Guess you haven't seen one then. I don't think Marijuana should be illegal, that doesn't mean I smoke it, nor do I plan to. I'm an atheist (somewhat) too and I protect peoples belief in god or religion. To be frank I often argue things both ways, not for lack of opinion but because I actually think its important to see all sides of the picture instead of simply insisting that you're right and they're wrong. For me the defining attribute of a troll is ignorant posters who don't care to justify their opinion adaquately nor care to listen to others (examples if you care = "Halo sucks" "lol fag" etc, note that I don't much care provided they're somewhat justified). Perhaps I'm wrong but hey, that would just mean I can finally crawl back under my bridge without fear.danpascooch said:I'm a troll?Kurokami said:And now it gets personal because you're clearly either an ignorant moron or a troll, if a person defends a black man does it make him black? Jesus fucking Christ. I'd hate to have been anywhere near you around 1942. I've said several times that I purchase my games.danpascooch said:Lol, you admit to stealing, then make fun of the people you are stealing from. Excuse me if I don't think your moral outrage is justified.Kurokami said:You felt the need to wrongfully accuse me TWICE?danpascooch said:There are reviews and demos so that you can decide whether to buy a game, but you use pirating?Kurokami said:All that means is that you're luckier then me, or perhaps just better at choosing games, or have a lower standard.danpascooch said:You used the word "most" that's a big difference from "never ever has ONE not delivered"?Kurokami said:You've never expected anything from a game that didn't come even close to deliver? Spore? Borderlands? I wish I hadn't paid for the empty promises, I did though.danpascooch said:If you don't like it don't buy it, but don't assume all game companies are rolling in dough and don't care about their customers. If you care enough to pirate it, it's not shit, so your argument doesn't really make sense.Kurokami said:Yeah, we should reward most game developers for being so 'principled' and caring about the consumers as much as they *kaching* do. IMO pirating should be fine for the shitty games that come out, I'm so sick of the gaming industry smearing so much shit in between the already scarce gems out there.John Funk said:I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "ungrateful, self-entitled dicks," that's who.
Hmm. Wow, it's hard to believe that pirates would be this unprincipled. Man, it's almost like the rationalizations that pirates use for their behavior (DRM, price, etc) are actually just flimsy pretenses to get stuff for free. Can you possibly imagine that?!
An overreaction, sure... Hypocritical when you consider that only non-imaginative games are profitable because of pirating, sure... but I'm getting sick of rewarding people who seem to aim at disappointing me.
I think downloading games is fine so long as you pay for those who earn it, in a perfect world that is. It won't happen in reality.
Don't backpedal
For me it remains most.
I don't believe for a second that you go out and pay them if you pirated it and deemed it to be a great game, not someone like you.
There's an edit button next to the quotation on any post you write, I'm not saying this to be condescending or irritating, just helpful. Then again I suppose you could've been unaware that it was my post again that you quoted, or that you simply wanted to post twice.
Demo's aren't available for everything, and I still have some stupid faith in the gaming industry that makes me pre-order, particularly for collectibles for games I think are actually gonna be worth something.
Anyway, this discussion is over for me, enjoy.
You're the one spouting controversial nonsense, and now you just revealed you've been playing devil's advocate the whole time, because you're not even a pirate!
That's a freaking troll if I've ever seen one.
I'll let you get the last word in before I stop reading your blathering, it's obviously important to you, and I realize no matter what I say you still think game developers are horrifying leechers who are all incredibly rich, which is the probably the top ten dumbest things I've ever heard in the year I've used these forums.Kurokami said:Guess you haven't seen one then. I don't think Marijuana should be illegal, that doesn't mean I smoke it, nor do I plan to. I'm an atheist (somewhat) too and I protect peoples belief in god or religion. To be frank I often argue things both ways, not for lack of opinion but because I actually think its important to see all sides of the picture instead of simply insisting that you're right and they're wrong. For me the defining attribute of a troll is ignorant posters who don't care to justify their opinion adaquately nor care to listen to others (examples if you care = "Halo sucks" "lol fag" etc, note that I don't much care provided they're somewhat justified). Perhaps I'm wrong but hey, that would just mean I can finally crawl back under my bridge without fear.danpascooch said:I'm a troll?Kurokami said:And now it gets personal because you're clearly either an ignorant moron or a troll, if a person defends a black man does it make him black? Jesus fucking Christ. I'd hate to have been anywhere near you around 1942. I've said several times that I purchase my games.danpascooch said:Lol, you admit to stealing, then make fun of the people you are stealing from. Excuse me if I don't think your moral outrage is justified.Kurokami said:You felt the need to wrongfully accuse me TWICE?danpascooch said:There are reviews and demos so that you can decide whether to buy a game, but you use pirating?Kurokami said:All that means is that you're luckier then me, or perhaps just better at choosing games, or have a lower standard.danpascooch said:You used the word "most" that's a big difference from "never ever has ONE not delivered"?Kurokami said:You've never expected anything from a game that didn't come even close to deliver? Spore? Borderlands? I wish I hadn't paid for the empty promises, I did though.danpascooch said:If you don't like it don't buy it, but don't assume all game companies are rolling in dough and don't care about their customers. If you care enough to pirate it, it's not shit, so your argument doesn't really make sense.Kurokami said:Yeah, we should reward most game developers for being so 'principled' and caring about the consumers as much as they *kaching* do. IMO pirating should be fine for the shitty games that come out, I'm so sick of the gaming industry smearing so much shit in between the already scarce gems out there.John Funk said:I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "ungrateful, self-entitled dicks," that's who.
Hmm. Wow, it's hard to believe that pirates would be this unprincipled. Man, it's almost like the rationalizations that pirates use for their behavior (DRM, price, etc) are actually just flimsy pretenses to get stuff for free. Can you possibly imagine that?!
An overreaction, sure... Hypocritical when you consider that only non-imaginative games are profitable because of pirating, sure... but I'm getting sick of rewarding people who seem to aim at disappointing me.
I think downloading games is fine so long as you pay for those who earn it, in a perfect world that is. It won't happen in reality.
Don't backpedal
For me it remains most.
I don't believe for a second that you go out and pay them if you pirated it and deemed it to be a great game, not someone like you.
There's an edit button next to the quotation on any post you write, I'm not saying this to be condescending or irritating, just helpful. Then again I suppose you could've been unaware that it was my post again that you quoted, or that you simply wanted to post twice.
Demo's aren't available for everything, and I still have some stupid faith in the gaming industry that makes me pre-order, particularly for collectibles for games I think are actually gonna be worth something.
Anyway, this discussion is over for me, enjoy.
You're the one spouting controversial nonsense, and now you just revealed you've been playing devil's advocate the whole time, because you're not even a pirate!
That's a freaking troll if I've ever seen one.
Why should being the devils advocate change my argument anyway? Because your accusations didn't land? Really not too sure.
Not surprised its the dumbest thing you've heard, you're the one who said it.danpascooch said:I'll let you get the last word in before I stop reading your blathering, it's obviously important to you, and I realize no matter what I say you still think game developers are horrifying leechers who are all incredibly rich, which is the probably the top ten dumbest things I've ever heard in the year I've used these forums.Kurokami said:hopefully you won't find a reason to flame me for snipping these quotes
By the way, I'm going into Game Design and Development at the Rochester Institute of Technology this fall, I look forward to forcibly sucking all of your money away into my swirling gold rimmed vortex of game developer evil.
Let me quote you:Kurokami said:Not surprised its the dumbest thing you've heard, you're the one who said it.danpascooch said:I'll let you get the last word in before I stop reading your blathering, it's obviously important to you, and I realize no matter what I say you still think game developers are horrifying leechers who are all incredibly rich, which is the probably the top ten dumbest things I've ever heard in the year I've used these forums.Kurokami said:hopefully you won't find a reason to flame me for snipping these quotes
By the way, I'm going into Game Design and Development at the Rochester Institute of Technology this fall, I look forward to forcibly sucking all of your money away into my swirling gold rimmed vortex of game developer evil.
I have great respect for good games and their developers, the fact that I dislike games with no originality or thought put into them surprises you? If you're hoping to become a game developer than good luck to you. I hope you make some good games and then I will happily give you my money. If you make shit games however, I will be lumping you into the category of money snatchers/worthless grit, which I think is fair as you'd be judging me the same way, I'm sure.
In any case, thanks for enabling my procrastination till now. Next time try and reply to what people post instead of replying to your own made up nonsense. =]
(oh yeah, that smiley's gonna piss you off)
Seriously though, good luck in becoming a developer. These games I simply despise don't feel as though they're created by gamers.
Yeah, I can see the great respect there, funny, you didn't say anything about the game developer's quality in that quote, just "most" nor did you say that you respect good game developers.Yeah, we should reward most game developers for being so 'principled' and caring about the consumers as much as they *kaching* do.
If you'd like, you can PM me your email and I'll buy you a giftable code.Feylynn said:Well, I'm trying to pay for the bundle but none of the payment processors they offer will allow my to use prepaid credit cards and I have no other way of getting money on the Intarwabes. =(
It's not even like I can seek alternatives with only 4 hours left on the offer.
Not to say I'm going to pirate them, just trying to criticize their limited payment methods.
Seriously, give me a hat to throw the money in and I'll find some change.
Give me the ability to use a prepaid credit card and I'll give them a more substantial amount of money.
Leave me no payment method, I leave them no money.
Or maybe this is just seriously advanced cause and effect I'm scientififying right here and no one else got it. =/
I said that, gave all my money to the developers. I'm already doing enough for charity.TazTheTerrible said:Probably people without a credit card or people for who the method of purchase is otherwise difficult along with people simply too used to pirating shit. I doubt that it's really a case of "these poor, sad children aren't getting a penny of mine!" for most people.
You are right, i had to go back and redownload two games that got corrupted due to my wireless connection dropping during a thunderstorm ( i know awesome!)so that means i pirated the game on my second try? I donated good amount and since its a a charity i donated more than what all the games together would cost, around $20. I also got 2 of my friends to get it, while 2 other friends got me to buy it. I love these indie devs, i truly hope they atleast get their daily bread from the people that pay for their games, which are of course awesome. Anyway, if you havent donated, if you can only afford $5 bucks, just do it. My friend only had a few dollars in his account, donated $1 and later this week came back and donated another $15, because he is an iphone app developer and he knows how much work goes into this.GiantRedButton said:Note that only people with credit cards can purchase the bundle.
For some kids its simply easier to download it from somewhere else than steal there moms credit card, which are quite rare in some countries.
I'm sure there are some hard workarounds, but those are rather...hard.
More important, what a great deal, alot more interesting than the piracy discussion so thanks for that info
too
I'll try to buy it really hard, but note that i don't have a credit card. I'll edit the results.
Maybe the pirates had no other possible option then to pirate.
Edit: Up to now, no possibilty to buy the games. Has anyone an idea to cirumvent the creditcard requirement?
In germany 22.7% of people own a credit card, none of the in my family or me.
So i can't pay for it even if i wan't to.
I guess thats the reason then, the pirates CAN'T buy the bundle, they aren't cheapskates.
Also, in this statistic, if your download stops and you restart the download, you count as a pirate.
They have a ftp server, no donation required.
The just compared the number of downloads with the donations, downloads being 25% higher.
So: (edit)
If you internet connection dies and you redownload, you're a Pirate.
In this statistic anyway. And if you pay 50$ and download it on every family computer, you are 4 or 5 pirates, all in one person.
I don't see the problem with saying most, I thought we clarified that I dislike the developers of games I consider complete rubbish, sure I may have exaggerated the number slightly by use of the word but I still don't see how that means I don't hold a high respect for the position of game developers. You seem to be tripping over reasons to hate me, when you accused me the first 2 times of being a pirate I atleast took the time to correct your mistake, I only called you a moron/troll the third time, which I'd have reconsidered had you not made me repeat myself and already decided this thread was an oppertunity to insult me. Tell you what, I'll admit my first post may have been a bit inflamatory and my stance misleading (somehow), and I've apologised for and corrected it in other posts. Now if you could admit that you've simply taken this whole thing personally I'd be happy to stop flooding this thread with our little quarrel. I've got some doubts as to whether you'll do that though, so I think I will be stopping with this after this post. Feel free to flood my message box however.danpascooch said:Let me quote you:Kurokami said:Not surprised its the dumbest thing you've heard, you're the one who said it.danpascooch said:I'll let you get the last word in before I stop reading your blathering, it's obviously important to you, and I realize no matter what I say you still think game developers are horrifying leechers who are all incredibly rich, which is the probably the top ten dumbest things I've ever heard in the year I've used these forums.Kurokami said:hopefully you won't find a reason to flame me for snipping these quotes
By the way, I'm going into Game Design and Development at the Rochester Institute of Technology this fall, I look forward to forcibly sucking all of your money away into my swirling gold rimmed vortex of game developer evil.
I have great respect for good games and their developers, the fact that I dislike games with no originality or thought put into them surprises you? If you're hoping to become a game developer than good luck to you. I hope you make some good games and then I will happily give you my money. If you make shit games however, I will be lumping you into the category of money snatchers/worthless grit, which I think is fair as you'd be judging me the same way, I'm sure.
In any case, thanks for enabling my procrastination till now. Next time try and reply to what people post instead of replying to your own made up nonsense. =]
(oh yeah, that smiley's gonna piss you off)
Seriously though, good luck in becoming a developer. These games I simply despise don't feel as though they're created by gamers.
Yeah, I can see the great respect there, funny, you didn't say anything about the game developer's quality in that quote, just "most" nor did you say that you respect good game developers.Yeah, we should reward most game developers for being so 'principled' and caring about the consumers as much as they *kaching* do.
So yeah, I was replying to you posting that most game developers are basically money grabbing pricks, maybe instead of accusing me of responding to "my own nonsense" in such a way that makes you look like an even bigger jackass than everyone already thinks you are, you should remember what you posted just a few days ago.
I find quotes are relatively important as they allow users you've quoted to respond with ease (in case you didn't know, a quotation appears in the message box making it very simply to adress).Frankster said:I suck at quote editing so using old fashioned copy pasta.
personname said:The simplest way to address multiple quotes is to press the quote button at the bottom right corner of each message, then cut out what you want from the message and what not.personsname said:The message, and remember no spaces[/ quote]
Don't this instruction as condescending, as said above I simply feel quoting is important on forums.
Kurokami said:snippyFrankster said:snip
you simply need to type inAh cheers for that, Im still a very junior member on this forum, unsure about the functions and very unsure about protocol here (the times i did quote i felt i was almost spamming, adding unecessary padding to whatever im writing ><). No worries about being condescending, you are merely offering advice ^^personname said:FAQ snippypersonsname said:The message, and remember no spaces[/ quote]