Why Are The Generation 1 Fans the Biggest Complainers About Each New Pokemon Generation?

[fenrizz]

For me it is two parts.

1. Red/Blue are the versions I grew up with, so there is the nostalgia factor.

2. I used to be able to catch 'em all, now I can't.
There are ridiculously many pokemon now, and I'd never, ever be able to catch em all even if I tried.

Gen 1: 151
Gen 2: 251
Gen 3: 386
Gen 4: 493
Gen 5: 649
Gen 6: ???

I mean, come on!
How am I supposed to catch em all now?

 

[Callate]

Pokemon has never cornered a significant piece of my attention, beyond a vague awareness that hearing someone say "squirtle squirtle" repeatedly was kind of annoying and that there was something rather sinister about a product aimed squarely at eight-year-olds with a catchphrase like "Gotta catch 'em all!"

(No offense intended towards those over the age of eight who enjoy the series; I'm sure it has fantastic and rewarding strategic depths. It's just not for me.)

All that said, I suppose my response would be: "Why would Pokemon be the exception?"

Look at first-generation fandom in virtually any media series, particularly the ones that are at least slightly geeky. Star Wars. Star Trek. Transformers. Batman. Game of Thrones. You'll be hard pressed to find more than a handful of occasions where there aren't some hardcore fans insisting that they, the stalwarts who were there from the beginning, aren't superior to the johnny-come-latelies, and that the later versions haven't diluted what was truly important about their beloved franchise with ongoing attempts to be bigger-and-better that fail to grasp the essentials.

I'm sure there's a good Psychology major's term paper in there, somewhere.

 

[Dragonbums]

For me it is two parts.

1. Red/Blue are the versions I grew up with, so there is the nostalgia factor.

2. I used to be able to catch 'em all, now I can't.
There are ridiculously many pokemon now, and I'd never, ever be able to catch em all even if I tried.

Gen 1: 151
Gen 2: 251
Gen 3: 386
Gen 4: 493
Gen 5: 649
Gen 6: ???

I mean, come on!
How am I supposed to catch em all now?

For those who kept up, it's really not that hard at all. After the disaster that was the transfer block for Game Boy Color to Game Boy Advance- Gamefreak has made sure up to this point, that fans of the games are able to transfer all of their Pokemon into the newer generation games. That way you can only focus on the 150+ new Pokemon, and whatever other Pokemon you missed last generation.

 

[Dragonbums]

Although I will say an icecream and a bag of rubbish are scraping the bottom of the barrel a bit sooner than it needs to be scraped.

Poor Trubbish gets no respect; fuck that ice cream cone though.

OT: I played Red and Blue, and about half of Yellow; then I didn't touch another one until B&W. It was partly because in the intervening years I had found better games to occupy my time, and also that there was little reason to keep expanding the roster to absurdly bloated numbers. I did, however, pick up B&W a few months after it came out and was quite blown away how far the game had come since I was 8. The roster was just a refreshing return to that healthy mix of natural and absurd monster designs that Gen 1 & 2 had; especially considering how gaudy and ugly most of the Gen 4 designs were.

That being said, now that I am done with B&W and it's sequels I don't feel much of a need to continue buying into the franchise for another 15 years or so. The game has changed over the years but not very fast or too drastically to warrant buying every iteration.

Call me when they finally put a generation on a console; now that will be worth checking out.

Hate to say this, but I believe when asked about a console version of Pokemon the creator finally stated that it was never going to happen.
His reason being that Pokemon stand for "Pocket Monsters" and the whole point was that you can take it anywhere with you whenever you want. He said having a core series on the console defeats that whole purpose.

 

[V da Mighty Taco]

*Snip*

*Le sigh* Really, another thread along the lines of "Somebody criticizes something I like. Do you agree with me that they're just a bunch of haters?"

To answer the OP's question: People complain about the new generations because - le gasp! - they do not like them. It's really as simple as that. There's absolutely nothing wrong with complaining about or even flat-out hating a work of art (which videogames and cartoons do qualify as), so long as you're willing to explain exactly why in a logical manner. Contrary to popular belief, most people known as "haters" (oh how I loathe that word) have very valid issues with said work of art (or artist even) and will go into great detail explaining exactly what their issues are and why they feel the way they do about it, so long as they're asked in a calm, polite, and rational manner (No namecalling or personal attacks, for example). The whole "hating something just to hate" thing is not nearly as common as some would like to believe.

The fact that you made this thread, worded it the way you did in particular, and even labeled the opposition with a term specifically meant to mock them and make them look bad (Genwunners? Really?) makes it not only seem like you have not heard their arguments out at all, but are far more interested in condemning and insulting them rather than trying to have a serious discussion on the matter. In other words, this thread wasn't made for a civil discussion, but merely to lash out at those you disagree with.

Now I know I'm being a bit of an asshole here, but I'm absolutely fed up with this notion that people don't have a right to complain and having even legitimate arguments being covered up with blanket "Their just haters / jealous / whiners / complainers / entitled / etc" statements that are riddled with fallacies and designed to kill any serious discussion on a topic. Whether it be over ME3, Equestria Girls, Twilight, ICP, SecuROM even; there's always seems to be someone who simply wants to convince everyone that the critics have no legitimate arguments and that they should not be heard out period. This attitude isn't limited to the interwebz either, as the mainstream rap scene has proven time and time again (and I'm saying this as a fan of rap T-T ).

To put it bluntly, people do not under any circumstances have to like the new generations and they fully have the right to complain from the mountaintops about every new generation if they wish. It doesn't matter at all if it's just one person or 500 million, they have all the right in the world to ***** and criticize as much as they please. You wanna poke holes in their arguments, then that's wonderful and I'm seriously not being sarcastic when I say that. After all, the very foundation of a civil discussion is based on poking holes in other people's logic while they poke holes in yours in the hopes of becoming more knowledgeable. However, all you did was degrade the opposition and make assumptions left, right, and center. Only once did you address any of the quite numerous reasons people consider the new generations crap (the "unoriginal" argument). The rest of the time was - ironically - you complaining about how bad complainers were and how they shouldn't complain.

One final note - as for your whole "13 years" spiel, have you ever thought that maybe they still are passionate about Pokemon - just as you are? They clearly still care. You clearly still care. It's unbelievably hypocritical to condemn them for still caring about Pokemon when you do as well. Just because they don't like what the series has become doesn't change that in the slightest, nor does it make their opinions less valid than yours.

Now that my rant there is over, I'll wrap this up with my opinions on Pokemon then crash. I've been typing this for far too long:

- G2 was the best.

- G1 was unbalanced and glitchy as all fuck, though still fun. It definitely had a better Elite 4.

- G3 was the last that I played (don't think I beat it, though I did get to Kyogre and Groudon). I didn't like the shift in the gameplay mechanics and the new Pokemon seemed very haphazardly designed and overall boring. G1 did a really good job at sticking most Pokemon to a theme, such as rock monster or water serpent, and G2 kept up with that for the most part. G3, not so much. I did play and beat Fire Red and Leaf Green, however.

- Haven't played G4 or beyond, as I've lost interest outside of maybe picking up the G2 remakes. The designs seem even sillier from what I've seen, and the surprisingly interesting lore from the first two generations has clearly been thrown out the window. As an example - remember how Mew contains the DNA of all Pokemon and was heavily implied to be the original Pokemon? How is Arceus the creator of the universe if Mew came first and has his DNA? Isn't Mew suppose to be capable of doing any move possible? Wouldn't that make Mew capable of creating universes too? Can Mewtwo do this, since he's a clone of Mew? The plotholes thicken...

- It really does seem like there's way too many Pokemon these days - especially in a series about collecting them all (yet spreading them across 3 games per generation plus the event exclusives). If I were a betting man, I'd bet that it'd be impossible to actually collect them all at this point. Truth is, I'd probably be knocked on my ass if someone could actually name them all in order entirely from memory.

- The anime sucks. It always has and always will. Same for the movies, except for maybe the Entei / Unknown movie. Maybe.

- Never really got into the card game or even learned how to actually play it. Still don't know to this day.

 

[Atmos Duality]

I didn't make any broad generalizations in my topic though.

Just the topic title. But fine.

I have acknowledged that this isn't everyone who likes Generation 1 only.

I see that you have now. Whether that's an edit or not, I do not know.
But I don't recall seeing it in the OP the first time. Maybe I misread.

It's there now, so..fine.

After repeating this cycle for 13 years I'm just wondering- why continue to complain? Why not just move on?

The answer is simple: They're fucking idiots who can't grow out of an elitist mindset.
That's literally all there is to it.

I say that because after complaining about Generation 2, 3, 4...they're just going in circles about a company who left their particular niche a long time ago, and just need to learn to let go.

They clearly still care. You clearly still care. It's unbelievably hypocritical to condemn them for still caring about Pokemon when you do as well.

And once again, someone changes the context of an argument just to try to call someone a hypocrite on the internet.

In order for the OP to be a hypocrite, s/he would have to be whining about Generation 1 and then complaining about those who whine about Generation 1.

Incidentally, Someone really needs to create a phrase that concisely describes the "If you're complaining about complaining, you're a hypocrite" bullshit, because even outside of the Hypocrite Fallacy, that kind of argumentation fails logically.

(it cannot be hypocrisy if the complaints are about DIFFERENT THINGS.
Or do they not teach Subject-Predicate in school anymore? Direct Object?)

See, I don't understand why people love slinging the term "hypocrite" around.
A hypocrite argument is a fallacy. It attacks the person making the argument and not the argument itself.

My guess is that they treat it as an insult that won't invoke mod wrath, much like how "Entitled" is frequently misused.

Anyway, your accusation of hypocrisy is completely unfounded, considering that you're accusing Dragonbums of hypocrisy for common ground that you've found and then projected onto him/her.
By that logic, you're a massive hypocrite because you used the English language to make your complaints. Why not? That's some other common ground I just found.

 

[ItsNotRudy]

I guess I'm a first genner, but I've played subsequent games with much joy, when significant changes were still being pushed (EV/IV system, Natures, hold items etc) and played later gens competitively. Now I don't feel as interested in it anymore. Other than bad 3D graphic implements and small usability changes there's no real evolution (GIGGIDY) in it. A lot of Pokemon are just bad versions of another. I also found the main game to be rather simplistic. They should add a difficulty. Obviously there are a lot of tactics to be had, even the AIs can execute certain movesets and combos well as seen in those subway battles in B/W. If only the game were challenging like that more often. Certain gym leaders are tough if you don't grind or happen to not have a type suited to fight them (ugh Whitney's Miltank with Rollout fml) but these aren't really tactical decisions.

 

[Dragonbums]

*Snip*

*Le sigh* Really, another thread along the lines of "Somebody criticizes something I like. Do you agree with me that they're just a bunch of haters?"

To answer the OP's question: People complain about the new generations because - le gasp! - they do not like them. It's really as simple as that. There's absolutely nothing wrong with complaining about or even flat-out hating a work of art (which videogames and cartoons do qualify as), so long as you're willing to explain exactly why in a logical manner. Contrary to popular belief, most people known as "haters" (oh how I loathe that word) have very valid issues with said work of art (or artist even) and will go into great detail explaining exactly what their issues are and why they feel the way they do about it, so long as they're asked in a calm, polite, and rational manner (No namecalling or personal attacks, for example). The whole "hating something just to hate" thing is not nearly as common as some would like to believe.

The fact that you made this thread, worded it the way you did in particular, and even labeled the opposition with a term specifically meant to mock them and make them look bad (Genwunners? Really?) makes it not only seem like you have not heard their arguments out at all, but are far more interested in condemning and insulting them rather than trying to have a serious discussion on the matter. In other words, this thread wasn't made for a civil discussion, but merely to lash out at those you disagree with.

Now I know I'm being a bit of an asshole here, but I'm absolutely fed up with this notion that people don't have a right to complain and having even legitimate arguments being covered up with blanket "Their just haters / jealous / whiners / complainers / entitled / etc" statements that are riddled with fallacies and designed to kill any serious discussion on a topic. Whether it be over ME3, Equestria Girls, Twilight, ICP, SecuROM even; there's always seems to be someone who simply wants to convince everyone that the critics have no legitimate arguments and that they should not be heard out period. This attitude isn't limited to the interwebz either, as the mainstream rap scene has proven time and time again (and I'm saying this as a fan of rap T-T ).

To put it bluntly, people do not under any circumstances have to like the new generations and they fully have the right to complain from the mountaintops about every new generation if they wish. It doesn't matter at all if it's just one person or 500 million, they have all the right in the world to ***** and criticize as much as they please. You wanna poke holes in their arguments, then that's wonderful and I'm seriously not being sarcastic when I say that. After all, the very foundation of a civil discussion is based on poking holes in other people's logic while they poke holes in yours in the hopes of becoming more knowledgeable. However, all you did was degrade the opposition and make assumptions left, right, and center. Only once did you address any of the quite numerous reasons people consider the new generations crap (the "unoriginal" argument). The rest of the time was - ironically - you complaining about how bad complainers were and how they shouldn't complain.

One final note - as for your whole "13 years" spiel, have you ever thought that maybe they still are passionate about Pokemon - just as you are? They clearly still care. You clearly still care. It's unbelievably hypocritical to condemn them for still caring about Pokemon when you do as well. Just because they don't like what the series has become doesn't change that in the slightest, nor does it make their opinions less valid than yours.

Now that my rant there is over, I'll wrap this up with my opinions on Pokemon then crash. I've been typing this for far too long:

- G2 was the best.

- G1 was unbalanced and glitchy as all fuck, though still fun. It definitely had a better Elite 4.

- G3 was the last that I played (don't think I beat it, though I did get to Kyogre and Groudon). I didn't like the shift in the gameplay mechanics and the new Pokemon seemed very haphazardly designed and overall boring. G1 did a really good job at sticking most Pokemon to a theme, such as rock monster or water serpent, and G2 kept up with that for the most part. G3, not so much. I did play and beat Fire Red and Leaf Green, however.

- Haven't played G4 or beyond, as I've lost interest outside of maybe picking up the G2 remakes. The designs seem even sillier from what I've seen, and the surprisingly interesting lore from the first two generations has clearly been thrown out the window. As an example - remember how Mew contains the DNA of all Pokemon and was heavily implied to be the original Pokemon? How is Arceus the creator of the universe if Mew came first and has his DNA? Isn't Mew suppose to be capable of doing any move possible? Wouldn't that make Mew capable of creating universes too? Can Mewtwo do this, since he's a clone of Mew? The plotholes thicken...

- It really does seem like there's way too many Pokemon these days - especially in a series about collecting them all (yet spreading them across 3 games per generation plus the event exclusives). If I were a betting man, I'd bet that it'd be impossible to actually collect them all at this point. Truth is, I'd probably be knocked on my ass if someone could actually name them all in order entirely from memory.

- The anime sucks. It always has and always will. Same for the movies, except for maybe the Entei / Unknown movie. Maybe.

- Never really got into the card game or even learned how to actually play it. Still don't know to this day.

I think I'm going to address your rant first.

First and foremost, I never stated that one is not allowed to show their distaste for the newer generations. I have said myself in my first post that I dislike Generation 4 in general. I made no insults or lashing out to those who happen to like Generation 4. As for the labels, I did not label the particular group I'm talking about as "Genwunners" I only stated that term ONCE in the original post to emphasize how it's so prevalent in the Pokemon community that other members have coined that term for that specific demographic of old Pokemon fans. Further more, there are plenty of people commenting in this thread that stated they like Generation 1, and you didn't see me go in there and call them "Genwunners" did you? No. I didn't. Because like I said in my original post, I have no problems with people disliking the new generations. What I did have a problem with is the same people basically flooding various forums relating to Pokemon about how the new generation is crap before so much as giving it a chance. Usually picking out the 5 worst designs of said generation and making them the "face" of said gen.
You completely twisted this thread into something you deemed as a "hate" thread. If this were truly a "hate" thread it would be locked by now, and I would've received a warning or suspension by a mod. I am not condemning anyone who likes Generation 1 out of all the other gens. I am not insulting them for liking Generation 1 over all of the generations. To make an extension of that, nobody else on this thread is going on a Generation 1 hate fest. Nor are they hating on those who came on this thread and stated that they just think Generation 1 is the best. Then you say I'm not looking at the full conversation here. I've been watching these conversations happen for years now. One can critically analyze a generation and dislike it without being biased about it. Many criticized Generation 5 for having an Icecream and a trash bag Pokemon, while still acknowledging that some designs from first generation were just as bad.
To say that I am attempting to stifle one's ability to complain and disagree with me on this thread is an outright lie. I have never lashed out on anyone on this thread that has a different opinion than me.

Now for the second part of your reply

If you feel that Generation 2 is the best than fine by me. Why should I care? I wasn't having a competition about which generation was the best or the worst.
If you grew out of those games, then fine. That's logical. I even addressed that in my original post. People grow up and lose interest in childhood games. I have no problem with that. Why would anyone have a problem with that?

I think it's universally agreed upon that the anime after Johto is garbage.
I never collected the Pokemon cards, and I don't think I've ever meet anyone outside the internet that actually knew how to play the card game. I personally only collect them for the art.

 

[TehCookie]

The people with it from the beginning had to cope with the most change, and you know how gamers react to change. I hate how many there are, it's just too many to remember and catch them all.

 

[Dragonbums]

I guess I'm a first genner, but I've played subsequent games with much joy, when significant changes were still being pushed (EV/IV system, Natures, hold items etc) and played later gens competitively. Now I don't feel as interested in it anymore. Other than bad 3D graphic implements and small usability changes there's no real evolution (GIGGIDY) in it. A lot of Pokemon are just bad versions of another. I also found the main game to be rather simplistic. They should add a difficulty. Obviously there are a lot of tactics to be had, even the AIs can execute certain movesets and combos well as seen in those subway battles in B/W. If only the game were challenging like that more often. Certain gym leaders are tough if you don't grind or happen to not have a type suited to fight them (ugh Whitney's Miltank with Rollout fml) but these aren't really tactical decisions.

If Pokemon never went random wi-fi I personally would only keep track of the series through Bulbapedia. I only really stick around for the competitive game play, and to enjoy catching new Pokemon. Pokemon added a "Hard" mode in their B/W 2 versions, however they did it the wrong way. You have to unlock it. If you get Black 2 then your good. You just have to beat the game and that's it. However if you have White 2 you need to connect with someone who has Black 2 and has beaten the game to unlock hard mode on yours.
It's also pretty weak too. It's not like the AI get complex or anything. It's just that NPC Pokemon are 5 levels higher than they are supposed to be.

 

[SD-Fiend]

Sure you can have new "hybrids" such as fire and ghost or something but after 151 it just gets a bit silly, for example: Just how many "god" pokémon are there now?

One. Arceus. The rest are either incredibly rare (Zapdos and other trio Pokemon) or unique (in personality and power).

Isn't there like deoxis or something, then there is the ulitmate regi dude, the ones on the front of the black and white games, what about oh ho or something ... first seen in the first series of pokémon.

Like I said/implied I'm not up to date with all the names and such but it seems with every new gen there is a god tier.

Deyoxys is a very powerful pokemon that came from space. Regigigas appears in legend as a titan that moved the continents and represents the Mesozoic age. Reshiram and Zekrom are powerful pokemon that can help shape the destinies of the trainers they choose to help. And all Ho-oh does is fart rainbows.

Arceus is the only "god" pokemon since it can literally bring life from nothing, whilst the others are rare, powerful creatures that are thought to only exist in myths similar to Cu Cuchulain or Hercules.

 

[Toxic Sniper]

People grew out of it and the series did not grow up with them. Compare the Harry Potter book series, where the books instead got more complicated and dark as the fandom got older.

Pokemon is a fairly childish franchise, and it always has been. However, I frankly don't care. It's not bad to like something made for children; video games in general are just fancy toys, and we like those. Pokemon also is one of those video games you can use as a canvas to play however you want it. Do you like to power game? Train an absurdly powerful metagamed team and do the Battle Subway/Tower/Whatever. Enjoy a challenge? Try a Nuzlocke run. Like working around a theme? Do a single-type run (I did this for Firered with bug types, and it was tons of fun). The possibilities really are endless, and the kiddy elements like simplistic storyline or cartoonish designs or bad dialogue don't have to bog down such an experience for you.

I'll also say this: Generation 5 is probably my favorite generation. There is a ton of creativity in the designs (except for those darn monkeys) and they're not afraid to go to weird inspirations. In gen 5, we've got pokemon based on the Nazca hummingbird, ice cream, lampreys, a sarcophagus, mites, dividing cells, waterfowl, garbage bags, kabuki theater, vultures, the yin and yang symbol, hermit crabs, ants, anteaters, vine camouflage snakes, centipedes, cotton bolls, seasons, snail-eating beetles, gothic fashion, gargoyles, etc. Even the ones that are retreads of previous generations tend to use inventive sources; Woobat is based on the Honduran white bat, which actually does look like a little cotton ball with wings.

Sure you can have new "hybrids" such as fire and ghost or something but after 151 it just gets a bit silly, for example: Just how many "god" pokémon are there now?

[/quote]Depends on what sort of god. If you mean a legendary figure in charge of a certain part of nature, you've got tons of those. These are more close to pagan deities than any real single god. Note that Regigigas and Deoxys are decidedly not these; Regigigas is a golem, while Deoxys is an alien. In fact, none of the pokemon from generation 5 are gods (Although the genie trio are references to three deities of storms, lightning, and fertility).

If you mean something that is supposed to be God, you've got Arceus and that's it.

 

[SD-Fiend]

*Snip*

- Haven't played G4 or beyond, as I've lost interest outside of maybe picking up the G2 remakes. The designs seem even sillier from what I've seen, and the surprisingly interesting lore from the first two generations has clearly been thrown out the window. As an example - remember how Mew contains the DNA of all Pokemon and was heavily implied to be the original Pokemon? How is Arceus the creator of the universe if Mew came first and has his DNA? Isn't Mew suppose to be capable of doing any move possible? Wouldn't that make Mew capable of creating universes too? Can Mewtwo do this, since he's a clone of Mew? The plotholes thicken...

- It really does seem like there's way too many Pokemon these days - especially in a series about collecting them all (yet spreading them across 3 games per generation plus the event exclusives). If I were a betting man, I'd bet that it'd be impossible to actually collect them all at this point. Truth is, I'd probably be knocked on my ass if someone could actually name them all in order entirely from memory.

Mew=Adam. Arceus creates the universe then creates Dialga and Palkia to give time and space meaning. it then creates Humans and creates Uxie, Azlef and Mesprit to give them thought,willpower, and emotion and leaves mew as a codex for it's potential powers. mew then eventually becomes (almost) every other pokemon. Just because they made mew before Arceus doesn't mean Arceus didn't come first lore wise.
And if you really care about the lore then you should have played gen 4 it. it has books explaining the creation myth behind the universe and some nonsense about how ancient people lived and why pokemon hide in tall grass. And it's a good thing you aren't a betting man since you would've lost in an instant. I've caught them all on separate cartage's and once I finish trading i'll have caught them all in both White and White 2

 

[omega 616]

Sure you can have new "hybrids" such as fire and ghost or something but after 151 it just gets a bit silly, for example: Just how many "god" pokémon are there now?

One. Arceus. The rest are either incredibly rare (Zapdos and other trio Pokemon) or unique (in personality and power).

Isn't there like deoxis or something, then there is the ulitmate regi dude, the ones on the front of the black and white games, what about oh ho or something ... first seen in the first series of pokémon.

Like I said/implied I'm not up to date with all the names and such but it seems with every new gen there is a god tier.

Deyoxys is a very powerful pokemon that came from space. Regigigas appears in legend as a titan that moved the continents and represents the Mesozoic age. Reshiram and Zekrom are powerful pokemon that can help shape the destinies of the trainers they choose to help. And all Ho-oh does is fart rainbows.

Arceus is the only "god" pokemon since it can literally bring life from nothing, whilst the others are rare, powerful creatures that are thought to only exist in myths similar to Cu Cuchulain or Hercules.

Some of those sounds pretty god like to me, "help shape the destinies of the trainers" and "moved the continents" for example.

Just nipping into the wiki or bulbapedia or whatever, "The legendary creators of the Pokémon universe" , "represent the spirit of all consciousness" , "Said to have shaped the land and sea" , "the embodiment of the planet's boiling core" , "has the ability to purify areas instantly and bring plant life in abundance" etc.

They all sound pretty god like, are you telling me that it isn't god like to create the pokémon universe? Which has been given to Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina ... apparently.

 

[go-10]

I'm a first gen player and have played Ruby, Black, and White 2
And I don't get the hate for the new generations, they make some stupid choices (garbage bag, Pulse/Minum, Pichu, etc.) but overall each generation improves upon the last so as it's been stated, Gen 1 defenders just have their nostalgia goggles on too tight

 

[SD-Fiend]

Sure you can have new "hybrids" such as fire and ghost or something but after 151 it just gets a bit silly, for example: Just how many "god" pokémon are there now?

One. Arceus. The rest are either incredibly rare (Zapdos and other trio Pokemon) or unique (in personality and power).

Isn't there like deoxis or something, then there is the ulitmate regi dude, the ones on the front of the black and white games, what about oh ho or something ... first seen in the first series of pokémon.

Like I said/implied I'm not up to date with all the names and such but it seems with every new gen there is a god tier.

Deyoxys is a very powerful pokemon that came from space. Regigigas appears in legend as a titan that moved the continents and represents the Mesozoic age. Reshiram and Zekrom are powerful pokemon that can help shape the destinies of the trainers they choose to help. And all Ho-oh does is fart rainbows.

Arceus is the only "god" pokemon since it can literally bring life from nothing, whilst the others are rare, powerful creatures that are thought to only exist in myths similar to Cu Cuchulain or Hercules.

Some of those sounds pretty god like to me, "help shape the destinies of the trainers" and "moved the continents" for example.

Just nipping into the wiki or bulbapedia or whatever, "The legendary creators of the Pokémon universe" , "represent the spirit of all consciousness" , "Said to have shaped the land and sea" , "the embodiment of the planet's boiling core" , "has the ability to purify areas instantly and bring plant life in abundance" etc.

They all sound pretty god like, are you telling me that it isn't god like to create the pokémon universe? Which has been given to Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina ... apparently.

Well the way I see it Arceus is a higher status than the rest. Yes Dialga And Palkia control time and space (Giratina doesn't seem to actually do much) so they can count as gods but Arceus is the god since it created them and gave them the task of keeping the universe stable. Most of the rest seem to be personifications of nature itself and whilst powerful are not gods. They are still praised by the people with maybe one old guy remembering who they are and a humble shrine left for them out in a secluded forest.
most of them are powerful and unique pokemon but not quite gods. as I said before they seem more like the legends of ancient folklore than actual straight up gods.

 

[suntt123]

Just nipping into the wiki or bulbapedia or whatever, "The legendary creators of the Pokémon universe" , "represent the spirit of all consciousness" , "Said to have shaped the land and sea" , "the embodiment of the planet's boiling core" , "has the ability to purify areas instantly and bring plant life in abundance" etc.

They all sound pretty god like, are you telling me that it isn't god like to create the pokémon universe? Which has been given to Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina ... apparently.

I love the pokemon mythology, every new gen adds something cool to it too...

Mew was originally the only non-legendary and were very numerous, but they eventually evolved into the non-legendary pokemon (I mean real evolution, not the wierd pokemon thing), eventually cloned into Mewtwo. They are now very rare.

Kyogre expanded the sea, and Groudon, the land but they started bickering so Rayquaza was created to calm them down. Shaymin caused plants to grow.

After that, Regigigas towed the continents into place and created Regirock Regice and Registeel to represent the stone age, ice age and metal ages respectively.

Reshiram and Zekrom were originally a single dragon that belonged to an emperor who ruled Ancient Unova. He divided his kingdom between his 2 sons and the dragon split itself to accommodate the emperor's sons. Reshiram represented his elder son who sought the truth, while zekrom represented the younger, who pursued his ideals. The sons waged war against each other and they (and their dragons) were thought to be destroyed.
Kyurem is thought to be the dead, frozen remains of the emperor's original dragon.

Most of these pokemon were sealed, presumed destroyed away or went into hiding in some way shape or form away during ancient times after they were finished with whatever they were doing. Those who weren't were just very rare or elusive.

I could go on.... but basically:

From what I've gathered most of the legendaries are sort of reverse Greek titans. Rather then coming before the gods and being slain and overthrown by them, Arceus made them to create the universe for him and left them to live out their lives after it was all finished. His departure is presumed to be the beginning of recorded history in the poke-verse, which explains why so many legendaries are regarded as myth or folklore

[/super poke nerd]

 

[chozo_hybrid]

Snip.

They are still weirder then those, but I never said Gen 1 had no weird Pokemon.

 

[Colt47]

Gen 1 player here, I grew out of the games after silver. They don't appear to have evolved much to me, so gave me no reason to play the new ones. That said, some of the new Pokemon are pretty friggin weird, an ice cream? A fridge and lawn mover? Seem a bit silly, but so is the whole premise. That said, I've never really complained.

Peoples favorites tend to be their first, not always, but most of the time. A lot of people would have started then, so that would prob answer your query.

Yeah I think a lot of left after gold and silver. Nothing changes in each iteration and the games basically reset all the players progress to zero upon each update. If it didn't I'd still be playing with my level 100s and my A-Team from the original Red version. To be fair the same thing has happened with other games as well: Call of Duty, Halo, Sports games, pretty much anything that keeps updating itself, but never changes much.

 

[Lunar Templar]

Aren't fans of G1 anything like this? Pretty sure that some one out there thinks G1 Transformers is the best transformers, even though Transformers Prime is probably the best series thus far.