There's many alternatives. And there's a bit of a difference between just mediocrity and being average but being given a different twist on an already existing trope(because let's face it, 10k years of human history, I think, we've probably trampled nearly everything we're capable of producing, it's about the only thing we can do until another technological breakthrough inspires another story)Rebel_Raven said:I don't mind if you ramble.
Well, let me ask, who are the alternatives to these women that suffered that specific type of trauma? What women better deserve praise?
We praise who we have, and if that's about all we have, then there are no alternatives.
I can't imagine you celebrate many characters since almost everyone is mediocre in fiction, or not, and if they are above mediocre, it generally gets them into the Mary Sue/Gary Stu levels of stuff.
Faults in characters make them more relateable in general. Faults are life. We all have them.
I think I'm so used to te world as you see it, I just don't see it the same way. I'd like some insight into the way you see media.
I mean, in the last few years alone we've had the Aunt from Grimm, a traditionally male role of old master passing the torch to the next generation and herself going out fighting, Person of Interest has two female leads and a background character(sorta), all essentially the most important characters in the narrative, one that started out a bit of a Mary-Sue villianess that has since blossomed into a really fun character(who also has trauma in her past that is a bit different than the norm, a friend was kidnapped, killed, and buried in a neighbor's backyard and nobody would believe her), who falls for the other female lead, who is pretty much just a rule 63'd version of the less important male lead(and I mean that in the good way, she's just as competent if a bit more stubborn with killing being her go-to move, which is something she starts to overcome with her arc after they finished with Cavizel's and is still a traditionally male trait), and a woman finally coming to the realization that she's not anywhere near as in charge as she believes herself to be, she's little more than a pawn and is a political powerhouse despite that(again a traditionally male characteristic simply due to more politicians with her mindset being male)
Blacklist has had a whole host of good female characters. I mean, the lead has done a number of things she morally objects to but realizes needs to be done. The other lead a woman that has done far worse and doesn't flinch from doing so. Not to mention there being a whole host of female villains(which is non-traditional by itself honestly), with a fair number of them being very hands-on, along with a large number of male villains that are very hand-off(though that's in itself traditional simply due to most villains being male historically so law of large numbers and all that).
Newsroom has half the cast being women in non-traditional roles and making a point for them to break themselves out of said traditional roles if they find themselves in them. Hell, the men in that one themselves somewhat break out of traditional roles.
House had a whole load of female and male characters being non-traditional, with equal opportunity quips at morons no matter who they were or what they were going through if they were being said morons.
Michelle Rodriguez has honestly just made a career out of being the tough girl in non-traditional roles(or at least non-traditional characters in traditional roles), in the same line we had Vasquez in Aliens thirty years ago, and Pacific Rim in general, Similarly we've got Steve Carell(who I personally loathe in his comedy roles) holding the somewhat hysterical character space that was normally reserved for women, along with others, he's just the one I thought of as I'm writing this, Jamie Lee Curtis starting with your standard virgin horror movie trope and becoming a comedy actress for the most part that then had her little action stint. On the other side, we've had Schwarzeneggar slightly to overtly subverting his own roles for years, Last Action Hero, Running Man, Sixth Day, etc.
Go back even further and you've got I Love Lucy being the biggest non-traditional role both in and out of the show that still has ripples to the present day. The entire song "It's Cold Outside" and the great sequences in Neptune's Daughter being all about breaking traditional roles for both men and women. Gone with the Wind and Scarlet being the penultimate headstrong yet lazy(ish) ***** character, Rhett Butler breaking what was normally the happy ending with dumping her for good and going off on his own.
Hell, even in Jessica Jones(only saying this because it's currently the darling) Trish does more throughout the series than Jones past the first couple episodes, even being willing to die to save her friends with her bare hands when it's needed, yet she doesn't get nearly the amount of screentime she deserves and giving some measure of closure for Jones herself for her origins.
Blacklist has had a whole host of good female characters. I mean, the lead has done a number of things she morally objects to but realizes needs to be done. The other lead a woman that has done far worse and doesn't flinch from doing so. Not to mention there being a whole host of female villains(which is non-traditional by itself honestly), with a fair number of them being very hands-on, along with a large number of male villains that are very hand-off(though that's in itself traditional simply due to most villains being male historically so law of large numbers and all that).
Newsroom has half the cast being women in non-traditional roles and making a point for them to break themselves out of said traditional roles if they find themselves in them. Hell, the men in that one themselves somewhat break out of traditional roles.
House had a whole load of female and male characters being non-traditional, with equal opportunity quips at morons no matter who they were or what they were going through if they were being said morons.
Michelle Rodriguez has honestly just made a career out of being the tough girl in non-traditional roles(or at least non-traditional characters in traditional roles), in the same line we had Vasquez in Aliens thirty years ago, and Pacific Rim in general, Similarly we've got Steve Carell(who I personally loathe in his comedy roles) holding the somewhat hysterical character space that was normally reserved for women, along with others, he's just the one I thought of as I'm writing this, Jamie Lee Curtis starting with your standard virgin horror movie trope and becoming a comedy actress for the most part that then had her little action stint. On the other side, we've had Schwarzeneggar slightly to overtly subverting his own roles for years, Last Action Hero, Running Man, Sixth Day, etc.
Go back even further and you've got I Love Lucy being the biggest non-traditional role both in and out of the show that still has ripples to the present day. The entire song "It's Cold Outside" and the great sequences in Neptune's Daughter being all about breaking traditional roles for both men and women. Gone with the Wind and Scarlet being the penultimate headstrong yet lazy(ish) ***** character, Rhett Butler breaking what was normally the happy ending with dumping her for good and going off on his own.
Hell, even in Jessica Jones(only saying this because it's currently the darling) Trish does more throughout the series than Jones past the first couple episodes, even being willing to die to save her friends with her bare hands when it's needed, yet she doesn't get nearly the amount of screentime she deserves and giving some measure of closure for Jones herself for her origins.