Molag bal, he is the king of rape and father of vampires! Mehrunes Dagon is a daedra who wants to destroy everything, true. But Molag Bal is a daedra who wants to torture you.
Who are the bad guys in The Elder Scrolls?
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The only steady villains that I can think of are the Aldmari Dominion, though they always seem to take a back seat to the main villain of each game (if they're shown much at all).
It seems to change from game to game. In Morrowind it was Dagoth Ur, in Oblivion it was Mankar Cameron and to a lesser extent Mehrunes(SP?) Dagon, in Arena, Daggerfall, and Skyrim, I don't know I haven't played those ones.
Shit, you're right. I was referring to the elves of Sommerset Isle (whatever they were called).pffh said:
I wouldn't say Imperials are 'evil'. In fact, i would go so far as to say the Empire isn't evil, either. It has some heavy handed principles, but it's all for the good of the Empire as a whole. You might have some issues such as cultural imperialism - being forced to worship the Nine Divines and whatnot - but do you not get cultural imperialism with any number of races, creeds and cultures when there is a veritable melting pot? Let's face it, Tamriel is a pretty mixed place. Playing Oblivion, you could clearly see some towns that had a strong Nordic influence, or down south where it had a strong Argonian influence - the point being that they were in Imperial lands, but they still brought their culture and affected the citizenry in such a way that the very town itself reflects that. The Empire provides some semblence of order, which is the sort of thing you need when a simple trip out of town could have you set upon by vicious animals, bandits or madmen. Frankly, the Empire are the only ones keeping a civilised and united nation despite all these external threats - and that's not to mention internal ones like the conniving Dark Brotherhood and wily Thieves Guild.
I wouldn't say there is any one race or even group that you could point at as the archetypal 'bad guys'. Everyone has their motive; it's just about to what degree you sympathise with it. Particularly when it's in contrast to conflicting groups. I was very embroiled in House Hlaalu on Morrowind, for example, but i could plainly see the shady things they got up to. It doesn't make them bad guys, it simply makes them non-archetypal. I suppose the closest we've got to genuinely evil is the Mythic Dawn, although i would argue that they were simply a group of terribly misguided individuals rather than being inherently 'evil'.
I wouldn't say there is any one race or even group that you could point at as the archetypal 'bad guys'. Everyone has their motive; it's just about to what degree you sympathise with it. Particularly when it's in contrast to conflicting groups. I was very embroiled in House Hlaalu on Morrowind, for example, but i could plainly see the shady things they got up to. It doesn't make them bad guys, it simply makes them non-archetypal. I suppose the closest we've got to genuinely evil is the Mythic Dawn, although i would argue that they were simply a group of terribly misguided individuals rather than being inherently 'evil'.
The only black/white bad guys, are the people who are set up as the bad guys from the get go. Mehrunes Dagon and the Mythic Dawn in Oblivion, for example. Nothing these guys do, is good. There is that one guy you meet in Paradise that seems ok, but I wouldn't count him as part of the cult.
Besides that, the only other "bad guys" are just people who are dicks. This may be high elves, the Dominion, the Imperials, or Ulfrid, it is up to you. The ES games are good at throwing in moral choice, and--in Skyrim especially--the people you thought were the bad guys, may not seem so bad after all.
Besides that, the only other "bad guys" are just people who are dicks. This may be high elves, the Dominion, the Imperials, or Ulfrid, it is up to you. The ES games are good at throwing in moral choice, and--in Skyrim especially--the people you thought were the bad guys, may not seem so bad after all.
Was it really "Altmer"? I was looking for some nation name. Anyway, as far as I can tell they opposed the Imperials, who seems to be set as the protagonist group. It's not that they're dicks, it's that they're the only legitimate anti-protagonist.pffh said:
Yup the Altmer are from the Sommerset Isles. Originally it was the Aldmer but they spread throughout Tamriel and become the Bosmer, the Dwemer, the Falmer, the Aylied, the Maormer, the chimer (who later became the Dunmer), the Orsimer (Orcs) and mixed with the Nede in high rock to become the Manmer (Bretons) and the ones who stayed in Sommerset became the Altmer.gigastrike said:
I rather like working for daedric princes. Their disdain and desire for fucking with us make for a nice change of pace from the usual fantasy quest where everyone is grateful and all that bullshit.
In all reality, I'm not a fan of the Empire, simply because they call themselves the empire, but that comes from watching too much Star Wars as a kid. Truth be told, in Skyrim, I think they would function better without the empire.
In all reality, I'm not a fan of the Empire, simply because they call themselves the empire, but that comes from watching too much Star Wars as a kid. Truth be told, in Skyrim, I think they would function better without the empire.
I'm going with the Thalmor too. I've hated them since the first time I saw three of them with that prisoner. Who the fuck do they think they are banning Talos. I freed the prisoner, if you were wondering.
What's people's opinion on the Forsaken? What about them blind alien looking dudes? Does anyone have any back story on them? They're spread out pretty far but I don't exactly know who they are.
What's people's opinion on the Forsaken? What about them blind alien looking dudes? Does anyone have any back story on them? They're spread out pretty far but I don't exactly know who they are.
There is no antagonist race, simply antagonist groups. The Thalmor come to mind as the most recent group of evildoers. Before them, it was Mehrunes Dagon and the Mythic Dawn. And I haven't completed the main stories of any other TES games, so I can't comment on them.
Blind dudes: You mean the Falmer? They along with the Aldmer are the original inhabitants of Skyrim slaughtered by the Nords and driven underground where they allied with the Dwemer. The dwemer then enslaved them and we don't know what happened next but they became twisted either through dwemer torture or by living for centuries underground in trap filled and empty dwemer ruins.F4LL3N said:
The forsworn are tribal people with Breton ancestry that settled in Skyrim before the Nords and like the Falmer were driven out of their cities and slaughtered.
Well Mehrunes Dagon was a dick in Oblivion for no apparent reason. He just wanted to destroy stuff and defeat the Septim bloodline for shits and giggles it appears, and uses Mankar to do it for him.
Well he is the daedric god of destruction and more importantly change. You see in his home plane of oblivion he can't change anything or destroy anything permanently so after being blue balled for a few hundred millenia he decided he wanted some sweet mundus action and thus we have the oblivion crisis.ChupathingyX said:
Don't get me wrong he's still a dick but it's kinda hard to fight against what is essentially your very being and the only reason for your existence. The daedric gods are more like forces of nature then beings of free will.