Why are kids such brats

[Criquefreak]

I'd have to agree with the bad parenting comments. There's far too much of people trying to pawn off those duties to schools (who legaly can't), television and video games (clearly missing the point), or the internet (often more harmful). Lack of consequences for the parents probably contributes to this as does a disturbing and growing trend of getting a child medicated should the parents feel the child's uncontrollable.

Proper discipline would be a helpful tool, but it's a thing learned only by dedicated parents or attempted to be forced on those that are caught being physically abusive. Proper child-rearing techniques would be a much more helpful thing to make mandatory in schools, particularly seeing how sex ed seems to be failing or encouraged via practice by teaching 'abstinence' (seriously, don't tell a child an option and then discourage it, especially without adequately teaching why it's harmful).

As far as spankings/beatings go, it seems more likely to promote rebellion at the same time as allowing parents to abuse a child rather than discipline them. The fact that public acts of this sort would get the parents into legal trouble, thus reinforcing the idea that the child can do anything they want and their parents can't do anything to stop them.

Wyes also makes a good point about the fact that ease of media availability has increased exposure to the world at a degree much greater than generations past. Rather than hearing about this sort of thing only amongst one's social group, we can view/hear/read about things going on anywhere in the world on a daily basis and controversial topics are often the most popular.

 

[Tonythion]

Because parents aren't allowed to spank their children in public anymore....
I never swore at or around adults when I was a kid. Even now I respect people and only curse when I am around friends that don't mind.

As a child when ever I acted out I was reprimanded immediately, even in a store. I would get a swift slap to the bum. Plus media today is pretty messed up, and parents let their children watch or do what ever they want. Kids today are growing up with no guide lines or morals and it's all the parents fault.

I have to heavily disagree with this. I was punished as a kid when I got out of line. The end result was I started to loathe my parent's existence, wether being that I refused to accept them or feeling betrayed/wronged. To this day, I've developed emotional issues, a violent nature and still hold a grudge against my father for what he did, even though it's not that I don't love him... but a part of me is still full of rage for everytime I was hurt.

Sorry to hear that, but I didn't mean to actually hurt the child. My parents spanked me so it was more public humiliation that made me stop, not the pain. I mean you shouldn't hurt the child just show them that they shouldn't do bad things, because sometimes telling them to stop doesn't work. But I truly am sorry about your father hurting you, he should not have done that.

 

[CrazyMedic]

yeah I know a lot of kids are jerks but try and I mean try to not wright us all of gives us a chance, if within 5 words they call you a cocksucking cowboy go ahead and tune them out but know that not all kids are jerks. I think a lot of it steams from either too much beating or not enough, in some cases you have to hit a kid but when you have a baby crying in the store you don't hit um, but when you have a 5 year old who starts screaming I want candy and making an ass of himself a swift smack to the ass is a good renforcement and depending on the kid that should stop when you can start to reason with a child, the only time my dad hit me was when I was like 1 and I slapped him twice then the third time he hit me.

 

[Tonythion]

Because you were exposed to the middle and lower classes of American children. The elite few who are educated in our top ivy-league prep-schools and groomed to control our industry and political machinations are far more well-bred. You just never see them as they live lives apart from the rest of us. I know this because I sing opera for their parents' amusement and Foundation monies.

I come from a lower-middle-class background. I had to educate myself in proper civic conduct, because my heart lead me to this conclusion. Other kids are lazier than I, hence, an unwillingness to make the effort to be civil. Expanding your lexicon and your understanding of civility go a long way in making your life better. Achieved through the alteration of the perception of you by others and their adaptation to that perceived alteration. It is a kind of inverse application of the axiom "live by the Sword, die by the Sword."

Not entirely true, I was taught the proper manners and how to conduct myself in public and I am from a lower middle class household, my dad walks around in boxers for goodness sakes. There are a lot of Hispanics and African-americans around where I live and my generation is perfectly capable of acting in a dignified manner. I think its just the newer generation of children that are too lazy, or ignorant.

 

[FortheLegion]

I hate brats like that... What makes it even more horrible is that they're everywhere from New Hampshire to Melbourne, Australia. I hate them all. I always feel like punching them in the faces or even more drastic: killing them. I would do it if it wouldn't ruin my life.....

 

[CrazyMedic]

That's not the kid's fault. It's shitty parenting. Most modern parenting consists of buying your kids' love and then shoving your values down their throat.

I blame the parents as well but the kids are the one doing it shouldn't we judge the kids more so then the parents?

No, no you cannot. In the early proccesses of the human mind, things change and decide how a person will come out.

Neglect
Being hurt
Loved
Taught


A child is a blank slate. They didn't come built in with swearing, they learned it from other people.

They don't come with morals built in, they learn that from god willingly their parent or guardian.

I refuse to believe that when I was forming I was exposed to only my mother for most of my life she is a nice person who believes sprinkles and butterflies live around every corner, but I still grew up to be a sarcastic little asshole who just happens to behave(down to the same taste in food).

 

[Tonythion]

As far as spankings/beatings go, it seems more likely to promote rebellion at the same time as allowing parents to abuse a child rather than discipline them. The fact that public acts of this sort would get the parents into legal trouble, thus reinforcing the idea that the child can do anything they want and their parents can't do anything to stop them.

There is a difference between beating and spanking. I do not promote beating. I just had another convo where a person developed issues because of spanking. Spanking is not supposed to dramatically hurt the child. It is to get their attention and make them listen. It's not even supposed to hurt all that much. The rare times I got in trouble my mother would stop me, give me a swift spank with my pants on so it didn't really hurt and make me look her in the eyes. Then she would tell me "You see those people looking at you? They don't appreciate the way you are acting and I don't either." The fact that I was bothering other people and the humiliation it brought made me want to stop. Of course this would not work on everybody, and I want to get it across I do not condone beating/abuse. If it hurts the child to the point it makes them cry or bruises them, its too hard. Also I agree with the rest of your post.

 

[Tonythion]

I think its just the newer generation of children that are too lazy, or ignorant.

I think you and I are the exception that proves the rule.

Not even your mates? All of mine are respectful when it comes to adults and not acting like a complete loon.

 

[Verlander]

For the first example you should have stood up for yourself, they feel they can get away with it because no one will discipline them, parents or you.

Second time, while potentially intimidating, isn't that bad. People of all ages are assholes.

Third one isn't any of your business. Unless they were being verbally insulting to you, then get them kicked out. No place offers an unlimited abuse to staff policy. Parents may be the cause of the problem, but you are part of the problem if you aren't part of the solution

 

[Alon Shechter]

they aren't the little angles

orly?

Anyways, being (cyber) bullied by such cool brave kids daily, I can't really say you're unlucky....
Kids are brats lately, I have no idea why, me being one of them.
The kids that is, I am not a brat.

 

[Byere]

(apologies for the double posting)

 

[Byere]

Why are kids brats? Because governments and politically correct a-holes deem it neccessary NOT to allow us to discipline the little shizheads.

I was clipped round the ear if I did something wrong when I was a kid. If I screamed and messed around in a supermarket, I'd have the back of my legs slapped right there in the middle of the store. I got a hell of a lot more than just "That's it! No games for you!" and then five minutes later "Oh, you've been good, I won't stop you doing what you want".

My name is Byere, I work in a grocery store and I f***ing HATE children.

 

[FortheLegion]

I hate brats like that... What makes it even more horrible is that they're everywhere from New Hampshire to Melbourne, Australia. I hate them all. I always feel like punching them in the faces or even more drastic: killing them. I would do it if it wouldn't ruin my life.....

Thank Heaven for Law and Order huh? Killing a person tends to put a damper on the rest of your life, even when they deserve it.

Thank heaven indeed
Think of the Horrible monster i would become; Slaughtering everyone that i despise.....I wonder how many i could kill before being stopped......

 

[Marsell]

Kids are such brats because we currently in the Retard Society.
Remember the baby boomers? How they tried to turn all the kids into neat freak, safety nut, anal-retentive robots? Well now Society and the Media is trying to turn kids into neat freak, safety nut, anal-retentive robots with a lower IQ.

 

[Nikolaz72]

Because kids are having kids nowadays. All the slutty, dumb girls from my school had children at about 14/15 despite not being mature enough or financially stable.
It's down to a mix of bad parenting and kids getting in the wrong crowd. They're the sort of kids who, if you look into their eyes, you can see prison and drugs unless they buck their ideas up.
Sooo, ignore them, laugh because you have a job and they don't and let nature take it's course with them.

Well theres still the possibility of them growing a brain but staying brat.. You know? Survival of the Complainiest.

Also. 50 years ago 13-14 yearolds would go out and beat up their classmates, experiment with drugs. Go hooligan at a rock conce--- Where im going is that ITS BEEN WORSE we just THINK it was better back then because of the media. I mean. Back then it was considered bad if you broke a window. Now its considered bad if you try to drive a bike without a helmet or dont do your homework.

I mean, kids language have gotten worse and symbols more offensive. But like soceity they have developed. Instead of using action they now solve their issues with words. Very dull, very offensive. But its still words.

 

[Criquefreak]

As far as spankings/beatings go, it seems more likely to promote rebellion at the same time as allowing parents to abuse a child rather than discipline them. The fact that public acts of this sort would get the parents into legal trouble, thus reinforcing the idea that the child can do anything they want and their parents can't do anything to stop them.

There is a difference between beating and spanking. I do not promote beating. I just had another convo where a person developed issues because of spanking. Spanking is not supposed to dramatically hurt the child. It is to get their attention and make them listen. It's not even supposed to hurt all that much. The rare times I got in trouble my mother would stop me, give me a swift spank with my pants on so it didn't really hurt and make me look her in the eyes. Then she would tell me "You see those people looking at you? They don't appreciate the way you are acting and I don't either." The fact that I was bothering other people and the humiliation it brought made me want to stop. Of course this would not work on everybody, and I want to get it across I do not condone beating/abuse. If it hurts the child to the point it makes them cry or bruises them, its too hard. Also I agree with the rest of your post.

It's rare when I hear about parents with such a degree of self control. It's equally uncommon to have a child who doesn't interpret even mild pain inflicted by parents as acceptable regular behavior to be used any time someone's acting in a manner deemed unacceptable on a personal level. It's a common point in many medical professions that no two persons are equal and that it's best to learn to diagnose and apply 'treatment' to a problem to the best of one's knowledge and adjust when necessary. I'd imagine a similar point could be easily made of raising a child, especially in what will work as a disciplining method. In any case, lack of education in how to raise and discipline one's children is likely to lead to problems and misinterpretation of popular trends (as spanking once was).

 

[Kenko]

Only reason they swear and act like douches is because you cant grab them and scold them without getting arrested for assault some bullshit like that. There's no consequence for their actions until they are adults and never get jobs because they're fucking idiots because their parents were pathetic excuses for human beings unable to even control their kids. Ive got 1 solution. A LICENSE FOR CHILDREN! Not all people should be allowed to breed in modern society. Losing a few schmucks will only make the planet a better place while we make global overpopulation less of a problem. 2 birds with 1 rock!

 

[ChicagoTed]

Why are they like that you say because parents never give their kids a good smack across the rear these days. Picture this during the 60's and 70's in the UK if you were a kid and insulted somebody for no good reason that person would have full permision to pick you up by both ears and drag you home and tell your parents. Once your parents found out then they would give you a good smack around and anybody else who happend to be in your house at the time and then you would pray that your grandparents didn't find out. Ask any adult born in Britain born during those times and they will tell you the exact same thing. My parents would give me a smack across the rear or hand in public if I fucked up and the humiliation of it all hurt alot more then one of my parents striking me and you know what I turned out just fine as an adult.

 

[Wintermoot]

maybe the world is turning in an asshole or maybe because parents are only raising kids with a carrot and without a stick

 

[Sideromelane]

I had to register, just to bring a real world example to this thread.

I was beaten as a child.

Not only for misdemeanors, but for not shutting doors quietly enough, playing with legos too loud or reading too much. I was thrown down stairs for refusing to toss out school science books from the previous year, I wanting to keep them because they were USEFUL, but they were trash taking up space.

I was beaten, badly, and now...

I get along with my father. He made mistakes, and feels guilty about it. I have a home, a job, dog at my feet and my bills are due to be paid, but thats for payday.
I have no criminal record, have never smoked, rarely drink alcohol, never done ANY drug stronger than stuff prescribed to me by my doctor (I once had a really shitty job, was depressed as hell), and can cook for myself.

My younger brother was pampered. Was rarely smacked, always got away with 'it' and always got the spot on the sofa, the playstations, the designer shoes etc etc.

He will be attending court next week on breaking and entering charges, will spend time in the police cells, and will have to pay a fine/do community service. He is just recovering from a crystal meth... I hesitate to say 'addiction' but he took a lot of the stuff. He smokes, drinks, sleeps around, and is generally what I would normally call scum.

So at the end of the day, those people clamoring that hitting a child leads to violence and abuses later in thier own life?

Bull.
Shit.

I never plan to have children. My personal belief is that humanity needs to stop breeding so damn much and reduce thier numbers to a couple of billion, instead of it's current, what, eight bill now? But thats another matter.

However, I would, if I did have children, give them a good smack now and then to keep them straight. Sure, they will resent me for it, and why not? I resented what was done to me. But by the Lords of Kobol, I wouldn't disrespect my elders or burgle a place for drug money!

(Also, I swear, a lot. But thats a Scottish thing. ^_^ )