TheKasp said:Well, I may sound that way but I am not anti-religious per se. I consider myself agnostic - and I am against religious institutions.dslatch said:Don't take offense but you sound a tad anti-religious. I'll say it a again. my point is good luck shaking the resolve of a believer. And so what if they research it, if they have faith they will not falter. Belief and faith do not need facts they need faith in beliefs.
NOW im off to work...
But that is not the talk here. I don't want to convince someone to throw away his beliefs - evolution does not contradict the belief in a deity, it just contradicts a small part of most beliefs that have more in common with fairytails than anything grounded in reality. What I want is to correct someone on his mistakes. Like I pointed out your false example with taste in music. Science is not a belief (even though some people may treat it like that) simply because there is evidence and experiments everyone can recreate with a few basic tools. Religion lacks those and thus a theistic belief has no groundation in facts or reality.
And I would get my kids out of a school that consideres that any kind of science class should teach creationism or ID. Both are not even close to be considered a scientific hypothesis simply because we can't test it and thus have no place in any discussion regarding science. They are not equal and should not be taught as such because this would be just a big, fat lie.
This is just a small example but: I was taught creationism and ID in school. I was taught by a religious teacher in religion-classes. Where he taught us not only the christian belief but from every mainstream religion there is: Hindu, Buddhismus, Islam, Judaismus and Christianity. And he always made clear that all those ideas (the best description for that) are just that - ideas with no basis in science. Another relgion teacher also taught biology, he lost his faith during the theology studies and considered himself atheistic. He did the same but also taught evolution in biology where it was quite a pain to hammer it in people heads that there is no such thing as micro- and macroevolution.
Displacing a kid because you do not agree with one lesson seems a tad drastic. Remember when it comes down to it your the largest influence on your kid just nudge them in the direction of whichever lesson you believe thy should accept.TheKasp said:Well, I may sound that way but I am not anti-religious per se. I consider myself agnostic - and I am against religious institutions.dslatch said:Don't take offense but you sound a tad anti-religious. I'll say it a again. my point is good luck shaking the resolve of a believer. And so what if they research it, if they have faith they will not falter. Belief and faith do not need facts they need faith in beliefs.
NOW im off to work...
But that is not the talk here. I don't want to convince someone to throw away his beliefs - evolution does not contradict the belief in a deity, it just contradicts a small part of most beliefs that have more in common with fairytails than anything grounded in reality. What I want is to correct someone on his mistakes. Like I pointed out your false example with taste in music. Science is not a belief (even though some people may treat it like that) simply because there is evidence and experiments everyone can recreate with a few basic tools. Religion lacks those and thus a theistic belief has no groundation in facts or reality.
And I would get my kids out of a school that consideres that any kind of science class should teach creationism or ID. Both are not even close to be considered a scientific hypothesis simply because we can't test it and thus have no place in any discussion regarding science. They are not equal and should not be taught as such because this would be just a big, fat lie.
This is just a small example but: I was taught creationism and ID in school. I was taught by a religious teacher in religion-classes. Where he taught us not only the christian belief but from every mainstream religion there is: Hindu, Buddhismus, Islam, Judaismus and Christianity. And he always made clear that all those ideas (the best description for that) are just that - ideas with no basis in science. Another relgion teacher also taught biology, he lost his faith during the theology studies and considered himself atheistic. He did the same but also taught evolution in biology where it was quite a pain to hammer it in people heads that there is no such thing as micro- and macroevolution.
Also a wold religions class is like driving stick, it should be a mandatory class. Say you area young christian la with his rosy cheeks and stars in his eyes, that has only been taught ID. That child's perception on that topic has been shattered and his point of view was not even worthy of a mention.