The real question is: why has nobody written an article about this and called it "Anything but Quiet"
Doesn't matter what they're talking about, they just need to.
Doesn't matter what they're talking about, they just need to.
Skullface is the kind of guy to keep a freaky look primarily for the sake of freaking out the normies. Plus, the whole "They took everything that marked me as a man, but they couldn't take my skull" thing, so it's also probably principle.Dr. Crawver said:Apparently her parasites gave her new skin or something.IceForce said:Is there an explanation for how her lungs can get burned to a crisp, but her skin is able to remain pristine and perfectly serviceable?Thyunda said:Again, it's a case of creatively working backwards, because this explanation actually makes it even worse.
She dresses like an idiot because she breathes through her skin.
She breathes through her skin because she hasn't got any lungs.
She hasn't got any lungs because a villain burned them all up.
Why skullface didn't get the same treatment? Who knows.
Seems contrived.
Well isn't that rather selfish of you? What about those who like and want that stuff in there? Do my lesbian neighbors not get a vote on this? Cause I can tell you right now, they REALLY like Quiet's look.Zhukov said:Besides the point.Coreless said:I'm having a hard time understanding this, for me fanservice has always been nothing but harmless teasing and never gratuitous, while full on porn can encompass anything from typical sexual behavior to hardcore niche fetishism. Do people really consider seeing a character bend over in a tight outfit (which at best might make someone roll their eyes) the same as full on porn because that seems like quite a stretch.Zhukov said:"The availability of porn just makes me wonder why fanservice is at all necessary. I mean, there is literally more sex and nudity than I could watch in a lifetime a mere five clicks away."
I'm saying that if I want sexy images on my computer screen, regardless of whether we're talking cutesy or gratuitously hardcore or anything in between, I can make that happen. Easily. I don't need video games to provide that.
And I especially don't need it when the result is otherwise pretty good games fucking up their character designs in service to my theoretical boner.
Or...you know, the people that don't mind her are mindful of the context in which she's presented.(that of MGS and how batshittingly stupid some of the designs are to begin with if you're going to use "the real world" complaint) and that of the something like thirty cutscenes she's in(not including helicopter scenes which you can skip by not taking her with you) there's only like four that has her "presenting" herself to you the way people keep talking about her only posing being done...Hell, even Snake "poses" the same way in the helicopter scenes, you just don't see it because of the camera angle. Most of them Quiet's just sitting around, honestly pretty covered up. Crossed legs, covering her boobs with her arms, you don't even notice the bikini straps for the most part. Honestly she looks bored most of the time like that.erttheking said:Pure fantasy? MGS isn't pure fantasy. It tries to establish itself as being in the real world with some changes. It has internal logic and rules that must be followed.Ouroboros said:Snip
Honestly, sometimes I feel like the people who don't mind Quiet have a lower opinion of MGS than people who do mind her. The people who don't mind her keep saying that MGS is pure fantasy where anything apparently be thrown in and it's ok and "what do you expect". Kind of feels like it's selling Kojima short. I think the guy can do great stuff when he sets his mind to it, but the people around here defending quiet seem to mainly be saying he only makes stupid stuff.
And exactly how is your idea any better? It still takes away her agency that people are complaining about, but now there's just a generic rape story(don't even try to sell it a different way, it's generic), but without any MGS flair. And c'mon, she was an assassin sent to kill BB and was BURNED ALIVE, I think that's a dark enough backstory. Like seriously, not every woman that dresses oddly has to do it because they were raped...erttheking said:No kidding. I was expecting something dark, like she got raped and this was her trying to take control of her sexuality (Which happens a lot) and instead, she got hurt, so she needs to breath through her skin. Wot?The Material Sheep said:Snip
I see we've now moved on to the ad hominem attack portion of the discussion. How delightful.Ouroboros said:Intelligent and emotionally stable people don't collapse because badly written shlock is shlocky, and they don't try to pick it apart in places and not in others.
Hey, people already pulled the "You obviously don't care about MGS if you don't mind Quiet" quite a few posts back junk, ad hominem started already.Don Incognito said:I see we've now moved on to the ad hominem attack portion of the discussion. How delightful.Ouroboros said:Intelligent and emotionally stable people don't collapse because badly written shlock is shlocky, and they don't try to pick it apart in places and not in others.
MGS is badly written and this is one of the many ways in which it is badly written, that's my point. I brought it up because the OP asked about it. I mean if you AGREE that it's badly written, why do you have a problem with it? You clearly don't consider the game to be any high form of writing. You flat out said it's stupid, so why do you have a problem with me criticizing it?Ouroboros said:So MGS is badly written, what's your point? It's a silly series that happened to basically invent a set of extremely lasting and entertaining gameplay conventions. Intelligent and emotionally stable people don't collapse because badly written shlock is shlocky, and they don't try to pick it apart in places and not in others.
Maybe because you don't "criticize" much of anything about games besides their portrayal of a handful of women and the normal "Fuck <this week's hated AAA company here>" everyone does?erttheking said:MGS is badly written and this is one of the many ways in which it is badly written, that's my point. I brought it up because the OP asked about it. I mean if you AGREE that it's badly written, why do you have a problem with it? You clearly don't consider the game to be any high form of writing. You flat out said it's stupid, so why do you have a problem with me criticizing it?Ouroboros said:So MGS is badly written, what's your point? It's a silly series that happened to basically invent a set of extremely lasting and entertaining gameplay conventions. Intelligent and emotionally stable people don't collapse because badly written shlock is shlocky, and they don't try to pick it apart in places and not in others.
Also, you're gonna have to explain how criticizing a game equals me collapsing. I'd appreciate it if you managed to counter my point without resorting to mudslinging.
And? I'm not denying that there's a demand for it. I'm saying it's a shit design.Coreless said:What if people want sexy images in their game and not outside it? What is wrong with putting sexy images in a game as opposed to in a comic, tv show, movie or even live theater? You say you don't need it and that is fine, but what does "need" have to do with the entertainment medium? Its all about what people "want" and are willing to pay for, clearly there is a want for this kind of stuff...So who gets to have their interests catered to?Zhukov said:[snip]
Selfish? Not quite. It's self-centered. Which is kind of inevitable when presenting one's own opinion.Metalix Knightmare said:Well isn't that rather selfish of you? What about those who like and want that stuff in there? Do my lesbian neighbors not get a vote on this? Cause I can tell you right now, they REALLY like Quiet's look.Zhukov said:[snip]
What on Earth makes you consider Quiet's design crap and what makes it out of place? This is a series with an S&M psychic hanging out with a woman with a rather gratuitous amount of cleavage, and a dude with no shirt in freaking ALASKA! (As added points, the lady fought you outside, and the shirtless dude fought you in a giant freezer.)Zhukov said:And? I'm not denying that there's a demand for it. I'm saying it's a shit design.Coreless said:What if people want sexy images in their game and not outside it? What is wrong with putting sexy images in a game as opposed to in a comic, tv show, movie or even live theater? You say you don't need it and that is fine, but what does "need" have to do with the entertainment medium? Its all about what people "want" and are willing to pay for, clearly there is a want for this kind of stuff...So who gets to have their interests catered to?Zhukov said:[snip]
If I say, "The Twilight movies were crap", you replying, "But there's a demand for them", doesn't make them any less crap.
Selfish? Not quite. It's self-centered. Which is kind of inevitable when presenting one's own opinion.Metalix Knightmare said:Well isn't that rather selfish of you? What about those who like and want that stuff in there? Do my lesbian neighbors not get a vote on this? Cause I can tell you right now, they REALLY like Quiet's look.Zhukov said:[snip]
As for those people who like shitty character designs and want more of them, sure they get a vote. They can buy the game like anyone else. Do you think your lesbian neighbours will enjoy Quiet's look any less because some dude their neighbour ran into on the internet thought the design was bad and out of place?
Yeah, it's almost as is said one element is what the thread's title and opening post were specifically about. Damn those SJWs, staying on topic like that.Ouroboros said:Thank you, yes the first part at least is exactly the case. I can't speak to the second, but it seems like the kind of thing consistent with the people picking one unbelievable element out of a giant pile, and then holding that one element up for ridicule.
Not my point. You're tilting at windmills.Ouroboros said:The Twilight movies are crap because they're based on crap, and made to be crap. They're not crap because they have sexy bits, but because of a total lack of anything redeeming. It's that lack of redeeming qualities that makes it crap, and sex can't save it.Zhukov said:Selfish? Not quite. It's self-centered. Which is kind of inevitable when presenting one's own opinion.
As for those people who like shitty character designs and want more of them, sure they get a vote. They can buy the game like anyone else. Do you think your lesbian neighbours will enjoy Quiet's look any less because some dude their neighbour ran into on the internet thought the design was bad and out of place?
Annnnnd still tilting at windmills.If you want to argue that MGS is crap, pointing to fanservice does nothing to prove your point.
She's a combatant. She spends her time leopard crawling around the gravelly hills of Afghanistan shooting people.Metalix Knightmare said:What on Earth makes you consider Quiet's design crap and what makes it out of place?
The presence of other shit designs does not make Quiet's design any better.This is a series with an S&M psychic hanging out with a woman with a rather gratuitous amount of cleavage, and a dude with no shirt in freaking ALASKA! (As added points, the lady fought you outside, and the shirtless dude fought you in a giant freezer.)
Nah. If she was wearing that getup somewhere that it made sense I for one would have no problem with it. For example, if the character was one of those floor models at a munitions trade show (which is literally the only place I could think of where that design would make any sense at all).Seriously dude, you guys are starting to come off more and more like you're body shaming more than anything else.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I've played bits and pieces of MGS1, a lot of MGS3, the first five hours of MGS4, The Phantom Pain and a few missions of MGS5. None of the game were good enough to get me to finish them, with the possible exception of MGS3.You're also starting to give off the vibe that none of you even played this series until Quiet's design drew your ire.
The amount that doesn't tear me out of the experience due to how ridiculous it is.Ouroboros said:So you just have a complaint about how long her skin was on display? What's the right amount of time to wear it, that wouldn't hurt your sensibilities/feelings?
His reference was to Sniper Wolf (the cleavage) and Vulcan Raven (shirtless dude). You are thinking of Vamp (shirtless with a trench coat) who was paired with Fortune (swimsuit and boots). Personally I'd argue that Sniper Wolf and Vulcan Raven are pretty good designs, Sniper Wolf has appropriate attire apart from the zipper that got stuck in a really low position (and that qualifies as pretty modest fanservice by the standards of the late 90's) and Vulcan Raven has a design that oozes barely controlled aggression, complete with the classical "shirtless barbarian" physique of Conan fame. Vamp and Fortune meanwhile have fanservicey designs that also highlights their total disregard for their enemies weapons (Vamp being immortal and Fortune being unhittable).Zhukov said:(Also, wasn't the shirtless dude an immortal guy who didn't feel pain or something? Or am I thinking of a different shirtless dude?)
You know, I really don't get what point you're trying to make. I'm talking about Quiet...in a thread about Quiet. Is that really something I'm supposed to be ashamed of?Ouroboros said:Snip
The reason why this "one unbelievable element" is being picked on above all else is because it's literally shoved in the face of the player, during cutscenes and whatnot.Ouroboros said:Thank you, yes the first part at least is exactly the case. I can't speak to the second, but it seems like the kind of thing consistent with the people picking one unbelievable element out of a giant pile, and then holding that one element up for ridicule.
Well, there is an almost naked bikini sniper running around a middle eastern battlefield, which is rediculous. And the justification is apparently that she breathes through her skin due to severe burning, despite the fact that we dont see said burns. It's almost as if they didn't want her horribly burned skin to ruin her sex appeal, so they made her look like a brizilian bikini model instead. There are just so many layers to the awful.Metalix Knightmare said:What on Earth makes you consider Quiet's design crap and what makes it out of place? This is a series with an S&M psychic hanging out with a woman with a rather gratuitous amount of cleavage, and a dude with no shirt in freaking ALASKA! (As added points, the lady fought you outside, and the shirtless dude fought you in a giant freezer.)Zhukov said:And? I'm not denying that there's a demand for it. I'm saying it's a shit design.Coreless said:What if people want sexy images in their game and not outside it? What is wrong with putting sexy images in a game as opposed to in a comic, tv show, movie or even live theater? You say you don't need it and that is fine, but what does "need" have to do with the entertainment medium? Its all about what people "want" and are willing to pay for, clearly there is a want for this kind of stuff...So who gets to have their interests catered to?Zhukov said:[snip]
If I say, "The Twilight movies were crap", you replying, "But there's a demand for them", doesn't make them any less crap.
Selfish? Not quite. It's self-centered. Which is kind of inevitable when presenting one's own opinion.Metalix Knightmare said:Well isn't that rather selfish of you? What about those who like and want that stuff in there? Do my lesbian neighbors not get a vote on this? Cause I can tell you right now, they REALLY like Quiet's look.Zhukov said:[snip]
As for those people who like shitty character designs and want more of them, sure they get a vote. They can buy the game like anyone else. Do you think your lesbian neighbours will enjoy Quiet's look any less because some dude their neighbour ran into on the internet thought the design was bad and out of place?
Seriously dude, you guys are starting to come off more and more like you're body shaming more than anything else. You're also starting to give off the vibe that none of you even played this series until Quiet's design drew your ire.