Why do Jocks get away with it?

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endnuen

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emeraldrafael said:
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Second of all, take up some sort of martial art, it helps relieve stress, anger and it allows you to snap a wrist next time someone starts a fight.
Now if they told him not to do Archery (or suggested it) why would they be cool with him learning Karate, since the common misconception is once you learn it, you turn into Jackie Chan?
Because the first thing you learn is that when you know how to fight, you don't.
Which basically translates into; If you don't hit me, I won't break you.
As for the misconception, it only serves to help the situation no? If you think someone is able to smash you to bits, you don't start at fight with them.

Also, it's good for the mind, soul and body.
 

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Generic Gamer said:
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Were they really doing that for no reason? Like, honestly no reason, you didn't backchat them or call them stupid did you?
It is 7th grade. Everyone is a monster.
It's just my experience that very few things happen in isolation. It's also my experience that a lot of teenagers aren't particularly good at realising what signals they're giving off.
True, we really aren't. Really most of us are social idiots. (See? Am I being sarcastic and mean or serious and wise for my age?)

He said he had been bullied for the better part of his school career, so it had been an ongoing problem.

emeraldrafael said:
endnuen said:
Second of all, take up some sort of martial art, it helps relieve stress, anger and it allows you to snap a wrist next time someone starts a fight.
Now if they told him not to do Archery (or suggested it) why would they be cool with him learning Karate, since the common misconception is once you learn it, you turn into Jackie Chan?
Perhaps he should take up the school newspaper and criticizes the unfairness in ever more subtle ways. Who knows, it could become an ongoing joke between him and his friends. You may just end up being good at it. :p

DarkSoldier84 said:
I suggest the Ender Method.
I believe that counts as murder in more than one case.

Edit: And no "Spanish Pride" to help him.
 

Vault boy Eddie

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People who can't kill will always be subject to those who can. That's a quote from Generation Kill, same holds true with bullies, it's a sad fact, and people don't seem too worried about rectifying it. As you wrote, they chalk it up as boys being boys, when what they are demonstrating is borderline sociopathic behavior. The people that defend these bullies are the same ones that will blame movies and games when one of their victims loses it and kills someone. They are quick to blame these things because they would otherwise have to admit that they had a hand in what happened by not stopping the bullies before it happened.
 

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Damn Im really sorry about that man, I can to a small extent relate, I was never hurt but I could tell half the time I was being mocked, unfortunetly for me though I just went into a state of no emotions or opinions for years, I dont have to be like that anymore since Ive been out of high school for a while now, but it was terrible.
 

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So's Archery. I know about Karate and the rules of it. I took a year (it just wasnt for me. I was more meditation in Zen through thought rather then exercise) so I got to learn all about that. But that usually is just exploited. And how many people when they think about Karate thing "he cant hit me if I dont hit him first". The way the school would see it is, "hunh... they've beaten the hell out of this kid, now he's turning to Jackie Chan. He's not supposed to hit them but anger clouds the mind and decisions. Yeah.... lets put a stop to this." I'm not saying its right, or that its a definite, but I'm just saying, you can see what I mean, right? Thats why the misconception would hurt him too. He'd be (viewed as by the administration) a danger to everyone. And you're going to let him walk the halls? With football players who think if there is enough of them, or if they have bricks (which is BS, and I believe give you full right to brass knuckle one of those pussies, but thats neither here nor there and nothing something I'm telling you to do, just smething I've seen growing up on the streets) that they could easily take him.

And then what? THe Principal will have to see its self defense when the police make a report because 4 jocks are lying broken in the streets, so he'll have to punish the Jocks with a worse extension then the OP (unless its not on school grounds, which I dont think it would be, but lets just say it is), and then you have the football program fall apart and dissention in the ranks.
 

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I feel I should note I have been in a similar situation. Won't go into details though. Tried taking up karate. Didn't help.

Don't hurt them, just go to the media. If that fails, like it did for me, move on, things tend to calm down in 9th and 10th grade and by 11th and 12th they are all realizing that they don't have many choices in terms of careers short of cop or gym teacher since they never gave much thought to it. (Blegh, shoehorned into two incredibly boring professions)
 

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Have a concealed switch blade and stap their knees next time they try something, that's sure gonna stop em from being jocks.

On a more serious note: get someone to film as others said and take it to the court, the teachers are morons who still live in the 1980's ''jocks are best'' idea and will see them as the kindest and smartest kids no matter what happens.
 

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Stabber1010 said:
emeraldrafael said:
endnuen said:
Second of all, take up some sort of martial art, it helps relieve stress, anger and it allows you to snap a wrist next time someone starts a fight.
Now if they told him not to do Archery (or suggested it) why would they be cool with him learning Karate, since the common misconception is once you learn it, you turn into Jackie Chan?
Perhaps he should take up the school newspaper and criticizes the unfairness in ever more subtle ways. Who knows, it could become an ongoing joke between him and his friends. You may just end up being good at it. :p
And let him Print slander of the Football players? I dont think so. He wouldnt be allowed to mention the athletic program unless its reverence of god like behavior.
 
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Because there is too much inter-school competition in the USA. If they weren't on the team winning the games then they'd be kicked out just like you. If the USA wants to stop bullying then they need to pull their fingers out their arse and do something about this sort of organisation. Team sports are fun and a little competition is healthy, but it's not worth some poor kid getting bullied.
 

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OK, let's look at this situation logically:

You've tried responding to bullying by doing nothing. That didn't work, as they keep doing it.

You've tried responding with violence. That didn't work, as the authorities don't take the bullying seriously, which means they threw the book at you for violently overreacting.

The only thing that worked was threatening a lawsuit. The next time anything like this occurs, do that again. You should be able to raise an awful stink for the school administration if you're in a public school - check out this link [http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2010/12/30/395287ndstudentlawsuitsettlement_ap.html] for one of the many bullying lawsuits that established a systematic pattern of school authorities ignoring a problem.
 

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emeraldrafael said:
Stabber1010 said:
emeraldrafael said:
endnuen said:
And let him Print slander of the Football players? I dont think so. He wouldnt be allowed to mention the athletic program unless its reverence of god like behavior.
Dude, slander is wonderful when you're the only person that gets to laugh about it because it is subtle and done with tact.

I am a terrible person.
 

Jonluw

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This kind of stuff baffles me. I've never heard about such incidents where I live. The only cases of violence I can remember were cases where the attackers were punished; and they were most certainly not the popular kids. I remember in elementary school, this girl was pushed down a flight of stairs, but this wasn't done by jocks. The people who did these things were the people who huffed spray cans and stuff.

The school system here is different though. By grade 11, all the students have to apply for different schools, so the jocks'll go to jock-schools, and the nerds'll go to schools with high academic standards and nice, tolerant people (where I am now). You have no idea how much nicer people are in this school than they were at the school I went to in grades 8 through 10.
 

deathbydeath

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hate to rain on your post, but it's probably because you were threatening his life, as opposed to simply beating someone up, but hey, i'm a ginger, so my opinion is probably invalid.
 

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That sounds fucked up. Would have never happened in my School, we don't give students priviledges here because they're in a football team.

But then again,bullying happens everywhere. Welcome to the public school system, it's shit most of the time.
 

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once i got to the part where you choked the quarterback, i thought "this guy's definitely a badass..."

imo, its worth getting suspended, considering that jock was probably scared shitless of you after that.


anyway, jocks get special treatment just about everywhere, only its much worse where you live.

here, jocks get to leave class and go wherever they want, while the rest of us are stuck actually learning things.
 

deathbydeath

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Robyrt said:
OK, let's look at this situation logically:

You've tried responding to bullying by doing nothing. That didn't work, as they keep doing it.

You've tried responding with violence. That didn't work, as the authorities don't take the bullying seriously, which means they threw the book at you for violently overreacting.

The only thing that worked was threatening a lawsuit. The next time anything like this occurs, do that again. You should be able to raise an awful stink for the school administration if you're in a public school - check out this link [http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2010/12/30/395287ndstudentlawsuitsettlement_ap.html] for one of the many bullying lawsuits that established a systematic pattern of school authorities ignoring a problem.
no. just no. don't be a pussy, just deal with whatever crap gets thrown your way, but please, no more lawsuits.

EDIT: if you're in need of money, though, disregard the above
 

endnuen

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emeraldrafael said:
endnuen said:
So's Archery. I know about Karate and the rules of it. I took a year (it just wasnt for me. I was more meditation in Zen through thought rather then exercise) so I got to learn all about that. But that usually is just exploited. And how many people when they think about Karate thing "he cant hit me if I dont hit him first". The way the school would see it is, "hunh... they've beaten the hell out of this kid, now he's turning to Jackie Chan. He's not supposed to hit them but anger clouds the mind and decisions. Yeah.... lets put a stop to this." I'm not saying its right, or that its a definite, but I'm just saying, you can see what I mean, right? Thats why the misconception would hurt him too. He'd be (viewed as by the administration) a danger to everyone. And you're going to let him walk the halls? With football players who think if there is enough of them, or if they have bricks (which is BS, and I believe give you full right to brass knuckle one of those pussies, but thats neither here nor there and nothing something I'm telling you to do, just smething I've seen growing up on the streets) that they could easily take him.

And then what? THe Principal will have to see its self defense when the police make a report because 4 jocks are lying broken in the streets, so he'll have to punish the Jocks with a worse extension then the OP (unless its not on school grounds, which I dont think it would be, but lets just say it is), and then you have the football program fall apart and dissention in the ranks.
Is sports really such a big issue in the states?
If so I really feel sorry for you guys living there..

Also, it's not realistic in any sense that you can take on 4 guys unless you have extensive experience with combat.
But one act of defiance with the result of a broken nose on such a tosser should be enough to discourage any further beatings. Especially if he is told it was his own fault.