Why do people hate mainstream?

[rockingnic]

Honestly, I never liked Dane Cook as a comdian/actor, I like him more if was an actor/comedian because then I'd see why his material is average.

 

[Grampy_bone]

Business model is usually to NOT do something stupid. EA seems to not follow that general rule, though. They'd make alot more money if they actually got their act together. They have much room for improvement.

You would be surprised. Most successful companies build a well-oiled, efficient system for doing the dumbest things possible, but it only seems so from the outside. To them everyone is doing their job; i.e. covering their own ass and passing the buck to some other department. This is how successful companies, such as oh say, I don't know, Sony's Playstation department, turn a runaway success like the PSX and PS2, and then make the collosal abortion that is the PS3 oh god I shouldn't have said that *makes crucifix with fingers to ward off Sony fanboy-vampires*

 

[zoozilla]

People like thinking that they're better than other people.

When you think about, that's the answer to a lot of questions about human behavior.

 

[Julianking93]

Yes we should :b

 

[Pendragon9]

Business model is usually to NOT do something stupid. EA seems to not follow that general rule, though. They'd make alot more money if they actually got their act together. They have much room for improvement.

You would be surprised. Most successful companies build a well-oiled, efficient system for doing the dumbest things possible, but it only seems so from the outside. To them everyone is doing their job; i.e. covering their own ass and passing the buck to some other department. This is how successful companies, such as oh say, I don't know, Sony's Playstation department, turn a runaway success like the PSX and PS2, and then make the collosal abortion that is the PS3 oh god I shouldn't have said that *makes crucifix with fingers to ward off Sony fanboy-vampires*

Ah, so despite the mistakes EA makes, me disliking them is not okay, yet making a crack at the PS3's expense is just fine?

And you call me the fanboy. Ironic.

 

[Roamin11]

Cuz I'm afraid that if I support the mainstream ideas, all original ideas will dry up and disappear.

 

[meatloaf231]

A few reasons, but two main ones.

One, people like to feel different or better than others.
Two, people may not like being associated with everyone else who likes whatever thing is concerned.

 

[Dragon Zero]

I've always asked my self that for quite a while and then I realized that some people just like feeling like they are origional for hating something. Other times they are just not impressed and Gamers tend to be an annoyingly vocal lot in their opinions. There are a number of reasons but really if you like something then the views of others shouldn't get to you.

 

[Mullahgrrl]

I dont know, why do people hate EA?

Good reason for that actually. They take good franchises and kill them, they rehash the same sports games over and over again, they often show blatant bias against certain consoles or just deny consoles good things in general, etc.

Would you like to take your pick?

Anyway, people hate Mainstream because sometimes mainstream can be overhyped to the point where they think something can cure cancer when it can barely treat a cold. The thing in question may be good, but it might not be worthy of all the praise. That's where the hate comes from.

Well all i know is their sales figures speak for themselves. If you hate them for making money then hate every other company for the same reasons, isnt that the point of a business model?

We do not hate EA for making money, we hate them for making games.

 

[Delicious]

Being different makes them feel special.

Pretty much sums it up.

"You are unique, just like everyone else".

 

[Grampy_bone]

Business model is usually to NOT do something stupid. EA seems to not follow that general rule, though. They'd make alot more money if they actually got their act together. They have much room for improvement.

You would be surprised. Most successful companies build a well-oiled, efficient system for doing the dumbest things possible, but it only seems so from the outside. To them everyone is doing their job; i.e. covering their own ass and passing the buck to some other department. This is how successful companies, such as oh say, I don't know, Sony's Playstation department, turn a runaway success like the PSX and PS2, and then make the collosal abortion that is the PS3 oh god I shouldn't have said that *makes crucifix with fingers to ward off Sony fanboy-vampires*

Ah, so despite the mistakes EA makes, me disliking them is not okay, yet making a crack at the PS3's expense is just fine?

And you call me the fanboy. Ironic.

Err, pardon me, but maybe I didn't make myself clear. I was trying to agree with you. Yes, EA is dumb and does dumb things. I agree with you there. I made the Sony reference only for the sake of argument as an example.

The part I disagreed with is how you said "business model is to not do stupid things." On the contrary, the accepted business model is often to do exactly stupid things, as much as possible, until the company fails. For more examples: the American auto industry, the mainframe computing industry (destroyed by PCs, which they considered toys), the American steel industry, the MP3 player market (destroyed walkmans and cd players), etc.

 

[Vyacheslav]

The problem is that a bad game becomes that much more difficult to ignore when it's mainstream. Halo and Half-life are crap, but if they hadn't become mainstream, other games wouldn't have so desperately tried to emulate them. As it is, they pretty much wrecked the FPS genre which I really used to like. Same thing with RPGs: Baldur's Gate -series were some of the best games I have ever played, and then along came the craptastic display known as Knights of the Old Republic, and boom, that's another genre down the drain (and, yes I know they were both made by Bioware. That only makes the pain worse, not better).

Actually I think most games I like were mainstream at the time I got into them, but the unwashed masses have since drifted away from them, and suddenly I'm an indie gamer. Which isn't to say that mainstream games of today are necessarily bad. I think the GTA series is great, and that's about as mainstream as Dan Brown. Of course the PC-versions of those games are horrible, the latest being completely broken, but hey, consoles are the mainstream now, so that's to be expected.

Still wondering why some people are just a bit frustrated with the mainstream, and just might be a bit vocal about it?

 

[floppylobster]

Some people can recognise someone pushing the boundaries of art and enjoy that, other's just like to enjoy their lives with some light distraction. Neither approach is wrong, it's just down to whatever gets you through life. I can understand why people would like either, I don't believe in hating on one or the other.

 

[iJosh]

I was watching Dane Cook (yes I'm a fan) and I began wondering why people suddenly began to hate him so much once he became mainstream.

The same with Halo. It was praised and then became really popular and people turned against it.

Same with music, anime, movies, tv shows. If people do like it they won't admit it to others, because they're... idk afraid of people's opinion of them?

Why are people so against mainstream? Please tell me your opinion!

Because people always feel the need to be 'Different'. Makes them feel cool.

I just point and laugh. I like what ever I like. Dane cooks actually pretty good. He's dumb and funny.

 

[Pendragon9]

Business model is usually to NOT do something stupid. EA seems to not follow that general rule, though. They'd make alot more money if they actually got their act together. They have much room for improvement.

You would be surprised. Most successful companies build a well-oiled, efficient system for doing the dumbest things possible, but it only seems so from the outside. To them everyone is doing their job; i.e. covering their own ass and passing the buck to some other department. This is how successful companies, such as oh say, I don't know, Sony's Playstation department, turn a runaway success like the PSX and PS2, and then make the collosal abortion that is the PS3 oh god I shouldn't have said that *makes crucifix with fingers to ward off Sony fanboy-vampires*

Ah, so despite the mistakes EA makes, me disliking them is not okay, yet making a crack at the PS3's expense is just fine?

And you call me the fanboy. Ironic.

Err, pardon me, but maybe I didn't make myself clear. I was trying to agree with you. Yes, EA is dumb and does dumb things. I agree with you there. I made the Sony reference only for the sake of argument as an example.

The part I disagreed with is how you said "business model is to not do stupid things." On the contrary, the accepted business model is often to do exactly stupid things, as much as possible, until the company fails. For more examples: the American auto industry, the mainframe computing industry (destroyed by PCs, which they considered toys), the American steel industry, the MP3 player market (destroyed walkmans and cd players), etc.

That sounds pretty out there. Where's the profit in that? And since Microsoft is fixing their mistakes, are they technically doing the accepted business model, or are they actually doing good?

Ugh. I'm confused.

 

[Grampy_bone]

Microsoft isn't fixing anything. They are a billion dollars in the hole from red rings. They are fleeing upmarket (moar grafixth, moar h4rdw4re) and trying to compete with the last place while ignoring the true threat. Xbox live, as good as it is, only appeals to a niche market which cannot support Microsoft long-term.

What has Mircosoft done right? Achievements. MS bet that even though they had the "weaker" console it would be "good enough" for most gamers while offering the advantage of achievements. Sony realized this mistake and tried to counter it with Trophies but it is probably too late.

Consider this: in every generation the "weakest" console tech-wise has always won. What does that tell you?

 

[dontworryaboutit]

Microsoft isn't fixing anything. They are a billion dollars in the hole from red rings. They are fleeing upmarket (moar grafixth, moar h4rdw4re) and trying to compete with the last place while ignoring the true threat. Xbox live, as good as it is, only appeals to a niche market which cannot support Microsoft long-term.

What has Mircosoft done right? Achievements. MS bet that even though they had the "weaker" console it would be "good enough" for most gamers while offering the advantage of achievements. Sony realized this mistake and tried to counter it with Trophies but it is probably too late.

Consider this: in every generation the "weakest" console tech-wise has always won. What does that tell you?

I love how we got here from Dane Cook.

 

[megapenguinx]

I never liked Dane Cook or Halo that much. I was not a fan of the Xbox back then and was a huge PS2 fanboy. Dane Cook, I just don't find that funny

 

[Cowabungaa]

Mainstream means that it appeals to a lot of people, and because it does that it means that it has something that a lot of people like. And because people are always so different, there are only a few common interests, therefor a mainstream game will never be really creative. But then again, as Yathzee says, something can always be populair simply because it's good.

I never liked Dane Cook or Halo that much. I was not a fan of the Xbox back then and was a huge PS2 fanboy. Dane Cook, I just don't find that funny

Funny thing is, is that if any console was the mainstream one back then, it was the PS2. Heck it still is.

 

[megapenguinx]

Mainstream means that it appeals to a lot of people, and because it does that it means that it has something that a lot of people like. And because people are always so different, there are only a few common interests, therefor a mainstream game will never be really creative. But then again, as Yathzee says, something can always be populair simply because it's good.

I never liked Dane Cook or Halo that much. I was not a fan of the Xbox back then and was a huge PS2 fanboy. Dane Cook, I just don't find that funny

Funny thing is, is that if any console was the mainstream one back then, it was the PS2. Heck it still is.

So does that make me a fanboy of the mainstream?
Hooray for rebelling by going with the popular!