Why do people STILL bash FFX-2?

[Daedalus1942]

Because it's still a terrible game.

All final fantasies try to do something different.
they can't appease everyone, nor do i want them to. I love that square and now squenix doesn't give in to what people want, otherwise they would churn out boring repetitive identical rpg one after the other.
FFXIII tried something different, people didn't like it.
I don't care I quite like XIII. X-2 is no different.
Some people will like it, some won't.
I personally don't like the new one XIV, but alot of people do, so that's their opinion.

I've played the FF series since I was 6 years of age, my first game being VIII (which I still love despite all the bitching people do about it), it doesn't mean I'm right either.
X-2 terrible. you want a game that's "terrible"? Play mystic quest or Children of Mana *shudder*, then maybe you'll appreciate X-2 a little more.
-Tabs<3-

Actually, strictly speaking Mystic Quest is superior. Mostly because the game went the duration OF the game without thoroughly pissing me off. Pretty much every game after 6 managed to annoy me, 'cause that's when the series got constantly more insipid & similar.

I don't understand when people say that...
Every single game, they change the battle system and most of the game.
If ANYTHING, up until VI, most of those games were similar. I fucking hated V, but alot of people seem to like it. once again, it's all subjective.
As for the game series being similar after VI, I say you're delusional. The only two that were remotely similar would be VII and IX, and even then they're not all really that similar.
Both had incredibly fun sidequests though.
And the chocobo training in IX was so much fun.
-Tabs<3-

 

[Phoenixlight]

I didn't really like the battle system in it, if you didn't choose an attack/spell in like 3 seconds the enemy would attack you. Final fantasy X was just so much better giving you time to think about what you wanted to do.

 

[Daedalus1942]

[spoiler\]If you complete the game 100%, they actually do find you know who, because the aeons dream him back into existence and in a new game plus, he can join your blitzball team[/spoiler]The first 3 or 4 hours is all dedicated to "girl power go yeah".
The rest of the game is actually alot of fun, and the sidequests kept me entertained for hours.
It sucks I had to do 3 playthroughs before I finally got 100% but the plot involving that was well worth it.
I'm guessing you didn't even bother finishing the game, so you wouldn't know that, right?
-Tabs<3-

I played the game for way more than just 3 or 4 hours. I gave the game a chance just because it was a sequel to a game i enjoyed. I´ll admit i liked the Youth League versus New Yevon conflict and the way it would affect the game, but the whole Shuyin and Lenne plot wasnt very compelling IMHO. I disliked the mission structure, the plot wasnt getting my attention and the fact that i had to play with the tv set on "mute" really drove me away from the game.

As for the whole 100% thing you mentioned...i was unaware of this. But i wont be playing a game i dont like just so i can potentially enjoy the ending. I´m not against "girl power go yeah" games. But i do have something against changing a complex character like Yuna to a point where all that made her character interesting (the sense of honor and sacrifice that comes with the summoner role is an amazing character arc) is erased.

Just my 2 cents. Cheers

That's the thing. I think X-2 was their way of showing all the characters from the first game in a much more cheerier light.
X in many ways was very depressing.
The ending with tidus, the whole spira idea (spiral of death), sin, and the numerous people you see him kill. It was a dark fucking game.
X-2 was kind of like the lighthearted "yeah, everything turned out just fine" chapter.
Wakka's son proves this fact.
Yuna didn't have to sacrifice herself in the first game, she went against the teachings and emerged victorious. Obviously if you prove your "religion" (that's what it pretty much was in X) was wrong, surely you would become quite a bit more rebellious. This is what happened in X. I think people read way too much into X-2.
-Tabs<3-

 

[Daedalus1942]

I didn't really like the battle system in it, if you didn't choose an attack/spell in like 3 seconds the enemy would attack you. Final fantasy X was just so much better giving you time to think about what you wanted to do.

Umm... pretty sure you can alter that setting in every single final fantasy game...
Bar XI and XIV.
-Tabs<3-

 

[88chaz88]

Because it's a joke.

 

[ComicsAreWeird]

That's the thing. I think X-2 was their way of showing all the characters from the first game in a much more cheerier light.
X in many ways was very depressing.
The ending with tidus, the whole spira idea (spiral of death), sin, and the numerous people you see him kill. It was a dark fucking game.
X-2 was kind of like the lighthearted "yeah, everything turned out just fine" chapter.
Wakka's son proves this fact.
Yuna didn't have to sacrifice herself in the first game, she went against the teachings and emerged victorious. Obviously if you prove your "religion" (that's what it pretty much was in X) was wrong, surely you would become quite a bit more rebellious. This is what happened in X. I think people read way too much into X-2.
-Tabs<3-

Well...i´m glad the game worked for you then. Because my opinion remains the same, the events might make them more "cheerful" and "rebellious", but Yuna was out of character in MY opinion.FFX -2 fans must accept that.

A fan of the game asked for our opinions in a forum and we gave our opinions. Why are the fans being so defensive? You already assumed that i didnt play enough of it to make a valid opinion and that i´m reading "too much into into FF X-2". I respect that you enjoy the game...you should respect that i didnt, despite the fact that i gave it a chance.

 

[Engarde]

I don't know, it lacked Tidus, points for that....

Other than that, I remember combat flowing well enough and such, but it was some time ago that I played it and didnt play far enough in for the story to kick in.

 

[Amnestic]

Final Fantasy X-2
Genre(s): Console Role-playing Game.

Story? That don't matter.

what.

May not know this, But every game/movie that has a 'tradegy' ending post titanic, fail box-office wise.

This is categorically false. Assuming you mean the James Cameron 1997 production of Titanic and not any of the earlier incarnations, to say that every game/movie with a tragic ending failed is just laughable. Hell, you even admit that FFX had a tragic ending and it was one of the best selling FF games ever. Your own post points out your flawed argument.

 

[LightspeedJack]

I never finished it. The bosses in Act 5 were fucking impossible.

 

[Daedalus1942]

That's the thing. I think X-2 was their way of showing all the characters from the first game in a much more cheerier light.
X in many ways was very depressing.
The ending with tidus, the whole spira idea (spiral of death), sin, and the numerous people you see him kill. It was a dark fucking game.
X-2 was kind of like the lighthearted "yeah, everything turned out just fine" chapter.
Wakka's son proves this fact.
Yuna didn't have to sacrifice herself in the first game, she went against the teachings and emerged victorious. Obviously if you prove your "religion" (that's what it pretty much was in X) was wrong, surely you would become quite a bit more rebellious. This is what happened in X. I think people read way too much into X-2.
-Tabs<3-

Well...i´m glad the game worked for you then. Because my opinion remains the same, the events might make them more "cheerful" and "rebellious", but Yuna was out of character in MY opinion.FFX -2 must accept that.

A fan of the game asked for our opinions in a forum and we gave our opinions. Why are the fans being so defensive? You already assumed that i didnt play enough of it to make a valid opinion and that i´m reading "too much into into FF X-2". I respect that you enjoy the game...you should respect that i didnt, despite the fact that i gave it a chance.

I'll respect that you didn't like the game when you admit you just didn't like the game rather than it being a bad game.
You said it was a terrible game. That's your opinion, it doesn't make it fact, and clearly there were just as many people who enjoyed it as those that didn't.
It's another case of Deus Ex Invisible War. It wasn't a bad game, just most people didn't like it because it wasn't the first one.
I believe the case is the same in this instance.
It's just your opinion, doesn't make it fact.
-Tabs<3-

 

[MeMe]

I never played X but I played X-2 and I thought it was terrible. Does that help?

 

[MeMe]

Ah bollix, double post.

 

[ComicsAreWeird]

I'll respect that you didn't like the game when you admit you just didn't like the game rather than it being a bad game.
You said it was a terrible game. That's your opinion, it doesn't make it fact, and clearly there were just as many people who enjoyed it as those that didn't.
It's another case of Deus Ex Invisible War. It wasn't a bad game, just most people didn't like it because it wasn't the first one.
I believe the case is the same in this instance.
It's just your opinion, doesn't make it fact.
-Tabs<3-

"I'll respect that you didn't like the game when you admit you just didn't like the game rather than it being a bad game." Really?

To ME Final Fantasy X-2 sucks. To ME it is a bad game. I never said that "FF X-2 is bad =fact". Taste is always subjective. That´s why i dont have to admit anything. That´s why YOU dont have to admit anything. I dont deal in absolutes. It´s all relative.

I accept the reasons why you enjoy the game and i´m actually glad someone enjoyed it. I am tolerant to other people´s taste in all sorts of mediums. I RESPECT the fact that you liked it and that you think it´s a good game. A pity you cant say the same just because i think it´s a bad game.

 

[asgardmothership]

Responding to the original poster, this game was in fact my first experience of not only Spira, but Final Fantasy games in general. Having waded around in the shallows of gaming on the ps2, not really knowing much about it - this was my first true AAA title. And I loved it.

Yes the characters were a tad cringy, but that was part of the charm, if you got past that it was a clever, deep, sophisticated game coming from a developer who clearly knew what they were doing.

First, it created the first beautiful world I experienced in gaming. Having never played X this was my first experience of these environments so that in itself was a wonder. The combat system too I loved, many different classes for every situation. I am certain that the 'dress system' was a major contributer to XIII, the two systems handle in a very similar way.

It was also the longest game I had played up till then, demonstrating the vast amount of work that went into its creation.

Though to me the backstory mostly past me by, I was therefore able to focus on Yuna's emotional struggle to determine why these... entities that had apparently once been her friends were now attacking her. X-2 is above all a mystery story about why Spira was disintigrating.

It is also important to recognise that Yuna was also on a personal journey to come to terms with the death of Tidus. When it turns out that Tidus is linked in some way (I forget) to what is going on around them, in order to save herself and him, she must also save her world, reconcille two warring factions and defeat the machine responsible. It has been over 5 years since I played that game. I still remember most of it!

And trust me, I have a bad memory.

My overriding feeling was how much I was impressed by the world that was created. The silly outfits, Kikku's unending well of happiness, were all secondary to this second journey Yuna had to embark on. Though she is young it is clear she is tired, and wants to just lead the rest of her youth without such earth shattering problems. Even if you dont achive the 'perfect' ending by the end, she is still given that chance.

I will never forget Final Fantasy X-2, I even bought the strategy guide to get 100%... I spent 120 hours in that game, the longest I ever have. Getting 100% was a slog, and I've never done it in a game since, but I loved it.

If you can put aside your prejudices, your comparisons to brown, dull, depressing games or other Final Fantasies (they're all werid though arent they) Then you can enjoy helping Yuna help to rebuild Spira, reconcille warring factions, and reconcille her own heart.

 

[Olrod]

I'll respect that you didn't like the game when you admit you just didn't like the game rather than it being a bad game.
You said it was a terrible game. That's your opinion, it doesn't make it fact, and clearly there were just as many people who enjoyed it as those that didn't.
It's another case of Deus Ex Invisible War. It wasn't a bad game, just most people didn't like it because it wasn't the first one.
I believe the case is the same in this instance.
It's just your opinion, doesn't make it fact.
-Tabs<3-

"I'll respect that you didn't like the game when you admit you just didn't like the game rather than it being a bad game." Really?

To ME Final Fantasy X-2 sucks. To ME it is a bad game. I never said that "FF X-2 is bad =fact". Taste is always subjective. That´s why i dont have to admit anything. That´s why YOU dont have to admit anything. I dont deal in absolutes. It´s all relative.

I accept the reasons why you enjoy the game and i´m actually glad someone enjoyed it. I am tolerant to other people´s taste in all sorts of mediums. I RESPECT the fact that you liked it and that you think it´s a good game. A pity you cant say the same just because i think it´s a bad game.

I think one of the factors that people (like myself, admittedly) take issue with, is that if you state something "is bad" then many people consider that you're trying to state an objective fact, whereas if you say "I don't like it/I hate it/It can suck my spheres" then that's more clearly being presented as a personal opinion.

I really do think there is a distinction between saying something "is bad" and saying something beginning with *I*. Unless your comment is "I think it's bad" but I'm sure you get the point I'm trying to make.

 

[Daedalus1942]

I never finished it. The bosses in Act 5 were fucking impossible.

Which ones? do you mean the optional ones in via infinit or the story ones?
-Tabs<3-

 

[Daedalus1942]

I think one of the issues is, if you state something "is bad" then many people consider that you're trying to state an objective fact, whereas if you say "I don't like it/I hate it/It can suck my spheres" then it's obvious that it's your own personal opinion and you're not trying to claim an objective fact like "is bad".

Bingo!
You win the internet.
He said "It's a terrible game".
That statement is in no way even remotely objective and I'm sure when he typed it, it wasn't meant to be that way either..
He didn't care who he offended with that statement until someone (myself) called him out on it.
-tabs<3-

 

[Dr. Paine]

Responding to the original poster, this game was in fact my first experience of not only Spira, but Final Fantasy games in general. Having waded around in the shallows of gaming on the ps2, not really knowing much about it - this was my first true AAA title. And I loved it.

Yes the characters were a tad cringy, but that was part of the charm, if you got past that it was a clever, deep, sophisticated game coming from a developer who clearly knew what they were doing.

First, it created the first beautiful world I experienced in gaming. Having never played X this was my first experience of these environments so that in itself was a wonder. The combat system too I loved, many different classes for every situation. I am certain that the 'dress system' was a major contributer to XIII, the two systems handle in a very similar way.

It was also the longest game I had played up till then, demonstrating the vast amount of work that went into its creation.

Though to me the backstory mostly past me by, I was therefore able to focus on Yuna's emotional struggle to determine why these... entities that had apparently once been her friends were now attacking her. X-2 is above all a mystery story about why Spira was disintigrating.

It is also important to recognise that Yuna was also on a personal journey to come to terms with the death of Tidus. When it turns out that Tidus is linked in some way (I forget) to what is going on around them, in order to save herself and him, she must also save her world, reconcille two warring factions and defeat the machine responsible. It has been over 5 years since I played that game. I still remember most of it!

And trust me, I have a bad memory.

My overriding feeling was how much I was impressed by the world that was created. The silly outfits, Kikku's unending well of happiness, were all secondary to this second journey Yuna had to embark on. Though she is young it is clear she is tired, and wants to just lead the rest of her youth without such earth shattering problems. Even if you dont achive the 'perfect' ending by the end, she is still given that chance.

I will never forget Final Fantasy X-2, I even bought the strategy guide to get 100%... I spent 120 hours in that game, the longest I ever have. Getting 100% was a slog, and I've never done it in a game since, but I loved it.

If you can put aside your prejudices, your comparisons to brown, dull, depressing games or other Final Fantasies (they're all werid though arent they) Then you can enjoy helping Yuna help to rebuild Spira, reconcille warring factions, and reconcille her own heart.

Damn right. X-2 was also my first real try at Final Fantasy (ignoring failed attempts at trying VII), and while there was plenty of narm... it was narm charm. I ignored the fanservice, loved the combat, was surprised by some of the storyline, some of the costumes were even kind of cool (Dark Knight/Rikku's special dressphere in particular. And I'll admit it, Vegnagun was pretty badass looking, organ aside), and was just fun. That alone was enough to keep me playing, and I do enjoy the underlying feeling of seeing the world change so much. In my experience, it's rare to find anything continuing from some major, world-changing event, things always leave off on the highest or lowest point, the aftermath seems to be a secondary concern.

X-2 manages to give us that. It's not perfect, but it's still interesting to some extent.

 

[ComicsAreWeird]

I think one of the factors that people (like myself, admittedly) take issue with, is that if you state something "is bad" then many people consider that you're trying to state an objective fact, whereas if you say "I don't like it/I hate it/It can suck my spheres" then that's more clearly being presented as a personal opinion.

I really do think there is a distinction between saying something "is bad" and saying something beginning with *I*. Unless your comment is "I think it's bad" but I'm sure you get the point I'm trying to make.

I understand what you mean, but that´s only valid if you believe there´s a universal standard of "good" or "bad". Every game has flaws. I think FFX-2 ´s flaws overcome its virtues, thus making it a bad game. That can be applied to almost every game.

I´ll give you an example: I LOVE Silent Hill 2, it´s one of my favourite games. I think the story is told in a clever way with an awesome plot twist at the end, the characters are compelling and the atmosphere made me feel scared (which is the whole point of a Survival Horror game).

BUT...the controls are clunky and not intuitive at all. And while i think the story is good, someone else might say "I dont like the themes that this story explores. To me, Silent Hill 2 sucks!". I´d have to say "I get it. It´s your opinion.And it´s completely valid". Diversity of opinions and tastes are what makes the industry interesting.

See? Since "good" and "bad" are subjective, i´m totally fine with different opinions. Why shouldnt I be? I liked the game, it entertained me for hours. Nobody can take those away from me. I´d advise you to do the same. You enjoyed FFX-2...good for you! Dont let anyone tell you otherwise. Just dont expect everyone to agree with you. By creating this thread, you invited us to offer our opinions. Some will most likely be different.

But that´s cool...right?

 

[ComicsAreWeird]

I think one of the issues is, if you state something "is bad" then many people consider that you're trying to state an objective fact, whereas if you say "I don't like it/I hate it/It can suck my spheres" then it's obvious that it's your own personal opinion and you're not trying to claim an objective fact like "is bad".

Bingo!
You win the internet.
He said "It's a terrible game".
That statement is in no way even remotely objective and I'm sure when he typed it, it wasn't meant to be that way either..
He didn't care who he offended with that statement until someone (myself) called him out on it.
-tabs<3-

I already answered Olrod and i guess the same answer applies to you too. Read it if you wish to do so. I just want to add that i never intended to offend anyone (and i didnt!if you read any personal offense, please quote me on that).I was giving my opinion in a forum. If you still think i was out of line, feel free to press the report button.