Who buys shooters for single player?

M-E-D The Poet

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Midgeamoo said:
Ok so after reading the amount of pure bullshit written in the last few zero punctuation threads for the shooters hes reviewed, I'm taken aback by the amount of people that think shooters have anything new to add to the single play gaming.

Before I start ranting I'm not talking about games such as Deus Ex or Bullestorm, that were designed FOR single player and should have to bring something unique to the campaign aspect of things, but more the "generic shooters" that everybody seems to think it's cool to hate on lately.

I understand a lot of people don't like multiplayer, and so want a good single experience for their £40, but realise that this is the other way round for a lot of people, including myself, who are looking for multiplayer in their games, and single player is just an 'extra'. Please don't give my Yahtzee's "it has to stand up on it's single player" crap because it doesn't, what would people who are looking for a multiplayer focused game do if every game was focused around single player?

Let's use Gears of War 3 as an example, since this was the last one that everybody has been slating. I've been playing gears since gears of war 1, and at least 95% of my time on gears has been on the multiplayer, because it's one of the few shooters that is non noob friendly, requires a while to gain skill at and continues to be challenging, you actually have to be good to do well. Do I give much of a shit about it's story? Not really, it was good for one playthrough but I left it there, then went back to multiplayer (for gears 1,2 and 3), because it's always fun and challenging to play (it's a shame only gears 3 has dedicated servers though, 1 and 2 had horrible lag problems). Despite this game being thought of as mainstream, it's multiplayer is actually the opposite, not many "casual" gamers will enjoy it because they wont put the time in to get good at it, don't understand how this can be considered as mainstream as other, more noob friendly shooters.

It really seems pointless to me for people who like single player games, to buy something that isn't intended to be focused around it's single player and then MOAN about how unoriginal it is, go buy something like Deus Ex, Mass Effect, Oblivion etc for something that will give you your moneys worth in single player, and let us multiplayer fans enjoy the stuff you call mainstream, like Halo or GoW.

TL;DR (lazy bugger): If you wasted your £40 on a modern shooter for it's single player, you're just wasting money. Either rent it or buy it if you're willing to give the multiplayer a shot, not buy it, play the campaign and ASSUME that that is all the game has to offer, then QQ about how unoriginal and mainstream it is.

Before slating something, please take multiplayer into account. [/rant]
Your thread title and OP do not correspond

So to your OP I shall say this : You have valid points, especially the one about some games being more multiplayer focused

To your thread title: ME , I do, It's my fucking choice, and no I don't buy COD or something, I buy games like gears of war or killing floor because I like shooting, although gameplay like deus ex makes it more thrilling for me, sometimes I just want to go around meaninglessly popping as many headshots as I can.
 

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I buy more or less all games for single player. If it got good multiplayer; cool. But I'd rather take a great game with no multiplayer than a good game with multiplayer.
 

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Well they kind of do, yeah. I mean I don't have Xbox Live for a while and it hasn't bothered me at all; the arbitrary nature of multiplayer really gets on my nerves... Halo, Gears of War, COD, it doesn't matter: I always end up emptying entire clips into my enemy, only for them to turn around and go 'nope' and kill me in a single shot. It pisses me off, and yeah, it may be because I'm bad, but sorry, I have a life and don't have time to practice for hours on end. And besides, shooter multiplayer groups are nearly always entirely populated by the same kind of people (e.g. douchebags), so I tend to avoid them. Truth be told, I only bought WaW for Nazi Zombies, and the only reason I got sick of that was because people are shit.
That, and being paired with squeaky eleven-year-olds in a zombie scenario kind of ruins the atmosphere for me.
 

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You really need to set up a poll for this thing.

The thing is, if you're going to include a single-player mode for a game, it better be damn good. As Shamus Young said, "Why hire a master chef to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich?" Please refer to here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/experienced-points/7025-Experienced-Points-Million-Dollar-Actor-Five-Dollar-Writer].
 

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Midgeamoo said:
Guy Jackson said:
Until I got to that bit I didn't know what the point of your rant actually was.
That alright, some people have to have these things spelled out infront of them to understand them.
Guy Jackson said:
Buying a modern shooter for SP is a waste of money? That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. You sir/madam have failed the internet.
Did. Not. Say that.
You fail harder for misunderstanding what everybody else in this thread understood completely.
I'm saying £40 for a 5 hour campaign (the standard of a lot of multiplayer centred shooters) and just a 5 hour campaign IS a waste of money, especially if you're not one to replay the campaigns. A lot of modern shooters have really good campaigns, and I actually enjoyed a few of the ones that I'd normally only play for multiplayer.
I'm just saying a lot of the time you need to be a multiplayer fan to get your moneys worth with these games.
Understand now?
Er, actually, you did say that. It's in the quote.

Anyway, I am one to replay campaigns. £40 is a lot of money, so I choose my games wisely (i.e. wait until all the reviews are in and public opinion can be gauged) and as a result I'm extremely happy with my collection of FPS and TPS campaigns (with one or two exceptions) and I've replayed most of them many times.

That said, I have been suckered in once or twice. Notably, I bought COD4:MW for the SP campaign and it was shite. I only paid about £15 for it, but I still felt ripped off. The length (7 hours, I gather) wasn't an issue; I stopped playing due to boredom at around 5 hours in. So to come to what seems to be your point, would I be wrong to ***** about COD4:MW because its SP campaign is rubbish? I think not.
 

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For me games are all about the story. I don't care how balanced the multiplayer is or how many people can play in a match. Does the story intrigue me? If so then I will love the game. Good game mechanics are a plus because without them it is kind of hard to progress through the story but nothing new needs to be brought to the table to transfer an effective story.

The Halo series, Call of Duty series, Lost planet, Half Life, Rainbow Six. All of these games and series are great games in my mind because of the single player story, the great multiplayer is just icing on the cake. In contrast the Shadowrun video game failed to hold my attention because it was multiplayer only ....Ok, it kinda just sucked overall, bad example.
 

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I do, because I am getting tired of multiplayer in fps games, because of the douches that roam that realm. I've gotten to the point where I don't even buy games, and rent them off of Gamefly because the single player can only last so long.
 

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Except Tf2 I usually buy shooter and pretty much all the games for single player (unless my friends are playing MP) Cant remember last time I went "Hey this game willl have great MP i'm gona buy it!".
Neverhoodian said:
If developers don't have the time and/or resources to make a decent single player mode, then it should be axed entirely. Indeed, some of my all time favorite shooters have taken this route, such as Team Fortress 2 and Killing Floor. Conversely, if they're going to have a tacked-on multiplayer, then maybe they shouldn't bother with it in the first place.
Couldnt agree more.
 

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My two main reasons for disliking First Person Shooters that seem to have not payed too much attention to their campaign is for two reasons.

1) If you're going to have a game with multiplayer and an awful campaign mode, then why include and promote the campaign mode. In most of the First Person Shooter commercials and teasers I really only see clips from their Single Player campaign, saying how good it is, giving a preview of the story. When I see something like that, it makes it seem like actual effort went into the game, but when I actually play it, it has a horrible plot, bad characters, and just in full a bad experience.

2) If they're only selling a multiplayer game, then why do they charge $60-$70? Seriously, multiplayer through a game series doesn't really change too much from game to game. all that really changes are guns (Or in some cases gun-skins), maps, and technical things. You're really just paying for the same experience again, and again. The sensible thing would be to have some sort of DLC.

That actually brings me to another point; They essentially just release a new multiplayer mode every year or so. That means that in a year, the game you payed $60-$70 will be essentially useless because everyone will have moved on to the next one, and all you're stuck with is a crappy campaign mode.
 

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I plan on buying Battlefield 3 for the single player and have no intention of playing multiplayer. I believe that if the developers want to make a multiplayer focused game than they should not add a single player mode to it. The same applies to a single player focused game as well.
 

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Me. I buy them for single player. Admittedly, I don't buy many shooters. I don't like multiplayer. I don't have particularly high standards for shooter single player, I just expect the gameplay to be competent, interesting and entertaining.
 

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I actually do get games like CoD just for the single player campaigns. I get them way after they come out for not much money since the campaigns are pretty short, but I still think they're fun (basically no where in town to rent games anymore). I should probably try the multiplayer.

At any rate, I have to agree with what the original poster is saying. I guess it's misleading to have box art and advertisements talking about a single player campaign that ends up being 5 hours long and tacked on, but it's pretty damn easy to find out if that's the case before you buy a game.
 

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I'm really tempted to for the next MW. I'm kinda sick now about how Activision treats the CoD franchise and I'm not gonna' put up with the next version. Be it the scaled down less risky ideas compared to Black Ops, or the fact that it's gonna' be competitive and people who play that need to pay them 50$ on top of the game for the Elite service. But that aside, I may rent it just to follow the campaign, I've always enjoyed Soap and Price.
 

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Yeah, I play 'em for single player. Despite what cynical older gamers will tell you, modern shooters still tend to have decent single players, they just look pale in comparison to the more diverse multiplayer aspect.
 

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Alright, lets begin with shortening the arguments shall we?

Multiplayer: For this team, the argument is that theres tons of replay-value here, whereas Single-player replay-value tends to nosedive rather rapidly for them, theres more challenge, more fun in Multiplayer for this side

Single-player: IN THIS corner however the exact opposite is stated, many single-player gamers dislike Multiplayer, many of my friends i've talked to either love or hate (I rest in the middle but more on that in a minute) Multiplayer and prefer a game that advertises a solid single-player and/or co-operative single-player campaign to actually hold it's water in both department.


My argument: Alright (cracks his knuckles) lets begin, Right off the bat let me state that I love both single and multiplayer games TO A POINT,I played Medal of honor Spearhead (PC shooter) until the CD literally wouldnt run anymore online, I loved Halo Multiplayer, I loved COD: Modern Warfare 1 Multiplayer, and I even occasionally get on MAG (a PS3 MMO Shooter with RPG elements) still multiplayer wise. HOWEVER I prefer single-player more often than not.3/5s of my console and PC games are mostly for the singleplayer content. Now Midgeamoo's argument is that a game thats mostly multiplayer focused with a shoddy singleplayer content should advertise that it's singleplayer is indeed shit, now while I would appreciate such honesty from a gaming company I'll probably sooner see hell freeze over.

Several other members in the forum stated that if A games going to focus all efforts on one section why bother with the other? I agree with this, Lets look at each side of this argument, Oblivion and Morrowind, both games of the Elderscrolls genre, were considerd incredible in-depth strategy games with a absolutely massive modification community for both, Now lets take a look at Red Orchestra and Team fortress 2, Both of these games are equally popular in the gaming community, however both are (almost, with exception to RO's "practice" setting which pits you against AI players) Strictly Multiplayer based only, with rabid fans as far as the eye can see.

Now with both of these in mind, lets do a recap of what I've stated, Both are exclusive to either Multiplayer or Singleplayer, both have legions of die-hard fans, lets look in why I think each of these arguments both side's arguments have merit and have flaws shall we?

Multiplayer: Now the argument here is that Singleplayer tends to be incredibly boring for these players. Fair enough now lets look at a match of Team deathmatch or capture the flag on your typical shooter Multiplayer shall we?......huh....every players doing roughly the same thing as in singleplayer only on (typically) smaller or the same maps with even LESS things to do or going on. HOWEVER there will always be a challenge here as few players (outside of MP clans who train to play with similar strategies) play alike. Everyone thinks differently and so such interactions can last longer; HOWEVER just as another person stated earlier, eventually Multiplayer will lose it's rush, just as with....say Halo 2 for instance. Fewer and fewer people will play, until finally the servers are shut down and the multiplayers gone. Your XX dollars you spent for this game are now null and void, all those weeks/months/years you spent getting skilled at this game are now null and void as you cant play anything save local matches against the same people until even that becomes too repetitive.

Singleplayer: Alright, the field i'm a little more familiar with. Time to get cracking, the first argument for SP games is that many games are drifting away from singleplayer focus to focus on multiplayer games. This is true, the Call of Duty and Halo series (both revolutionary shooters from their singleplayer AND multiplayer content) were both incredibly popular in both aspects (although at the time Multiplayer was just getting it's momentum) However many multiplayer gamers consider Singleplayer games to be too repetitive. And sometimes I admittedly agree, after the 2nd or 3rd playthrough, most singleplayer games (short of Open End RPGs such as Fallout or Elderscrolls) have lost their value to me, HOWEVER. When a developer completely drops the ball on singleplayer (making it ridiculously generic or your just going through the motions about as much as you would in a Kung-fu dojo learning muscle-memory) then you've wasted your staff's time and the customer's time by producing absolute shit thats going to turn them away from wanting to risk buying a sequel (I know many of my buddies, as I said, both multiplayer and singleplayer gamers. Didnt bother buying Gears of war 3 if they were doing so for the campaign because the second game felt like the first one with a new voice-acting script save the worm scene).


The solution here: There is no clear-cut solution, the best we can do is do a few shots, agree to disagree that each side doesnt like the other's preference and deal with it, I'd love nothing more than to see rights for singleplayer-only/multiplayer-only/both purchases and have companies take the time to polish both out well. But as I also stated earlier we'll probably sooner see hell freeze over than game developers/publishers focus on the attentions of both equally and make a fine job of it.

TLDR; (well there goes an hour and a half of my life, hope your happy) Long story short, nut up or shut up, this is an argument thats going to drag on just as long as Communism vrs capitalism or Atheism versus religion etc. with either side whining the others wrong until one side keels over dead.

PS: I've been drinking quite a bit tonight so if my punctuation or spellings wrong I apologize, I'll try to make a mental note to fix any errors tommorrow if I can
 

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I do buy shooters solely for singleplayer campaign because I dislike competitive multiplayer. If the game has bots zone then I'd be playing that too for a while then replay the campaign on higher difficulties.
 

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Midgeamoo said:
Mark Hardigan said:
Midgeamoo said:
Mark Hardigan said:
Midgeamoo said:
Yup. If the multiplayer shines enough, I don't give a crap about the single player experience, it could be 5 hours of me hitting the right trigger and I wouldn't care because the multiplayer is amazing. Just read some reviews, watch videos of gameplay on youtube before spending your money to judge whether it's worth it, not expect that you spending money on their game means they need to stride to meet your tastes in both single player and multiplayer.

Would a nice shiny new car with a duff CD player ruin the whole thing and make it not worth it? Hardly.
So by your logic, if I gave you an amazing chocolate cake that was frosted with literal feces, it would still be a great cake for you?

You save your confusing logic for yourself. I myself demand that if something is included in a $60 game, it needs to be worth $60. If they don't want the game judged on the single player, then they shouldn't include the single player unless they are willing to make both single player and multiplayer equally good.
So a game with amazing multiplayer and a crap single player isn't worth $60.
But that same amazing multiplayer without the single player in at all is worth $60.

Talk about confusing logic.
Also stop embarrassing yourself by taking my examples that far that they sound ridiculous.
Saying that players have no right to complain when the game they buy has a crap single player is ridiculous.
Maybe, but it's their own fault for wasting their money on something that they would have known isn't for them if they spent 10-30 minutes checking the game out on reviews or youtube or something. It's people's decision to buy the game, not the games companies, they're just putting the shit out there, people can buy it if they think they will enjoy it, they don't deserve anything good, they try to buy the game that looks good for them.
If the developers know that the single player mode is going to be bad they should not advertise the single player or even have a single player mode in the game. A multiplayer focused game should just have multiplayer. A single player focused game should just have a single player mode. If the developers want to make a single player game and have multiplayer in it than they need to concentrate on one part at a time. Assassins Creed: Brotherhood is one of the games that gets the single player and the multiplayer right.
 

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Midgeamoo said:
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Congratulations, you have a preference. Well done, you are a valid human being. kudos on your achievement.

We care why?

You have to realise that A) the word of yahtzee is not law, in fact most of the time its bullshit (but entertaining bullshit and thats what matters) and B) The opinion of a critic is just that, an opinion, we all have opinions (you & me included), they are cheap and irrelevant to the reality of the industry. and finally C) Publishers milk the shit out of multiplayer games, you my friend are a cash cow, and whats more 10 excellent multiplayer games are not worth one good single player game in terms of quality of entertainment per hour played. Multiplayer is the soap opera of the video game world, and single player games are the feature films... and that is my opinion.