Who are the bad guys in The Elder Scrolls?
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Lets not forget that the Black Marsh (Argonians) invaded Morrowind, right after their country was crippled by a Volcanic eruption, and the Nords and the Orcs were attacking before that. Every race seems to have it's 'bad guys' stages.
Given that all of the Elder Scrolls antagonists wanted to destroy or take over the world, they are all pretty close on the evil scale. Dragons are starting to get annoying with their random attacks, so I'll say them.
I actually would put more emphasis on teh shades of grey idea, as it is the epitome of human nature. It is difficult to discount the non-human races in ES as being non-human at all, considering that the entire game was in fact designed by humans.
Even the non-human races have human traits, and so each race is meant to personify a different aspect of humanity. This isn't limited to ES, either, you can find it in any fantasy gaem with multiple races.
With this in mind, it opens up teh possibility for any one of the races to be "the good/bad guys". It's a matter of perspective. Let's take another example: the movies The Scorpion King and Teh Mummy Returns. In The Mummy Returns, we see the Scorion King as some sort of malefic monster that, while not being the primary antagonistic force, is certainly not out to save the world. However, in the film The Scorpion King, he is indeed the main character and would be considered the good guy.
You see, it's all a matter of who's stick is bigger (take that anyway you want, it all means the same), and who is the current story's main focus.
For more examples, look into the inevitably terrible sequel to 300 that is in the works, which will have Xerxes as the protagonist.
Even the non-human races have human traits, and so each race is meant to personify a different aspect of humanity. This isn't limited to ES, either, you can find it in any fantasy gaem with multiple races.
With this in mind, it opens up teh possibility for any one of the races to be "the good/bad guys". It's a matter of perspective. Let's take another example: the movies The Scorpion King and Teh Mummy Returns. In The Mummy Returns, we see the Scorion King as some sort of malefic monster that, while not being the primary antagonistic force, is certainly not out to save the world. However, in the film The Scorpion King, he is indeed the main character and would be considered the good guy.
You see, it's all a matter of who's stick is bigger (take that anyway you want, it all means the same), and who is the current story's main focus.
For more examples, look into the inevitably terrible sequel to 300 that is in the works, which will have Xerxes as the protagonist.
As I go through skyrim, by the time I got to a mission to sneak by some thalmore, I was so sick of their pompous attitude I forsook sneak for fire-balling, shouting, slashing frenzy.
At this point I think yeah, thalmore. >.>
That being said, I really like that every race has incredibly varied characters and they don't fall into "the snobby elf, the arrogant human, the shifty cats, and the sniveling lizards" or whatever. They all have individuals that are all different (mostly)
At this point I think yeah, thalmore. >.>
That being said, I really like that every race has incredibly varied characters and they don't fall into "the snobby elf, the arrogant human, the shifty cats, and the sniveling lizards" or whatever. They all have individuals that are all different (mostly)
I didn't say they weren't provoked, but they could've been a 'good guy' race, and of offered aid to the Dumner, guiding the way towards many hundreds of years of peace.imnotparanoid said:
When I first came into Skyrim, I was sure that the empire was going to be the "bad guy" and the rebel stormcloaks would be the equivalent of the alliance from star wars (i.e. stereotypical good guy underdogs). Boy was I wrong. Ulfric is a fucking narcissistic, egomaniacal douche with a nord-supremacist worldview. I play stormcloaks with my evil assassin characters because of this 
You. The player. You're the bad guy. You wander around, killing whatever is in your way or has the gall to have preservation instinct or own territory. You steal whatever isn't bolted to the ground, except (if you're roleplaying a "good" character) things that are specifically labeled "not yours". Killing one dragon because it attacked you is heroic, killing all of them because one attacked you is racism.
RPG heroes are dicks.
heh.
RPG heroes are dicks.
heh.
I think the overall villains would be the Thalmor. I think one the games will involve an all out war with the empire and the Aldmeri Dominion.
there 2 main races, humans and elfs, all of them fall into the 2, orcs are elfs, the biggest dicks are high elfs, think of them as nazis, and the rest as jews, that how high elfs see the world. btw, not a exaggeration, at one point the high elfs had every one else enslaved and enjoy wiping out hole tribes of other elfs for shits and giggles.
everyone who isn't an Argonian is evil... they simply don't have the good lizard sense required to be a decent upstanding citizen.
anyone who disagrees raise your scaled tail.
no one? then we all agree.
anyone who disagrees raise your scaled tail.
no one? then we all agree.
Well if you play as a Khajiit or an Argonian or, to a lesser extent, an orc or dunmer, the Nords can be complete racist dicks to you. But then again, aldmer and sometimes bosmer are racist dicks to everyone.
Hmm...
Hmm...