Why Dishonored 2 doesnot have corvo as sole protagonist?

[Elijin]

I want my games to be badass. you know?

beside corvo is now voiced by one who voiced garrett from thief. it would be so much better to develop corvo as sole protagonist instead of making story about a princess emily.

Considering you can let Emily die, the sequel shouldn't have had her as a main. Besides, a princess becoming a badass assassin to claim her thrown is dumb. I would have preferred an original character over both.

absolutely. emily is princess. its like cinderalla become badass warrior lol

kinda sad stephen russel voicing corvo yet corvo is not focus of the game story. he should have been next Garrett from thief. way to ruined a potentiall.

I'm baffled that people still think youre seeking actual discussion. Half your content in this thread boils down to 'But she's a girrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl. Girrrrrrrrrrrrls aren't coooooooool. And a princess! The girliest!'

Choices don't hurt the situation. And being a dime-a-dozen silent grizzled manly man who dresses in black does not an iconic character make.

Unrelated, I bet you're a Reaper main in Overwatch.

 

[chrissx2]

I see no problem with that. More gameplay options is a plus. Voice acting is not a big deal for me either.

 

[Zhukov]

The most interesting 'character' to me was the freaking heart. I pointed that damn thing at everything and everyone just because I liked the weird little things it used to say.

Oh yeah, I loved that thing. Especially when it told you sympathetic facts about random guards.

"Right then, so I'll stab that guy, cut off his arm and throw it at..."
"When off duty he searches the drowned district for his sister, missing two weeks now."
"... I mean, I'll knock out that guy and stash him somewhere the rats can't find him then shoot that guy on the balcony...
"He has taken to feeding a stray dog each evening. He named her Billy."
"... with a tranq dart, blink up there and drop-stab the guy on the first floor...
"He has a lady friend as ugly and brutish as himself, but they are kind to each other."
"Oh god damnit."

It's back for the sequel too. And now you can use it on unconscious people (which sounds minor but it always annoyed me that you couldn't knock someone out and before finding out whether or not they deserved to be thrown into the nearby piranha pond.)

 

[Elijin]

Snip.

Princess Mononoke, Wonder Woman, Xena, as well as dozens of examples across cultural folklore [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_warriors_in_folklore]

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

How is that dumb? If she's been deposed (presumably by violence) then there's a pretty short list of ways she can get her throne back and basically all of them require violence. Making her a playable character just means she's getting her own hands dirty instead of convincing other people to get their hands dirty for her.

Realistically, she'd have underground rebels fighting for her, forbidding her from getting herself in danger, since she is vitally important. Like in Hidden Fortress. She would be learning about politics and her royal duties instead.

Well we have a 15 year gap between the first and second game; I see no reason that lessons on realpolitik and the duties of a royal couldn't be balanced with throat-stabbing, crossbow shooting and neck-snapping training. I'd be shocked if after the death of her mother at an assassin's hand she didn't want to learn to protect herself so if her bodyguards drop the ball and it falls to Emily to give the would-be killers a dagger up the strap herself, she can.

 

[Bombiz]

Considering you can let Emily die, the sequel shouldn't have had her as a main. Besides, a princess becoming a badass assassin to claim her thrown is dumb. I would have preferred an original character over both.

absolutely. emily is princess. its like cinderalla become badass warrior lol

kinda sad stephen russel voicing corvo yet corvo is not focus of the game story. he should have been next Garrett from thief. way to ruined a potentiall.

@B-Cell you know that guy was also saying that Corvo was a dumb character. He would rather a completely new character. Male or Female.

 

[happyninja42]

Considering you can let Emily die, the sequel shouldn't have had her as a main. Besides, a princess becoming a badass assassin to claim her thrown is dumb. I would have preferred an original character over both.

absolutely. emily is princess. its like cinderalla become badass warrior lol

kinda sad stephen russel voicing corvo yet corvo is not focus of the game story. he should have been next Garrett from thief. way to ruined a potentiall.

You think a princess raised by Corvo wouldn't know how to kick ass? You think, after the events of the first game, that Corvo didn't put her on a strict ass kicking regimen for years, so that she could defend herself? You're loony if you think otherwise. Corvo literally brought down an empire's totalitarian regime to save her, and put her back on her rightful throne. To think that "teaching the girl how to fight" is going too far is just...silly.

OT: They made Emily a character because Corvo doesn't have any focus now. Before, it was his story of revenge and redemption, now, it's Emily's turn to have revenge, after being dethroned.

 

[the December King]

If you don't like the idea of games presenting characters that challenge conventional gender roles, just don't play them.

Choice is cool. I personally don't like the idea of kick-ass ninja-assassin princesses myself, so I don't buy games that feature just them, nor do I play them. But, I am totally on board about them existing, and the fact that others might enjoy this in their escapism is totally cool.

 

[ErrrorWayz]

If you don't like the idea of games presenting characters that challenge conventional gender roles, just don't play them.

Choice is cool. I personally don't like the idea of kick-ass ninja-assassin princesses myself, so I don't buy games that feature just them, nor do I play them. But, I am totally on board about them existing, and the fact that others might enjoy this in their escapism is totally cool.

Is it even that challenging in 2016? A woman as a violent hero is pretty commonplace. If anything it's the "oh I'm so progressive, look at me playing a woman" that is annoying about this trend for gender naval gazing.

 

[sageoftruth]

I love people whining about the scary feminists come to ruin their hobby by having characters that don't adhere to strict archetypes that match their own limited worldview.

Yes. I'm coming for your games. All of them. It is too late to run. It has already begun.

Fear us.

Not muh male power fantasies! Ruined, everything is rooined!

I feel tempted to make a new thread out of this. I'd love to see how far we can parody this farce.

 

[Bombiz]

. Assassin would be silly.

Wait what's wrong with her being an assassin? Wasn't she tought by Corvo?

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

. Assassin would be silly.

Wait what's wrong with her being an assassin? Wasn't she tought by Corvo?

Because of what I said later.

Realistically, she'd have underground rebels fighting for her, forbidding her from getting herself in danger, since she is vitally important to their cause. Like in Hidden Fortress. She would be learning about politics and her royal duties instead.

If no one will fight for her, why the hell is she trying to reclaim her throne?

Someone mentioned she could learn her duties in the fifteen years between the games, but there are other problems.

Also, assassinating would make it much harder for her to be supported by her people. Prowling and murder is looked down on. There's no way the rebels, if there are any who support her, would risk this identity getting out. There's no need for her to get her hands literally dirty.

Okay, I gotta ask; why are these details so important to adhere to realism while the entire game world is a steampunk power fantasy? Why does magic and psychic talking clockwork hearts and silent protagonists who refuse to defend themselves by just speaking, all get away with the realism criticism, yet a woman's ability and motivation for being an assassin is somehow the breaking point? I am completely and utterly baffled here.

 

[sageoftruth]

What have we here?

What sorcery is this!? A female protagonist fighting alongside a male one? Clearly we have underestimated the feminists. They have meddled in our games for far longer than we expected. There is simply no other explanation. Hurry and remove that woman before she dilutes the badassery of our gaming experience.

(Sorry. Couldn't resist)

 

[the December King]

If you don't like the idea of games presenting characters that challenge conventional gender roles, just don't play them.

Choice is cool. I personally don't like the idea of kick-ass ninja-assassin princesses myself, so I don't buy games that feature just them, nor do I play them. But, I am totally on board about them existing, and the fact that others might enjoy this in their escapism is totally cool.

Is it even that challenging in 2016? A woman as a violent hero is pretty commonplace. If anything it's the "oh I'm so progressive, look at me playing a woman" that is annoying about this trend for gender naval gazing.

It's definitely not a surprise turn of events anymore, I'll grant you, to have a competent warrior woman character. Being able to let everyone choose a sex for their character is a nice feature, especially if it serves the story being told, or the type of game that is being played.

 

[The Artificially Prolonged]

To answer the question: Because it's a good idea, because it makes sense, because it gives you a choice between the two, because their different ability set adds variety and replayability, and because it's pretty freaking cool.

Now stop stirring up shit. This thread is a clear example of shit-stirrerery. Someone come close it.

Could not put it any better. This female protagonist equals feminist pandering and pc gone mad bollocks is beyond parody and just gets more sad and pathetic as it goes on.

 

[Saelune]

Why does it even have Corvo at all? Dishonored 1 made it seem pretty clear Corvo's tale was over.

You dont need Corvo for it to be Dishonored. The Outsider is the only character that needs to be recurring.

 

[totheendofsin]

honestly I'm disappointed it has Corvo in it at all. His story ended in Dishonored 1, and all the gameplay videos I've seen make it look like Emily is more interesting to play as.

So I have to ask why does Dishonored 2 not have Emily as the sole protagonist? is the because they're too afraid of men not buying the game because "teh femalez!!11!!1!"

The answer to your question, and my rhetorical question are actually the same. They went the dual protagonist route because they wanted to.

 

[Xprimentyl]

I don?t mind Emily as a protagonist and greatly appreciate the variety on offer. And no, including her in the game as a playable character is not indicative of any sort of social justice agenda; I can feel myself getting dumber trying to wrap my head around how/why anyone would think that. #SteppedInTrollDroppings

Seems like the devs might be trying to address the issue many had with the last game wherein it was sold as a ?choose your play style, stealth or open combat? type game, but there was a lack of incentive to play stealthily as most of the powers you unlock are lethal and a lot of fun to use making the stealth option little more than an exercise in restraint. Personally, I found both playthroughs enjoyable in their own right, but I?m hoping in the sequel with two protagonist and two different motivations, they?re able to pull the stealthy and open combat styles apart more distinctly and make both clearly viable and justifiable options.

If I had any issue with the sequel, it?d be their choice to voice Corvo. It?s not a deal breaker by any stretch, just feels incongruous to suddenly give voice to a silent protagonist. But I guess bringing in Emily (voiced in the first game,) they had to make a choice, mute her or voice him, and they went with what made the most narrative sense.

. Assassin would be silly.

Wait what's wrong with her being an assassin? Wasn't she tought by Corvo?

Because of what I said later.

Realistically, she'd have underground rebels fighting for her, forbidding her from getting herself in danger, since she is vitally important to their cause. Like in Hidden Fortress. She would be learning about politics and her royal duties instead.

If no one will fight for her, why the hell is she trying to reclaim her throne?

Someone mentioned she could learn her duties in the fifteen years between the games, but there are other problems.

Also, assassinating would make it much harder for her to be supported by her people. Prowling and murder is looked down on. There's no way the rebels, if there are any who support her, would risk this identity getting out. There's no need for her to get her hands literally dirty.

Okay, I gotta ask; why are these details so important to adhere to realism while the entire game world is a steampunk power fantasy? Why does magic and psychic talking clockwork hearts and silent protagonists who refuse to defend themselves by just speaking, all get away with the realism criticism, yet a woman's ability and motivation for being an assassin is somehow the breaking point? I am completely and utterly baffled here.

Ha! Nothing like pure fantasy grounded in mundane realism; like listening to Dick Cheney read the transcripts to furry porn or something.

 

[MrCalavera_v1legacy]

If it was any other person behind this thread, i'd be tempted to call out baiting.

But since it is you, my friend, i'll leave a honest answer: To extend playerbase, i guess?

Now i didn't play Dishonored so i don't really care about the sequel, but there's one thing i'd like to nitpick here: Couldn't they feature a new female protag that isn't a princess? Wouldn't that Emily character be occupied with more important stuff, more suitable for a person in her position?
Like, iunno, governing shit, or not endagering your bloodline?
Unless there are some important lore details i don't know.

 

[Erttheking]

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You do know that the assassinating is a recent development right? She doesn't sneak out of the palace to kill people, she's just trained. Corvo easily could've just given her sword lessons, and it was established in the previews she she's athletic because she snuck out at night to go running on the rooftops as her way of unwinding.