WHITE GUY DEFENSE FORCE GO!

[madwarper]

Which he was told not to do by people actually qualified to handle such a thing. Not illegal, but really freaking stupid.

Did you even listen to the 911 tape?

He was asked where Martin was going, after he lost sight of him. So, he exited his vehicle to follow after him.
Then, when he was advised not to follow, and he stopped the attempted pursuit.

Complex chain of events? All he had to do was not follow him. End of conflict.

All Martin's father had to do is keep his home well stocked with snacks.
All Martin's mother had to do is not kick him out of her home after being suspended.
All Martin's school had to do is not suspend him for possessing a bag of pot residue.
All Martin's school's police officer had to do is not search him on suspicion of vandalizing school property.

See? I can lay blame on several people for not doing simple things that would have kept this conflict from having happened.

And, of course, all Martin had to do was enter his father's house when he got there, instead of circling back to attack Zimmerman.

People were already going off on a tangent about a one panel joke. It was off topic way before I got here. That or, it's still on topic sense it's part of the strip. However it works.

I was quoting the Code of Conduct.

Deliberately posting inflammatory comments falls under being a ... I can't say, because that's also prohibited by the CoC.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

...two sided and morally ambiguous are contradictions.

You're absolutely right good sir! I've amended my post to properly represent the many complex and completely reasonable stances people have on the issue of basic racial equality.

 

[The Wooster]

Staff don't want Featured Content threads locked, most likely because it contributes to ad revenue and helps pay the content contributors.

The mods would get in trouble for locking it down, and the staff aren't going to be back in until Monday.

So in the end it comes down to a double standard based around money-contributors and their content/threads make money our's don't so we are expendable.
*EXHALE*
Well that incredibly sad and disappointing I mean I always suspected but still so sad

You're starting to ask too many questions around here kid. People go missing 'round here for that.

Don't I know it and considering my health bar.......I think I'll be leaving now:

Spoiler

Why would the Escapist make any more money on featured threads over regular ones? Same amount of ads being shown, same amount of ads being seen.

 

[Shadowstar38]

All Martin's father had to do is keep his home well stocked with snacks.
All Martin's mother had to do is not kick him out of her home after being suspended.
All Martin's school had to do is not suspend him for possessing a bag of pot residue.
All Martin's school's police officer had to do is not search him on suspicion of vandalizing school property.

Pointless examples. Zimmerman's actions had a direct cause in the incident.

I was quoting the Code of Conduct.

Isn't that in and of itself going off topic?

 

[Broderick]

Why is Beta a brony? That shit still confounds me.

There is a stereotype that shows bronies as socially inept misogynistic man children, with small streak of racism on the side. I won't argue that the stereotype does describe someone out there, however it is far from the norm. I am a bit confused on why that specific character was a brony though; the stereotype usually focuses on the misogynistic part rather than the racist most of the time. Maybe it is because he specifically mentions "white, heterosexual males", which is a large part of the brony fandom. Eh...I got nothing; I am just throwing ideas out there.

 

[thenoblitt]

That comic was so incredibly racist, and filled with stereotyping. Yeah you show people with your hypocrisy. Yeah the comic should be more like this.

"If race doesn't matter, why isn't he a black guy?"

"Because race doesn't matter"


Problem solved, race doesn't matter, it doesn't matter if he is black or white, and you are stirring up race baiting, good job.

How is it racist when the voice of reason is a black immigrant?

Ever got the idea that racism isn't exclusive to white people?

So who am I being racist against? Is it just a knee-jerk reaction to yell 'racist' at anything you don't like?

No the white defense force is completely racist. That is stereotyping white people. The black guy has nothing to do with it, and guess what racism isnt a white only thing. Saying that only white people can be racist, is a statement that is racist in itself.

 

[Shadowstar38]

Why is Beta a brony? That shit still confounds me.

There is a stereotype that shows bronies as socially inept misogynistic man children, with small streak of racism on the side. I won't argue that stereotype does describe at someone out there, however it is far from the norm. I am a bit confused on why that specific character was a brony though; the stereotype usually focuses on the misogynistic part rather than the racist most of the time. Maybe it is because he specifically mentions "white, heterosexual males", which is a large part of the brony fandom. Eh...I got nothing; I am just throwing ideas out there.

The weird part is, the majority of bronies I've meet are gay or bi.

 

[madwarper]

Pointless examples.

Like I said, complex chain of events that puts any one person any where at any point in time.

Zimmerman's actions had a direct cause in the incident.

As were Martin's actions. They both have a hand in creating the conflict.

Isn't that in and of itself going off topic?

You openly admitted to violating the CoC. I'm pointing it out to you in hopes you won't repeat the same mistake again. I wouldn't want to see you get banned. This thread has more than enough causalities.

 

[Broderick]

Why is Beta a brony? That shit still confounds me.

There is a stereotype that shows bronies as socially inept misogynistic man children, with small streak of racism on the side. I won't argue that stereotype does describe at someone out there, however it is far from the norm. I am a bit confused on why that specific character was a brony though; the stereotype usually focuses on the misogynistic part rather than the racist most of the time. Maybe it is because he specifically mentions "white, heterosexual males", which is a large part of the brony fandom. Eh...I got nothing; I am just throwing ideas out there.

The weird part is, the majority of bronies I've meet are gay or bi.

I know right? Most of the bronies I know are actually women(that also happen to be gay or bi) so it is odd. hrm.

 

[thenoblitt]

...but Zimmerman isn't even White. Or am I missing a joke here?

You don't have to be Hispanic(though Zimmerman is partially Hispanic?) to murder a black guy who isn't holding a traditional weapon(a lawyer argued the sidewalk was a weapon [I'd say it was available to both of them if that was the case.]) is the point of that part.
Zimmerman ultimately killed someone who at best was winning a hand-to-hand fight and then decides to shot to kill first chance he gets. The fact that no one else is a direct physical witness to the conversation before the fighting or during taking the only version of events of the "victor" shouldn't immediately be considered truth or fact.

There's a saying that goes: History is written by the Victors. If that's you making yourself out to be the hero is a pretty sweet deal if you can "quiet" any evidence to the contrary.

There was a teenage boy that saw the whole thing who said everything zimmerman said was true. Listen to the phone calls, zimmerman approached trayvon, trayvon ran, came back and said now you got a problem then attacked him, held him down mma style and tried to grab his gun, yes trying to grab someones holstered gun is enough reason to believe they are trying to kill you. You are completely ignorant and did not follow the case at all, you are just following this tumblr of the week race baiting new bullshit.

 

[Vegosiux]

1000 posts and 30 pages, you guys are terrible people nice work guys! Next time I want to show people how the internet debates controversial, multi-sided, morally ambiguous issues like basic racial equality I'll direct people to this thread.

Well, luckily we have the shine of paragons like you from the ivory spires, unreachable by common peasants, yet a clear sign that it is worth fighting for the internet, if only for the sake of the oh-so-scare morally and intelectually superior individuals, looking down upon the cesspit that is the rest of the internet, as an angel chorus sounds.

It's good to see there are still people who have their head on their shoulders (for whatever reason that might be).

...

Yeah, I've been up too long again, and I've got a fever. I think I'll show myself out and get some sleep instead of making a fool of myself now.

 

[thenoblitt]

Staff don't want Featured Content threads locked, most likely because it contributes to ad revenue and helps pay the content contributors.

The mods would get in trouble for locking it down, and the staff aren't going to be back in until Monday.

So in the end it comes down to a double standard based around money-contributors and their content/threads make money our's don't so we are expendable.
*EXHALE*
Well that incredibly sad and disappointing I mean I always suspected but still so sad

You're starting to ask too many questions around here kid. People go missing 'round here for that.

Don't I know it and considering my health bar.......I think I'll be leaving now:

Spoiler

Why would the Escapist make any more money on featured threads over regular ones? Same amount of ads being shown, same amount of ads being seen.

When there is content made by the site, their are going to be more people flocking to it.

 

[Caiphus]

When there is content made by the site, their are going to be more people flocking to it.

To be fair, the same could be said of any forum topic that is likely to devolve into a flamewar. And those are the most likely to be locked.

 

[DjinnFor]

You don't find it funny? Well that is because its making fun of you, and it couldn't be any more blatant about it. The rest of us seem to think its hilarious.

Whoa now; I didn't find this funny. So it's making fun of me, you say? You mean this joke is meant to be a parody of me, specifically?

Because then it's just sad and pathetic, really. I could find the humor in it when it was making a goofy caricature of a non-existent entity, or perhaps a cynical reflection of a distant reality. As long as it wasn't pretending to represent me, that's okay. But to think that people are conflating the absurdism in the comic with myself...?

Please, tell me, enlightened one: tell me what exactly what this is parodying about me? Tell me, please.

 

[Ishal]

You don't find it funny? Well that is because its making fun of you, and it couldn't be any more blatant about it. The rest of us seem to think its hilarious.

Whoa now; I didn't find this funny. So it's making fun of me, you say? You mean this joke is meant to be a parody of me, specifically?

Because then it's just sad and pathetic, really. I could find the humor in it when it was making a goofy caricature of a non-existent entity, or perhaps a cynical reflection of a distant reality. As long as it wasn't pretending to represent me, that's okay. But to think that people are conflating the absurdism in the comic with myself...?

Please, tell me, enlightened one: tell me what exactly what this is parodying about me? Tell me, please.

You tell me, are you offended? Are any of those caricatures representations of you? The qualities shown in that strip are ones of a very small subset of white heterosexual males who legitimately hold the types of views they are mocking. Many posters here hold those views, and its likely they among others are the reason this strip was made in the first place. Unsurprisingly, they don't seem to find it funny, the poor souls. Wait.. just like you don't find it funny. Hmmm

 

[Sellon88]

Looking at all the post about there being a shitstorm and having none that have come up, as well as some people giving the comic great praise I say this is a fine example on how we've changed on talking about very charged topics, and it's nice we can have something like this not be shitstormed.

 

[Vegosiux]

Nope. The biggest draw to these strips is the comments. I knew this would be like poking a hornets nest, and look at it. Glorious. Simply glorious. It's the same people who always comment and argue in the gender issues and feminism threads. The same people who argue over it, gain no ground, and change nothing. Though some would say they make the forums worse by making it so other topics (potentially more fun, lighthearted ones, are eclipsed) and they may have point. After a while of perusing the topics due to my own masochistic tendencies, certain names/avatars start to stick. One of them got banned in this thread and more might well be on their way. Not bad.

The funniest part? For all the claiming that this is troll/flame bait, its those same people who comment again and again and make this thing go over 1000 posts. What's rule number 1 about trolls again? Oh... right...

See, some posters seem to think Grey is laughing at this and admiring his handy work. Dry washing his hands plotting evil schemes about he can make another one of these to incite flame wars. If he is indeed doing that, it because some of these posters have given him a reason to.

You're right, friend. Come, let us gaze at these peasants from above, and nod to each other while we gaze at our navels, contemplating the truths of the universe they are too puny and feeble to comprehend. They do not actually deserve to be graced by our presence, of course, they're much too lowly and ignorant for that, but someone needs to, in a very roundabout and self-gratifying way, tell them, how they are but mere worms, there for our amusement, and how their efforts to ascend to a higher level of intellectualism will be forever vain and hopeless.

It's a dirty task, indeed, for one needs to associate with these lesser creatures in order to relay the message to them that they are, indeed, lesser, and that greater beings take great pleasure and amusement in watching them squirm. A dirty task, but someone has to do it, and the sacrifices will not be forgotten. But please, we dally too long. We should take our leave, lest we get assimilated.

(Yes, I've been awake for 36 hours and counting, and insomnia is still going strong. AND THIS ISN'T WORKING; EITHER, so I think I need to resort to a documentary about turtles playing on half speed or something)[footnote]Still working on exploiting the "If you're upset at what I'm saying, you're proving me right" line of logic to take over the world, but my fortress of doom is still not completed so I needed to reschedule.[/footnote]

 

[Evil Smurf]

I love this strip so much. I want this on a shirt.

 

[JonB]

Hi, Staff here-

Well that a crummy system-If your going to lock systems you should be consistent on what you lock.
*SIGH*
But the Escapist has always had a bad case of double standard when it comes to contributors compared to the average Escapist user.
*SHRUG*
Still at least we get to watch a fun shit storm so I guess that's a bonus I suppose.
*Chews Popcorn*

We consistently don't lock featured content threads. That's consistency.

We consistently ask that the contributors don't break the forum rules in the forums. That's consistency. You'll note that [user]Grey Carter[/user] has been contributing to this thread, not breaking the rules, for some pages now.

Staff don't want Featured Content threads locked, most likely because it contributes to ad revenue and helps pay the content contributors.

The mods would get in trouble for locking it down, and the staff aren't going to be back in until Monday.

So in the end it comes down to a double standard based around money-contributors and their content/threads make money our's don't so we are expendable.
*EXHALE*
Well that incredibly sad and disappointing I mean I always suspected but still so sad

This is sort of paranoid and weird, folks! Featured content threads are our official commentary. They need to have a life a long time after the piece of content is gone. We don't think it's fair to take that away from users, therefore we don't let them get locked. That's the reason.

Here's a little more depth:
Yeah, they're held to a different standard than regular forum threads. That's how this works. Regular forum threads aren't attached to a piece of content on the site with a years-long lifespan. They can go away, and that's fine. It's disingenuous of us and unfair to you all if we take away the way you have of commenting on our work. We can stipulate how you do it, fine, and ask that you be constructive, sure, but taking away your avenue of speech here isn't something we think is fair.

All of this is to say, that this is precisely why the mods keep sprinkling in posts about how they're just going to warn you for breaking the rules in this thread. That post remind you that nobody's going to say "Whoa! too bad! I'll just lock this thread and hand out a last few warnings." Those posts are really polite. Hell, I made one for you on the first page. That is a special kind of courtesy.

Any other questions?

Spoiler

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[olza]

Oh look.
stereotypical white males are apparently murderers and racists.
Oh, and lets use an innocent man as a term for murder!
OH! AND LETS ALIENATE ALL THE GUYS THAT JUST WANT TO READ FUNNY VIDEOGAME COMICS!

For fucks sake, man. I'm sick of this shit.