and "muh-soggy-knee" and that they should keep the hell out of "our" games. I feel that if GG were a legitimate movement for journalistic ethics, there would be a much bigger push to say "All that stuff doesn't even matter in the context of journaistic ethics, being an SJW doesn't mean you're against GG". So in the context of GG and the escapist forums, I probably am an SJW.

As an aside, the g in misogyny is soft.

As a second aside: this whole affair, the conspiracy uncovered and the recent breaches in journalistic ethics? Incredibly small potatoes.

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

Ben Kuchera SHOULD be fired for what he did to Brad Wardell. One of the most disturbing things I've seen in a long while

You obviously missed the plethra of beheading videos we have had recently then.

OT: I have too much to worry about in my life to worry about, and work too long hours to put my free time into something like this. But it's a nice idea.

I'll continue to fight to keep Brits the right to treat eachother how they want.