Why Do People Like Batman So Much?

HoneyVision

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Mainly because he's not a wanker like Superman.

Batman is just more realistic and isn't overtly perfect or farfetched. Audiences like a little bit of association.
 

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Xdeser2 said:
Because he's actually a character, with motivations and shortcomings

and it also helps that he's had the only REALLY good superhero movies
Bullshit. Iron Man.

OT: I like him, but he's a tad overrated.
 

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Kenbo Slice said:
Xdeser2 said:
Because he's actually a character, with motivations and shortcomings

and it also helps that he's had the only REALLY good superhero movies
Bullshit. Iron Man.

OT: I like him, but he's a tad overrated.
Oh shit, I forgot about Iron Man and the Avengers 0_o

Honestly, thank you for reminding me, lol I have no idea how that slipped my mind....
 

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Jack the Potato said:
I like Batman, but he's not my favorite superhero. Rarely does a writer seem to be able to write Batman well. Either they try too hard to be gritty and realistic (which ultimately fails since he employs children as crimefighters and he shares a universe with aliens, zombies, magicians, and Plastic Man), or they make him too campy (which also fails because Batman has a tragic backstory and is supposed to be serious in character). It's a difficult balance to meet, though Batman: TAS succeeded almost totally.

Batman fans are also insufferable. Many of them assert Batman can beat literally anyone in the DC universe (and beyond) single-handedly with enough planning, yet praise him for having no superpowers and being "realistic." Ugh. First off, Batman is outclassed by many, MANY characters in the DC universe and has absolutely no chance against them without help. You think gadgets can beat Darkseid? Yea, no, fuck you if you dare say that. Superman for that matter could kill Batman with little more than a glance from miles away if he wanted to. Kryptonite isn't a factor unless Supes is close, and even then, it doesn't diminish his powers. He's fought through it before (like, every time he fights Metallo).

So yea, Batman is really no better than any other superhero, he's just had a good run of TV shows and movies lately. His popularity is higher than ever, but it will only stay that way until another terrible Batman movie gets made.
I agree. But my personal favorite version of Batman is the run Grant Morrison did a while ago (when Dick Grayson took over after Bruce got sent back in time.) That shit was good.
 

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Xdeser2 said:
Kenbo Slice said:
Xdeser2 said:
Because he's actually a character, with motivations and shortcomings

and it also helps that he's had the only REALLY good superhero movies
Bullshit. Iron Man.

OT: I like him, but he's a tad overrated.
Oh shit, I forgot about Iron Man and the Avengers 0_o

Honestly, thank you for reminding me, lol I have no idea how that slipped my mind....
Ha you're welcome. The Avengers was a fantastic superhero movie as well. It was waaaaaay better than TDKR.
 

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Kenbo Slice said:
Jack the Potato said:
I like Batman, but he's not my favorite superhero. Rarely does a writer seem to be able to write Batman well. Either they try too hard to be gritty and realistic (which ultimately fails since he employs children as crimefighters and he shares a universe with aliens, zombies, magicians, and Plastic Man), or they make him too campy (which also fails because Batman has a tragic backstory and is supposed to be serious in character). It's a difficult balance to meet, though Batman: TAS succeeded almost totally.

Batman fans are also insufferable. Many of them assert Batman can beat literally anyone in the DC universe (and beyond) single-handedly with enough planning, yet praise him for having no superpowers and being "realistic." Ugh. First off, Batman is outclassed by many, MANY characters in the DC universe and has absolutely no chance against them without help. You think gadgets can beat Darkseid? Yea, no, fuck you if you dare say that. Superman for that matter could kill Batman with little more than a glance from miles away if he wanted to. Kryptonite isn't a factor unless Supes is close, and even then, it doesn't diminish his powers. He's fought through it before (like, every time he fights Metallo).

So yea, Batman is really no better than any other superhero, he's just had a good run of TV shows and movies lately. His popularity is higher than ever, but it will only stay that way until another terrible Batman movie gets made.
I agree. But my personal favorite version of Batman is the run Grant Morrison did a while ago (when Dick Grayson took over after Bruce got sent back in time.) That shit was good.
Oh yea, definitely. Batman being light-hearted and laid back and Robin being serious and down-to-business? Good stuff. Kind of a shame it didn't stick, but ya know, god forbid they ever progress storylines.
 

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Jack the Potato said:
For real. I've always liked the dynamic of Dick/Damian more than Bruce/Damian. Didn't on one occasion Damian said he liked Dick better? It's a shame
THEY KILLED DAMIAN!
 

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Among other things, it's because he's probably alot more human than most other comic heroes. Punisher's human, of course, but he strikes me as a real vigilante, a merc with several chips on his shoulder no different than any soldier with a slew of weapons. Batman is a rich boy who doesn't waste our fucking time being a stupid rich boy. As Bruce Wayne, he's a billionaire with altruism in his blood, which we'd prefer more rich people were in real life. As Batman, he is many things.

He's a different style of crimefighter in that he's also classic for having been around a long time. You cross the masked mystery man who uses the shadows to his advantage with someone who has also studied hard in detective work and backs it up with resources to make it all work, so that people believe that he is maybe not even human, that he's all-seeing and terrifying to behold. Half of the dark knight's work is through criminals being too AFRAID to commit crimes, all by putting on a rubber suit and swinging around a bit. You can't get that intimidation with a gun-toter.

This is not to say that the Punisher is bad. He's clever, he's got the equipment, and he's frigging deadly. But to any person he meets, he seems human. Batman made his reputation making people think he was MORE than human. And then when they finally figured out that he was just a man, he caught them off guard by being a hella-smart man, a well-disciplined and trained man, a man who uses the unexpected quite alot... In short, Bruce was always ahead of the game. Maybe it's because he had money or that he had tragedy long before Punisher to set him on the path, but he got there first and he held the lead.
 

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HoneyVision said:
Mainly because he's not a wanker like Superman.
.....I'm not sure if you know this, but one of the worst kept secrets in the DCU is that Batman is a massive twat. His worst enemy isn't the Joker, its the writers who treat him as if he's an infallible prophet and scion of awesomeness. Batman doesn't change to suit his world, the writers change the world to suit Batman and it's really obnoxious.

As for Superman, since when does being a nice guy make you a wanker? At what point did that transition occur?
 

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Because he always hit the jackpot in every industry he is in compared to other super heroes. Think of videogames. We have Batman on NES. You know the one with the killer soundtrack and wall jumping. Then we have Superman...yeah.

Have you guys seen the Mask of Phantasm. It had one of the more disturbing scenes that didn't involve hardcore violence in a cartoon. It made me say out loud "Batman/Bruce Wayne is really batshit crazy". What is even more disturbing was that I could relate to him... scary.

Also the villains.


That was one of the few shows that got better as I grew older.
 

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Garrus Vakarian is a much better Batman.

OT: I like Batman because he's a very intelligent hero, he wins his fights because he can analyse everything. He's a punchy Sherlock!
 

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You've got to be kidding me.

To start with, he's like most male aspirational role models rolled into one.

He's the worlds greatest detective. Sherlock Holmes with more technology.He goes up against far more powerful villains and holds his own in a universe with demigods because he's brilliant.

He's Zorro for the modern age, a masked man of the elite who is willing to risk everything on his insane skills to protect people.

He has more gadgets than James Bond, and more women fawning over him.

He is a ninja who goes through other ninjas like they were hardly there.

He fights modern day incarnation of Dick Tracy villians, who are all the more groteseque because Gotham is meant to be far more gritty and "real" than say Metropolis or Keystone City.

And beyond that he's a tragic character, not just because of his backstory but because nothing exists for him outside his war. Even Bruce Wayne is a mask to be donned and discarded if necessary. It's often said "so and so gives 100%" but thats BS, THIS is what giving 100% looks like. He's his own human sacrifice, everything in his life is fed into his war. It's awesome but also tragic.

Punisher is cool and all but is too obviously psychopathic to be truly interesting, he's very much a one dimensional character. Batman is deranged too but in a more subtle way. He has one foot in humanity, and one in The Batman. One foot in sanity and the other in madness.

Compare all this to Clark "I have 18 stupidly broken powers and my motivation is that I'm a nice guy and thus like helping people" Kent. The writers have to struggle to keep conflict interesting for characters like him, Green Lantern (I imagine things and there they are), Flash (I can run at the speed of light and holy hell thats overpowered) etc.

He's not a patriotic symbol or a tin soldier. He's a bitter, cynical, brilliant and ultimately heroic man. Nothing in DC comes close, nothing. Marvel is much better about slightly more complex characters.
 

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Was one of the first heroes to have a properly "tragic" backstory from my knowledge. It makes him endearing.

He's also just a normal guy. Having someone whose only advantage in life was "money" being able to grow up and go toe to toe with the supposed Man of Steel in many situations makes him relatable in a way. Y'know, that whole "man, if I had money and the same situations... I could do that."

Also because Batman.
Going to preface this with, I have basic knowledge of marvel or DC hero's.

Properly tragic backstory? Unlike superman's whole planet being blown up and losing his biological parents?

A normal guy who's only advantage is money? He is also a genius, master detective and can apparently learn at super human levels 'cos nobody can learn what he has so quickly.

From what I have heard, he hasn't really gone toe to toe with superman. Superman was holding back or batman had help of some kind ... toe to toe would be mean the two hero's going at it, no holds barred and no help, which would mean batman would be fucked.

As I said on a youtube video about this subject, batman would have to be able to block .50 cal bullets with his chin to stand a chance.

The reasons I have heard for how batman would win are just the biggest load of bull, "he would distract him" how long do you think it takes for superman to regain focus? Just goes to show that it doesn't matter how powerful you are, popularity is the strongest force in comics ... cavity plot insulation all the way!
 

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He's an alright hero, definitely not my favorite by any means, and his popularity might have something to do with his recent track record in TV shows, movies and video games.

Remember The Dark Knight? Of course you do.

Remember Superman Returns? Sorry to remind you.
 

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omega 616 said:
Properly tragic backstory? Unlike superman's whole planet being blown up and losing his biological parents?
Okay, so that's two for two. Bats and Supes were both very early, so it makes sense that they both get the attention.

omega 616 said:
hazabaza1 said:
A normal guy who's only advantage is money? He is also a genius, master detective and can apparently learn at super human levels 'cos nobody can learn what he has so quickly.
Yeah, and he started off as nothing but a kid with money. I ain't the best at comics, but I'm pretty sure Batman didn't have anything special about him when he was younger and the qualities he has as Batman were all earned by his own work.

omega 616 said:
From what I have heard, he hasn't really gone toe to toe with superman. Superman was holding back or batman had help of some kind ... toe to toe would be mean the two hero's going at it, no holds barred and no help, which would mean batman would be fucked.

As I said on a youtube video about this subject, batman would have to be able to block .50 cal bullets with his chin to stand a chance.

The reasons I have heard for how batman would win are just the biggest load of bull, "he would distract him" how long do you think it takes for superman to regain focus? Just goes to show that it doesn't matter how powerful you are, popularity is the strongest force in comics ... cavity plot insulation all the way!
Usually from what I've seen when they do fight, Batmans's whole advantage is that he's prepared for basically anything. So... krypotinte something or other probably. Again, not sure about if or when they fight, but from what I hear there's been a situation at some point where Batman's been Kryptonit-ing Superman and Supes fights back all he can but Batman wins because of his preparation.
 

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Usually from what I've seen when they do fight, Batmans's whole advantage is that he's prepared for basically anything. So... krypotinte something or other probably. Again, not sure about if or when they fight, but from what I hear there's been a situation at some point where Batman's been Kryptonit-ing Superman and Supes fights back all he can but Batman wins because of his preparation.
The only reason Batman wins is 'cos Batman is fan favorite. Superman has a suit that stop kryptonite from working, it can rip but that can hardly be a factor.

Lets see ... bullets bounce of superman, so what is batman going to do that does more damage than a gun but isn't a gun 'cos batman doesn't use guns?

Superman has superhuman speed, so not only can he dodge every one of batman's attacks he could hit batman before he could blink.

Superman has superhuman strength, so he could punch through batman with a jab.

Superman has superhuman hearing and sight, so it's not like batman could sneak up on him.

Superman process information like a super computer and he battles the smartest guy in comics (Lex Luthor) so he has to be at least smart himself, so he might not be able to outwit batman but he isn't stupid.

So what's that? Lets be generous and say superman 4, batman 1? Lets be honest, the fight wouldn't go on long enough for wit or intelligence to be a factor ... it would start like any fighting game "ready? Fight" superman would fly across the room, falcon punch batman and batmans head would explode as his eye lids were only half closed.

But no, in comics superman is a tank made out of Papier-mâché (slow and weak but looks intimidating) and batman has to win 'cos everybody loves batman. Batman will have like 12 people helping him, kryponite out the ass and superman will walk headlong into a trap, totally oblivious to everything.