Why can't i play Nazi's?

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SnowCold

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ryuutchi said:
k3v1n said:
as much as I agree with you, in most games you can play as a Soviet and, actually, Stalin was on par with Hitler in being a Tyranical bastard who also killed(probably killed more than Hitler to be precise)
Yes, but Soviet Russia doesn't have the same emotional impact as Nazi Germany-- Stalin may have killed millions of people but it was because he had issues with political dissidents, for the most part anyway. He's not known for having creating an entire section of government to deal with the bureaucracy of ethnic cleansing. There's a difference between a tyrant killing people because he's a crazy bastard and a government setting up an efficient method of killing particular members of society due to their ethnic, religious or social background-- and, unsurprisingly, therefore, there's a difference in how we remember those regimes.

Ygfi said:
something to add, morst likely repeating something.

almost no one actually knew what was going on in germany (camps)
there was the whole propaganda machine and stuff, not to mention most soldiers arn't at home, there at WAR.

the soldiers stood for germany, not the NAZIs. do you americans, stand for america, or do you stand for guantanimo bay? (don't deny it)
if your not american, you should know better anyway.
I would argue that, yes you can say that American soldiers are supporting and defending a regime that has committed war crimes and thus they are, in a sense, the bad guys of the scenario. I'd like to point out, however, that the Holocaust is kind of another order of magnitude from Gitmo. Holding people without is trial and torturing them is barbaric, but it's not exactly KILLING ALL THE JEWS.

Also, I would like to point people who think that regular Germans weren't culpable to The Night of The Long Knives and the serious anti-Semitism going on in Germany at the time.
For the last time, the germen knew about it, they were glad about it, cause everybody hated the jews back then, even the glourise Allies, and infact, before setting up the camps, hitlers asked every other contry (maybe except America, IDK) if they wan't to harbor all the jews, so the will be their problom, no one excepted. the Allies didn't fight to save the jews, they just fought to save them selfves, the jews were just happened to be saved.
 

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BWAHAHAHAHAHA! No offense but whoever made this thread is an idiot. Who would market a game to play as the Nazi's during WW2? No seriously. Answer that question for me and then I'll retract my previous statement about you being a absolute idiot.
 

ryuutchi

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SnowCold said:
For the last time, the germen knew about it, they were glad about it, cause everybody hated the jews back then, even the glourise Allies, and infact, before setting up the camps, hitlers asked every other contry (maybe except America, IDK) if they wan't to harbor all the jews, so the will be their problom, no one excepted. the Allies didn't fight to save the jews, they just fought to save them selfves, the jews were just happened to be saved.
That said, the Jews ended up saved. No thanks to the Germans, there.

Yes, the Allies were screwed up too-- I can name a dozen different incidents where they could have saved Jews but didn't-- but they are still the side that dismantled the death camps, and therefore no one's really going to side with the Germans about all of this unless they're crazy racists. Thus, not wanting to play as Nazis in a video game.
 

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Has anybody ever played Battalion Wars 2? It contains a colorful collection of European/Asian nation look-alikes (All of which are stereotyped for comic relief.) At one point, you do get to be the badguys (Who appear to be Nazis) Probably wrong
 

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Like you said many were forced into it, but many were also highly supportive of it.
And of course if you put political and ethical issues aside there wouldn't be a problem, but you can't put them aside, so there's no discussion to be had tbh.

I don't think it'd sell well anyway, couldn't see myself buying it really.
 

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Sebass said:
AngloDoom said:
If Mass Effect got put on the News for four seconds of blue ass, then that kind of game would probably be responsible for the resurrection of Saddam Hussein in the media's view.
Well, afaik sex is more of an issue in the US then violence is .. (I always found that very strange .. )

OT: There are a few games that DO let you play as the nazi's but those are always multiplayer games of multiplayer modes of regulae games (MOH MP, COD MP, BF MP, .. )

Anyway, apart from creating outrage, which I think won't be that much, there's also a problem storywise: playing a game where you know you WILL lose the war would feel a little pointless. Sure there are a several major battles that you'll win, but after a certain point in the war you'll lose. Imagine a game where your mission is accomplished by getting yourself shot ..
Yeah I think the games name was COD4, But still I would love to play a game where you play the german army it would great to play from there side also the quotes I could use...

Me:OMG!
M8:What?! what is it?
Me:ermm I just shoot my great granddad
m8:Holy f*$%

Wow what fun, and I know that even though the german army loses maybe as the germans begin to lose you'll change charecters. And hell why end with the nazis we could play as the red army during ww2 and insted of being a Yank be a red army soldier at pearl harbour and then be the vieatnam soldiers and use gurriela tactics and when the media doesn't blow everything out off proportion we could play as Al-kahieda or however you spell it, but as long as the majority sre idiots we shall never see the day. Sad isn't it.
 

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SlickShot said:
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! No offense but whoever made this thread is an idiot. Who would market a game to play as the Nazi's during WW2? No seriously. Answer that question for me and then I'll retract my previous statement about you being a absolute idiot.
I'd market it, i'd buy it and i'd play the game, cause unlike you im not an idiot, the nazis are an untapped resource in the eco sytem of gaming.
 

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Why don't we make a game where we play as German soldiers first? It's a little early to be playing a member of the Nazi party when we have very few games where we play as part of the Wehrmacht.
 

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Mojave said:
We have all seen the many many MANY WWII games in which we play as either the allies or the sovjets. But why are there so few games in which i can play as the Nazi's?

The ethical/political discussion aside, war is hell, for both sides. The Allies weren't fighting demons, the Axis suffered a great deal as well. And i think it's about time we gave Hans in the trench a little bit more of a human face.
Loads of games allow you to play as the Axis forces sure its only multiplayer like
"Day of defeat" but really a single player game can't excatly have you as the axis force because they lost unless they forget historical accuracy.
 

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Psychosocial said:
But games where you rob cars, fuck prostitutes and kill random people on the street sell? ;)
Next time I play GTAIV I'll make sure to look out for the side mission titled 'kill six million Jews and try to take over the world'

Sure killing prostitutes is bad, but WWII is on an entirely different level of bad.
 

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Glefistus said:
Mojave said:
i think it's about time we gave Hans in the trench a little bit more of a human face.
I agree, both sides of my family fought for the Nazi regime, and media like "Inglorious Bastards" makes me want to strangle the writers, I can guarantee most of the Nazi soldiers were either indoctrinated ot did not want to fight for the regime at all, but rather were forced.
Firstly, you shut up. That movie's going to be awesome.

Secondly, and more on topic... How would you make the game? Would you emphasize the Nazis not really wanting to fight, but killing Jews anyway? It wouldn't sell. Literally and figuratively. Regardless of how you want to argue it, the troops not having a choice and the like, no one wants to play as a hypocrite. The only way it could work is if it were about the Nazis breaking away and deserting, essentially defeating the whole purpose.

Why the hell does anyone want to play as a Nazi anyway? What's the attraction?
 

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JimmyBassatti said:
Woah there buddy. Your making the Axis seem like the giant bad guys. The Russians were pretty brutal, too. I'm just going to stick with my opinion, and i'd love to play as a Nazi. I get tired of playing as Joe America and Vlad Russia. At least let us play as a different country if we can't be Axis :p
How about Steve English, or Sanja India or John Turk? There are hundreds of stories and armies that a WWII shooter can be based on. Why on god's earth you'd want to play as a Nazi is beyond me. How can you possibly want to succeed?

Ygfi said:
right, even if the source is right, i'm sure there's no realy way to accurately measure war crimes. if we're going by civilian deaths, i suspect america is the highest casualty rate.

and just because the NAZI party had the largest number of seats does not mean they had the majority of public support. a lot of corruption was happening around then. (wasn't it made a drime to be a member of the opposing faction anyway?)

and the resistence to the NAZIs was low for many reasons. and it wouldn't "Appear" unless people were willing to get themselves killed just to protest.
quite simply put, when it comes down to us vs. them, and being them gets you killed and us gets you treated more like a proper human, you go with us.
a gun to your head will generally stop any resistance. heres a hypothetical: i've got a gun, you've got... a rock. i tell you that if you throw the rock at some other guy, i'll give you some cake; but if you throw the rock at me, i'll f***ing kill you.
tell me what you do with the rock?
and public protest was asking to be shot. i'm not going to explain it more than this because it'll involve digging up phychological stuff.
What an unbelievable load of bollocks. If the history of resistances has taught us anything, its that people are willing to die for what they believe in with relative enthusiasm versus a well oiled army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Partisans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Home_Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Forces_of_the_Interior
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Resistance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Resistance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Resistance

Using your own analogy. "That guy says if I don't do what he say's he'll me." "Fuck him, there's more of us and its our country." Resistance. It just wasn't that present in Nazi Germany, especially considering there were relatively high ranking military officers that could have organized it.
 

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Mojave said:
We have all seen the many many MANY WWII games in which we play as either the allies or the sovjets. But why are there so few games in which i can play as the Nazi's?

The ethical/political discussion aside, war is hell, for both sides. The Allies weren't fighting demons, the Axis suffered a great deal as well. And i think it's about time we gave Hans in the trench a little bit more of a human face.
I have asked myself this a million times
 

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JimmyBassatti said:
rossatdi said:
JimmyBassatti said:
Woah there buddy. Your making the Axis seem like the giant bad guys. The Russians were pretty brutal, too. I'm just going to stick with my opinion, and i'd love to play as a Nazi. I get tired of playing as Joe America and Vlad Russia. At least let us play as a different country if we can't be Axis :p
How about Steve English, or Sanja India or John Turk? There are hundreds of stories and armies that a WWII shooter can be based on. Why on god's earth you'd want to play as a Nazi is beyond me. How can you possibly want to succeed?
Because, I'd like to play as a Nazi. Or even a Japanese soldier. I just get tired of playing the "good guy". And, like you said, even playing as an Indian soldier, a Turkish soldier, whatever. Just give me something that isn't American or Russian. What about the Yugoslavians? Or, the Romanians [if we got to play as an Axis troop]. Or the Bulgarians. Maybe the Australians?
These aren't the 'good guys' in a story. The German and Japanese forces committed unbelievable atrocities across the board. Why do you want to play as a Nazi, whats the draw?