Yep, it's just the same with hipsters. You can't be "ironic" as a hipster, because if you try to be ironic and dress "ironic" you fail. The only way a hipster can be ironic is not to be ironic. Unleash the paradox!Furioso said:
Why are emos hated?
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Nope, I never was an emo, although I was depressed for three years a while back. Didn't do the dress in black and while thing. Now I'm much better now so that flamethrower won't be needed.Danzaivar said:
I'll tell you some reasons why I do and don't like what I would call Emo kids. I like them because they're very accepting, very friendly, are colourful and don't mind looking a little girly just because that's what they want to wear. I don't have any Emo friends, but most of them I know are very nice.
I don't like them because they get bloody furious if you don't know their exact chosen term (scene kid? anti-scene kid? Pseudo-love-goth? Screw you, kid). Some live only in their stereotype world and don't become their own person because they want to fit in. They think if you work out to keep yourself healthy that you're "a jock". That's not everyone, but I've seen those all happen before.
The reason I think other people hate them is because the whole culture is about being vulnerable and emotional, and it's easy to put down someone like that. Bullies see a skinny, malnourished kid listen to music about feelings, so they see an easy target. It makes some people feel better about themselves, like they're making the physical manifestation of their own hidden weakness cry. Other groups like metalheads and goths feel like their style is being diluted even though a careful observer knows who wants to be what.
I don't like them because they get bloody furious if you don't know their exact chosen term (scene kid? anti-scene kid? Pseudo-love-goth? Screw you, kid). Some live only in their stereotype world and don't become their own person because they want to fit in. They think if you work out to keep yourself healthy that you're "a jock". That's not everyone, but I've seen those all happen before.
The reason I think other people hate them is because the whole culture is about being vulnerable and emotional, and it's easy to put down someone like that. Bullies see a skinny, malnourished kid listen to music about feelings, so they see an easy target. It makes some people feel better about themselves, like they're making the physical manifestation of their own hidden weakness cry. Other groups like metalheads and goths feel like their style is being diluted even though a careful observer knows who wants to be what.
As an 'old man' now I just see emos as another group of attention seeking youths. It's not unusual for kids to want to rebel against things and this is a way of rebelling while drawing attention to yourself.
They'll all grew up soon enough - but they don't command any interest from me.
They'll all grew up soon enough - but they don't command any interest from me.
I used to get called an emo just because I wore black, had black hair and self harmed, before anyone jumps in and slates me for self harming I did it because I was mentally ill not because I was an emo and thought my life was worse than anyone else's.
I still wear black all the time, my hair's now it's natural colour and I don't self harm anymore but I don't understand where this "emo" thing came from. So I wore black, is it really that big of a deal?
Not sure if anyone hated me because of it tbh, it's not like I hung around in groups like I see so many do in my town centre. They literally sit in doorways and scowl at you.
Btw I think Chavs are a worse group. Sure emo's might stare you to death but a Chav probably has a weapon, they do nothing but drink and steal and cause crimes against fashion. Tarts.
I still wear black all the time, my hair's now it's natural colour and I don't self harm anymore but I don't understand where this "emo" thing came from. So I wore black, is it really that big of a deal?
Not sure if anyone hated me because of it tbh, it's not like I hung around in groups like I see so many do in my town centre. They literally sit in doorways and scowl at you.
Btw I think Chavs are a worse group. Sure emo's might stare you to death but a Chav probably has a weapon, they do nothing but drink and steal and cause crimes against fashion. Tarts.
Chances are no one's going to read this far down, but I'll post my 2 cents anyways.
I find that the stereotypical emo person listens to music that is depressing, will cut themselves, dress in black and colour their hair (usually red), and will wear darker colours, but usually have a band logo on it.
Now this I personally don't have a problem with, and I doubt many other people do either. It's a style, a label, a means of identification. If someone follows this trend while trying to find an identity, that's okay. Be it jock, goth, prep, or whatever, a look is a look, and will feel more comfortable than not having an identity.
That being said, I believe that the only reason to dislike emo people is the attitude. Now I know people who will dress in the emo style (although in some instances it's goth, and I don't know enough to tell the difference at a glance), and they have what I would call a normal attitude. Yes, they have problems, and they'll tell their friends about it. They then get support, and work past the problem.
That's fine. It's normal (in my opinion) to go overboard with emotions every once in a while. There's a lot of pressure and change during the teenage years (which is where emo people tend to show up) and outbursts should be expected.
It's when you can't let go of your issues that I have a problem with. If someone, anyone complains about their life but won't take any steps to change it, then I dislike them. I don't want them around me, and I certainly don't want to hear about what the latest issue was. If they aren't asking for help, but instead use their problems to generate attention, then I want to be far, far away from them.
This is the attitude of the stereotypical emo. This is the label that someone wears when they dress in the correct manner. I don't think anyone hates every person who dresses in dark clothes and skinny jeans, but rather the attitude that emo conveys. Knowing someone on the individual level is the only sure way to know what their attitude is, or even holding a basic conversation.
However it cannot be expected of us to do this. We stereotype and carry prejudices, which we use to gauge an encounter and prepare ourselves mentally. It's nearly impossible to approach a person as a blank slate, unless you forget all previous social contact each time. (Not something I would recommend).
To summarize, what is disliked is the stereotypical emo attitude. If you carry that attitude, regardless of how you dress or what music you listen to, then you are generally disliked. If you label yourself as a member of a social group, then you must expect that the stereotype will be pasted on you for every social encounter, regardless of whether you fit the stereotype or not.
Something to consider.
I find that the stereotypical emo person listens to music that is depressing, will cut themselves, dress in black and colour their hair (usually red), and will wear darker colours, but usually have a band logo on it.
Now this I personally don't have a problem with, and I doubt many other people do either. It's a style, a label, a means of identification. If someone follows this trend while trying to find an identity, that's okay. Be it jock, goth, prep, or whatever, a look is a look, and will feel more comfortable than not having an identity.
That being said, I believe that the only reason to dislike emo people is the attitude. Now I know people who will dress in the emo style (although in some instances it's goth, and I don't know enough to tell the difference at a glance), and they have what I would call a normal attitude. Yes, they have problems, and they'll tell their friends about it. They then get support, and work past the problem.
That's fine. It's normal (in my opinion) to go overboard with emotions every once in a while. There's a lot of pressure and change during the teenage years (which is where emo people tend to show up) and outbursts should be expected.
It's when you can't let go of your issues that I have a problem with. If someone, anyone complains about their life but won't take any steps to change it, then I dislike them. I don't want them around me, and I certainly don't want to hear about what the latest issue was. If they aren't asking for help, but instead use their problems to generate attention, then I want to be far, far away from them.
This is the attitude of the stereotypical emo. This is the label that someone wears when they dress in the correct manner. I don't think anyone hates every person who dresses in dark clothes and skinny jeans, but rather the attitude that emo conveys. Knowing someone on the individual level is the only sure way to know what their attitude is, or even holding a basic conversation.
However it cannot be expected of us to do this. We stereotype and carry prejudices, which we use to gauge an encounter and prepare ourselves mentally. It's nearly impossible to approach a person as a blank slate, unless you forget all previous social contact each time. (Not something I would recommend).
To summarize, what is disliked is the stereotypical emo attitude. If you carry that attitude, regardless of how you dress or what music you listen to, then you are generally disliked. If you label yourself as a member of a social group, then you must expect that the stereotype will be pasted on you for every social encounter, regardless of whether you fit the stereotype or not.
Something to consider.
Because they are a bunch of whiny little bitches who need to be thrown in a place like Afghanistan to learn why their complaining about trivial issues pisses people off...plus they dress like fags...
For me its generally their attitude, and the general "we are better because we are this and that" mentality. When that is said that mentality is present in a lot of sub culturesDenSomKastade said:
And as a generally optimistic fellow I don't subscribe to the "the world hates me, everything is wrong" mind set.
But does that mean I hate Emos, or blackies, or Goths or whatever? No.
Does it mean I think they should lighten up a bit? Yes.
What is interesting though is a lot of "styles" and "groups" will pressisst through aging(although it changes slightly with age), but emo seem to be a teen only sort of thing. Which I think also adds to the "hate"
we hate emo's because their self hatred isn't enough. They feed on hate and to get more hate they post randomly stupid movies on youtube to get more hatred. This hatred let's them grow into a fearfull demon, but they usually cut themselves to get sad, so the hatred doesn't grow.
With this they save the world.
Even if an emo kid doesn't cut himself, other emo kiddies use their ninja skills to kill them and make it look like suicide.
it's quite a long history and i'm really close to discovering the truth. i'll keep you posted.
With this they save the world.
Even if an emo kid doesn't cut himself, other emo kiddies use their ninja skills to kill them and make it look like suicide.
it's quite a long history and i'm really close to discovering the truth. i'll keep you posted.
I remember when being emo was bad haha. They weren't outgoing enough to be goth, and they were to girly to be into rock. I'm not saying I hate all emo but like most of the people here say: they are attention seeking brats who think their life sucks. I remember while in high school, the incoming freshman where all emos who thought they were being non conformist and everyday a group of them (all look a likes) would walk past my friends at the beginning of their conversations would start "This ____ sucks in general, I hate it." Also their music sucks, their clothes suck, and their hair looks like something died on it.
QFT - The point is to not tell anyone how sad or depressed you are. Your issues are your own and talking about them freely is annoying, it also comes out as a plea for sympathy.Nukey said:
I used to dislike emo's because I thought they were trying to rip off the goth style. I graduated, and now I don't care. All those people abandoned the emo style it was a phase. I keep thinking of The Smiths quote, "When you laugh about people who feel so very lonely, their only desire is to die." If it's a phase they'll grow out if it, so it shouldn't matter. If it isn't a phase, why hate?
Don't hate me for this, but I never really figured out the difference between goths, emos, punks, etc...
Emos are annoying because their entire existence seems to be centered around garnering as much pity from as many people as possible. It's incredibly stupid, and I for one find it both offensive and infuriating that people can be that self-absorbed.DenSomKastade said:
It's not that they "non-conform" together (which is a whole different argument, but I'm not going to get into it) so much as that they're so whiny about it. Anyone seeking pity does not deserve it. Period. The entire stereotype revolves around the "woe is me" outlook, when the things they tend to complain about can be easily solved if they'd stop bitching about it and actually do something.
That said, because of these issues I have with the stereotype, I don't socialize with many that could straight-facedly be called "Emo". My position is based on the stereotype, and the few I have met (all of whom conformed to the major parts of the stereotype).
I don't understand them.
I hate what I don't understand.
I used to think they behaved that way because they were miserable with the things life threw at them, but then I was told that wasn't the case. At this point in time I thought they were hilarious because they were obviously ignorant to the idea that most people go through what they dealing with.
Now I just don't 'get' them and I find their general admiration of the superiority complex rather irritating.
I hate what I don't understand.
I used to think they behaved that way because they were miserable with the things life threw at them, but then I was told that wasn't the case. At this point in time I thought they were hilarious because they were obviously ignorant to the idea that most people go through what they dealing with.
Now I just don't 'get' them and I find their general admiration of the superiority complex rather irritating.
