WHITE GUY DEFENSE FORCE GO!

[adamtm]

The author bites his own hands.

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It's par for the course with Critical Miss really.
What did you expect? Insightful social commentary?

 

[Something Amyss]

Explain how it has no bearing. The comic used stereotypes and mocking imagery. You are arguing they did it to point out that doing that is not okay, especially when you turn around and complain about people doing that to you.

Explain how it has bearing. "It uses stereotypes and mocking imagery" doesn't make your case. But if your explanation is as dishonest as you putting words in my mouth, then I'm out of here anyway. So if you're seriously about the discussion you're claiming is absent, choose your words carefully.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

And yet, "people can't take a fucking joke" is NOT okay when used to defend a form of insult you DON'T like.

I'm not entirely sure what this means.

Halp? Someone?

He means that if you say something racist or sexist "it's just a joke" isn't a defense. Because apparently belittling someone for their race and belittling someone for holding ridiculous, outdated beliefs that have no place in contemporary society are the same. It's the whole "if you dislike prejudice then you shouldn't be prejudiced against people who are prejudiced" or "shut up and let me be racist in peace" argument.

But...

But making fun of racists and sexists is fun...

Don't take that away from me T-T

 

[Mcupobob]

This is lazy. This is masturbation.

I thought this was Sparta.

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OT: I got a good chuckle, disagree with most of it but thought it funny.

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

I don't care.

And this is exactly the problem.

So few people care anymore. Even a little bit of empathy and respect for others apparently requires too much effort, because somehow being on the internet is a free pass to abandon our common humanity.

Abandoning common humanity.... you know, like going through threads and calling people out on their character traits.

Daystar is a nice, light hearted guy, whose popularity is born of his temperament and charisma. In real life he is exactly the same, a pleasure to talk to and a good laugh. He doesn't act any differently when you speak to him through a computer or more traditional means without anonymity.

Tell me, when you are in a pub, say, and you overhear someone you have never met say a joke about something that is going on in the news on the wall and you didn't like that joke, do you call them out, tell them they are bad, and then character assassinate them? Of course not, because that would be a horrible thing to do. You accept that people have differing opinions and react to things in different ways, and you get on with your life. Yet, on here, you do just that, and then make exasperated comments about how people act differently online.

Kinda hypocritical ain't it?

 

[Daystar Clarion]

*Snip*

So why are you still here?

If there's one thing worse than what you accuse this place of being, is sticking around just to tell everyone how mean they are and how they need to take people's feelings into account.

Nah, I agree with Maiev, and you're pretty much the worst of it Daystar. You're probably the single most active poster on the entire forum, but I can't remember a single opinion you hold (other than you like Okami, I suppose). You're as low impact as posters come and quite frankly rather dull, which is how you keep going for so long.

I love you too.

snip

Yes, it's a facade, I'm so terribly, terribly depressed, thank you, thank you for opening my eyes. Why, this may very well be the beginning of something new for me!

I'm going to do it! I'll start volunteering at the homeless shelter, start donating money to charity!


Or, you know, none of that ¬_¬

You don't like something? That's fine, you don't like it, not worries.

What does raise questions is why do you care? Other than trying show people the 'error' of their ways in some pseudo-antagonistic fashion?

You can think that all you want, but I never think I'm better than anyone.

I mock myself as much as I mock others, so I don't really give a shit if you think I'm being condescending.

It's not a matter of what I think, it's a matter of how you behave.

Mockery is condescending by default. You might be self-deprecating as well but you're not displaying that behavior here, so it really doesn't change your condescension in any way.

That may be the case, but thankfully, I don't particularly care what strangers on the internet think of me, I don't know you, so I don't care.

I care because I thought this was a place for discussion. What I found was a cleverly disguised 4chan. All the hate is there. All the stereotyping. All the memes. Only the targets are different. Nothing is gained. No progress is made. No topic is argued and no points are made. This forum has become a stagnant mess where discussion goes to die, paraded on by faux humor and a tissue thin disguise.

But apparently no one cares.

So why are you still here?

If there's one thing worse than what you accuse this place of being, is sticking around just to tell everyone how mean they are and how they need to take people's feelings into account.

Read what you just wrote. Now use that in a reply to someone complaining about gender representation in a video game. Don't try to improve or change something! If it's not for you, it's not for you. Leave.

Oh but that's different. Because you're allowed to say it. That's how it works. This is totally different.

Oh, I like to discuss change in important things, gender representation is a very important issues.

This isn't one of them.

Your feelings aren't one of them.

"Your feeling don't matter. I'm not going to discuss this issue that offends you."

I hope you never, ever enter into a discussion wherein a group such as women or homosexuals or transsexuals is being mocked. Because remember, your feelings aren't important. Get over it, right?

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You (the royal you, not you) are right. "They" are wrong. Make fun of them. Ignore their points. They don't matter. But they sure as shit better not do the same! Or else they are clearly trolls or assholes.

The issue matters.

Your feelings do not. Your feelings on the matter don't interest me in the slightest, only the facts. Can't present an opinion that isn't mired in hyperbole? Then I have no reason to care.

Of course feelings don't matter. That's why it's okay to make fun of black people and call them racists slurs.

You don't get to have your cake and eat it to. You don't get to claim it's different when you do it. You don't get to try and move the goal post to suit your moment to moment actions.

People's emotions and feelings matter. If you don't think so, never again can you ever defend someone being upset by any form of slur. You can't argue that has anything to do with "facts."

Making fun of racists and sexists isn't the same as actually being racist and sexist.

Crazy I know.

 

[Rip Van Rabbit]

This comic gave me a good ol' laugh, but this thread...five pages in, this just the icing on the cake

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This isn't on topic, but I'm having a really shitty day and that gif is the first thing to bring a smile to my face.

Intentional or not, thanks for that.

I found it downright adorable, but hey, if I can use the smallest pooper-scooper on someone else's crappy day, then I'm happy to help.

 

[quenlinlom]

It's par for the course with Critical Miss really.
What did you expect? Insightful social commentary?

I expect someone who's pointing out racism to not be a racist herself.

Because believe it or not white isn't the default setting for humanity.

Of course I know that. The comic is deliberately making a point by setting that character as a black man, though. It's all appropriation.

 

[Something Amyss]

The author bites his own hands.

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Except, you know, the character is responding to someone in the first place, and actually goes on to explain the point.

 

[Abomination]

The author bites his own hands.

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Oh my God.

You are actually a fucking idiot.

My brain is actually leaking from how stupid you are.

I present to everyone the supposed correct way to engage in conversation with someone you have an opposing viewpoint to.

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Yay white knights!

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"Meow. That's right"

That's fantastic. Far funnier than anything in the original... He even almost looks like he has cat ears.

 

[Something Amyss]

You argue that the point of the comic is to highlight that mocking people is not okay, especially when you complain when people do it to you.

No, I did not. I merely argued that the comic was "sauce for the gander."

I see you can't avoid misrepresenting me even once. I also see you can't make an affirmative argument for bearing.

So, given that, I'm out.

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

I present to everyone the supposed correct way to engage in conversation with someone you have an opposing viewpoint to.

What are you suggesting? That it might be better to include relevant content, rather than just being snide and acting superior?

Abomination, your views are an abomination. Get this radical shit outta my interwebz.

 

[jokulhaups]

There's no telling who would've gotten hurt if he got his hands on his race card.

 

[Ipsen]

This...

This...Is a wonderful birthday gift!

Thank you Cory and Grey!

 

[Megacherv]

That man is not fit to hold a Twilight Sparkle plushie.

He's not fit full stop.

 

[Abomination]

I present to everyone the supposed correct way to engage in conversation with someone you have an opposing viewpoint to.

Engaging in a civil manner with people like that is like trying to solve a problem with your lawnmower by stopping the blade with your hand.

Impractical.

I mean, being a hypocrite is clearly the best way to resolve any problem.

But it's okay, right? Because he's (supposedly) racist for adopting a Socratic stance on an issue.

 

[Calibanbutcher]

And yet, "people can't take a fucking joke" is NOT okay when used to defend a form of insult you DON'T like.

I'm not entirely sure what this means.

Halp? Someone?

"People who use this defense are rarely able to appreciate jokes that target themselves" I think.


Also Daystar, you might wanna abandon this thread, it's not worth debating here.

 

[itsthesheppy]

This comic was glorious. Maybe the best one they've done yet.

It made me euphoric.

And that's speaking as an atheist brony who frequents video game message boards.

But I will never wear a fedora.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Oh fuck it. I give up. Do whatever you want. Your're right and I'm wrong.

I'm glad we finally agree on this topic

So, given that, I'm out.

Zachy! ZACHY!

Wait, I'm coming with you.

[HEADING=1]ZACHY WAIT![/HEADING]

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And yet, "people can't take a fucking joke" is NOT okay when used to defend a form of insult you DON'T like.

I'm not entirely sure what this means.

Halp? Someone?

"People who use this defense are rarely able to appreciate jokes that target themselves" I think.


Also Daystar, you might wanna abandon this thread, it's not worth debating here.

Cali-bear, come with me if you want to live!