Why do people STILL bash FFX-2?
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"I'll respect that you didn't like the game when you admit you just didn't like the game rather than it being a bad game." Really?Daedalus1942 said:
To ME Final Fantasy X-2 sucks. To ME it is a bad game. I never said that "FF X-2 is bad =fact". Taste is always subjective. That´s why i dont have to admit anything. That´s why YOU dont have to admit anything. I dont deal in absolutes. It´s all relative.
I accept the reasons why you enjoy the game and i´m actually glad someone enjoyed it. I am tolerant to other people´s taste in all sorts of mediums. I RESPECT the fact that you liked it and that you think it´s a good game. A pity you cant say the same just because i think it´s a bad game.
Responding to the original poster, this game was in fact my first experience of not only Spira, but Final Fantasy games in general. Having waded around in the shallows of gaming on the ps2, not really knowing much about it - this was my first true AAA title. And I loved it.
Yes the characters were a tad cringy, but that was part of the charm, if you got past that it was a clever, deep, sophisticated game coming from a developer who clearly knew what they were doing.
First, it created the first beautiful world I experienced in gaming. Having never played X this was my first experience of these environments so that in itself was a wonder. The combat system too I loved, many different classes for every situation. I am certain that the 'dress system' was a major contributer to XIII, the two systems handle in a very similar way.
It was also the longest game I had played up till then, demonstrating the vast amount of work that went into its creation.
Though to me the backstory mostly past me by, I was therefore able to focus on Yuna's emotional struggle to determine why these... entities that had apparently once been her friends were now attacking her. X-2 is above all a mystery story about why Spira was disintigrating.
It is also important to recognise that Yuna was also on a personal journey to come to terms with the death of Tidus. When it turns out that Tidus is linked in some way (I forget) to what is going on around them, in order to save herself and him, she must also save her world, reconcille two warring factions and defeat the machine responsible. It has been over 5 years since I played that game. I still remember most of it!
And trust me, I have a bad memory.
My overriding feeling was how much I was impressed by the world that was created. The silly outfits, Kikku's unending well of happiness, were all secondary to this second journey Yuna had to embark on. Though she is young it is clear she is tired, and wants to just lead the rest of her youth without such earth shattering problems. Even if you dont achive the 'perfect' ending by the end, she is still given that chance.
I will never forget Final Fantasy X-2, I even bought the strategy guide to get 100%... I spent 120 hours in that game, the longest I ever have. Getting 100% was a slog, and I've never done it in a game since, but I loved it.
If you can put aside your prejudices, your comparisons to brown, dull, depressing games or other Final Fantasies (they're all werid though arent they) Then you can enjoy helping Yuna help to rebuild Spira, reconcille warring factions, and reconcille her own heart.
Yes the characters were a tad cringy, but that was part of the charm, if you got past that it was a clever, deep, sophisticated game coming from a developer who clearly knew what they were doing.
First, it created the first beautiful world I experienced in gaming. Having never played X this was my first experience of these environments so that in itself was a wonder. The combat system too I loved, many different classes for every situation. I am certain that the 'dress system' was a major contributer to XIII, the two systems handle in a very similar way.
It was also the longest game I had played up till then, demonstrating the vast amount of work that went into its creation.
Though to me the backstory mostly past me by, I was therefore able to focus on Yuna's emotional struggle to determine why these... entities that had apparently once been her friends were now attacking her. X-2 is above all a mystery story about why Spira was disintigrating.
It is also important to recognise that Yuna was also on a personal journey to come to terms with the death of Tidus. When it turns out that Tidus is linked in some way (I forget) to what is going on around them, in order to save herself and him, she must also save her world, reconcille two warring factions and defeat the machine responsible. It has been over 5 years since I played that game. I still remember most of it!
And trust me, I have a bad memory.
My overriding feeling was how much I was impressed by the world that was created. The silly outfits, Kikku's unending well of happiness, were all secondary to this second journey Yuna had to embark on. Though she is young it is clear she is tired, and wants to just lead the rest of her youth without such earth shattering problems. Even if you dont achive the 'perfect' ending by the end, she is still given that chance.
I will never forget Final Fantasy X-2, I even bought the strategy guide to get 100%... I spent 120 hours in that game, the longest I ever have. Getting 100% was a slog, and I've never done it in a game since, but I loved it.
If you can put aside your prejudices, your comparisons to brown, dull, depressing games or other Final Fantasies (they're all werid though arent they) Then you can enjoy helping Yuna help to rebuild Spira, reconcille warring factions, and reconcille her own heart.
I think one of the factors that people (like myself, admittedly) take issue with, is that if you state something "is bad" then many people consider that you're trying to state an objective fact, whereas if you say "I don't like it/I hate it/It can suck my spheres" then that's more clearly being presented as a personal opinion.marcogodinho said:
I really do think there is a distinction between saying something "is bad" and saying something beginning with *I*. Unless your comment is "I think it's bad" but I'm sure you get the point I'm trying to make.
Which ones? do you mean the optional ones in via infinit or the story ones?LightspeedJack said:
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Bingo!Olrod said:
You win the internet.
He said "It's a terrible game".
That statement is in no way even remotely objective and I'm sure when he typed it, it wasn't meant to be that way either..
He didn't care who he offended with that statement until someone (myself) called him out on it.
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Damn right. X-2 was also my first real try at Final Fantasy (ignoring failed attempts at trying VII), and while there was plenty of narm... it was narm charm. I ignored the fanservice, loved the combat, was surprised by some of the storyline, some of the costumes were even kind of cool (Dark Knight/Rikku's special dressphere in particular. And I'll admit it, Vegnagun was pretty badass looking, organ aside), and was just fun. That alone was enough to keep me playing, and I do enjoy the underlying feeling of seeing the world change so much. In my experience, it's rare to find anything continuing from some major, world-changing event, things always leave off on the highest or lowest point, the aftermath seems to be a secondary concern.asgardmothership said:
X-2 manages to give us that. It's not perfect, but it's still interesting to some extent.
I understand what you mean, but that´s only valid if you believe there´s a universal standard of "good" or "bad". Every game has flaws. I think FFX-2 ´s flaws overcome its virtues, thus making it a bad game. That can be applied to almost every game.Olrod said:I think one of the factors that people (like myself, admittedly) take issue with, is that if you state something "is bad" then many people consider that you're trying to state an objective fact, whereas if you say "I don't like it/I hate it/It can suck my spheres" then that's more clearly being presented as a personal opinion.
I really do think there is a distinction between saying something "is bad" and saying something beginning with *I*. Unless your comment is "I think it's bad" but I'm sure you get the point I'm trying to make.
I´ll give you an example: I LOVE Silent Hill 2, it´s one of my favourite games. I think the story is told in a clever way with an awesome plot twist at the end, the characters are compelling and the atmosphere made me feel scared (which is the whole point of a Survival Horror game).
BUT...the controls are clunky and not intuitive at all. And while i think the story is good, someone else might say "I dont like the themes that this story explores. To me, Silent Hill 2 sucks!". I´d have to say "I get it. It´s your opinion.And it´s completely valid". Diversity of opinions and tastes are what makes the industry interesting.
See? Since "good" and "bad" are subjective, i´m totally fine with different opinions. Why shouldnt I be? I liked the game, it entertained me for hours. Nobody can take those away from me. I´d advise you to do the same. You enjoyed FFX-2...good for you! Dont let anyone tell you otherwise. Just dont expect everyone to agree with you. By creating this thread, you invited us to offer our opinions. Some will most likely be different.
But that´s cool...right?
I already answered Olrod and i guess the same answer applies to you too. Read it if you wish to do so. I just want to add that i never intended to offend anyone (and i didnt!if you read any personal offense, please quote me on that).I was giving my opinion in a forum. If you still think i was out of line, feel free to press the report button.Daedalus1942 said:
Pro-tip for everyone here: if people give you shit because you say something's bad, instead of saying you don't like it, their just fanboy fuckwits and you're under no obligation to listen. We're all stating our subjective opinions here, that's blatantly obvious to everyone, and that's precisely why we don't have to preface our every fucking sentence with "well this is just my opinion, but...". People who try to force you to water down your opinion are either a) using it as a childish method of undermining everything you say or b) are incurably dumb.
But then, that's just, like, my opinion, man.
But then, that's just, like, my opinion, man.
I actually prefer the Materia System, Its just the Skill diversity combined with the freedom of Ability development needs to be taken out of X-2, Cleaned of all that "DressSphere" Shite, and used in a more conventional sense.MaxFF7 said:
I actually liked X-2...to a degree. I liked the battle system, the environment, and looks (And who didn't! Me-ow!) but the story was just AWFUL.
...I also liked some of the music, the piano opening being my favorite.
...I also liked some of the music, the piano opening being my favorite.
Wolfenbarg said:
But then Yuna gathers the Dragon Balls and wishes Tidus back to life.
One of the advantages to the Dress Spheres was being able to change during battle. Materia had more flexibility to set up your character exactly how you wanted before the fight, but once you got in you were stuck there. Dress Spheres let you respond to enemies as you played, which (unless you were using a strategy guide) is arguably a better choice.Ninjamedic said:
I just wish they gave you more incentive to switch during battle. Once you get 1xAlch, 2xDark Knight you can annihilate most every boss.
I Understand what your saying although that being said if they intended it to be Criticized as another game they should have named it something else to be fair, Naming it like an expansion and expecting people not to compare it to what its named after is natural. just like say... comparing "Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back" to "Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped"Olrod said:
It's just gonna happen and there's no point getting worked up over it
Thats what I meant with Skill diversity, its good to someone else see the good things that X-2 did for the series, shame they were buried in shite.Amnestic said: