Why do so many marriages fail today?

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SillyBear said:
edit: I also find it strange for someone who has studied psychology to be acting like social effects and psychological effects are two completely different things.
The overlapping causality between social effects and psychological effects actually depends very much on situation and even personal philosophy. Psychology covers human reactions to triggered responses and its only overlap with sociology is how a group of people influence the way those triggers are received. But the strength of that argument depends on how extensively you believe in the Tabula Rasa school of thought concerning human consciousness.

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ShakyFt Slasher said:
An absence of God and waiting for sex until marriage, this is my belief.
Because nothing is better than finding out your wife and you aren't sexually compatible just after you married her. That helps things along just great!
I'd thought such sarcasm was rather rudely aimed at someone expressing a sincere opinion on a serious topic, especially since this person also qualified it as being a personal belief. You can still make your point, although I personally would have appreciated it more if you had delivered it more compasionately.

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Lilani

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That and the pre-divorce numbers might be inflated by the fact that until recently, divorce was a MASSIVE social no-no. So waaaay fewer people did it, since the common mentality was "You MUST stick it through. No excuses. You promised society and your god that you would be with this person forever, so you MUST."
I don't care to enter into an argument about the sex before marriage thing, because I assure you I am not going to budge on that. Now, what I'm about to say regarding this quote has absolutely nothing to do with arranged marriages, forced marriages, advantageous marriages, abusive marriages, or marriages between "religiously brainwashed" people. Those are completely different situations from what I am talking about here, so please do not bring any of those up to try and dilute the point I'm making. That being said, here goes:

Do you really think a heightened desire to salvage a marriage is really such a bad thing? Many here in the thread are saying that people are getting married too fast, or for the wrong reasons. They just jump on in. Then, later if the water is too hot or too cold, they jump back out again. Easy in, easy out. They don't try to work things out or find a middle ground. But if you truly love someone, you will work for that. And truly, that is what relationships are. Work. And lots of it. Today's easy divorces are just ways of getting out of that work, which as statistics show more and more people in our generation don't like to do.

Marriage as a whole is being seen less and a permanent thing and more like flight school. Our own social "revolutions" have given birth to a "crash and trash" mentality when it comes to marriage. It's not a big deal anymore, whereas in the past if a couple married, it was quite expected they were to be together for life. The fact that society expected them to be together," as you said, reinforced that fact in their mind, causing them to regard marriage as a permanent thing. Now, since society doesn't expect them to stay together anymore, that desire to make an effort to make things better is gone. What could have been a "reconcilable difference" before is now grounds for divorce. Why fix what you can just throw away altogether?

Now, I know at this point you probably have all sorts of contradictions in your head to what I just said. But just look back at the top and remember those exclusions I listed. What I just said only pertains to marriages formed from love, and nothing else. And now, you may say that a marriage formed from love is not comparable to the past, but I'd like you to tell that to my parents and my grandparents, who have been together for 30 and ~48 years respectively. I can tell you from personal experience that they are all perfectly in love with each other. Their marriages were founded on pure love, long before the divorce rate hit its peak.

Also, just to touch on your little point on living with them for 6 months before marriage, I think you are rather selling yourself short to assume that you cannot learn someone's character unless you are living with them. And even so, if the little nuances of living with someone like leaving the cap off the toothpaste or leaving the toilet seat up are enough to break your relationship, I don't think it was destined to go too far in the first place. If you decide to live with someone and you aren't sure if you can argue with them or work the little things out, then I think you missed an important step somewhere.
 

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Happy Sock Puppet said:
Just a little advice from a guy who celebrated his 7th anniversary exactly 10 days ago and is still happily married (no kids in the picture...yet)

1. Birth control, people, birth control. Don't bring another life into the world until you have your shit straight first.

2. Live below your means. It's better to have an older car and be able to fix the plumbing/Air conditioner/random crap that quits on you than to have a nice car and be broke.

3. Chillax. Discuss and work out your problems and don't hold grudges.

4. While sometimes you can seem more like business partners, you are still lovers. Act like it.

Many couples don't do the above things, and it's the poor kids who really pay for it in the end.
This. Some of my thoughts. Exactly. Thank you.
 

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Arkvoodle said:
We've become a society addicted to quick fixes and easy solutions. Neither of those can be applied to marriage without serious consequences.
Sad, but I think that's probably true.

Also, and this is my personal opinion, but I feel like a lot of people "fall in love" too easily (which IMO probably wouldn't be considered love in the first place).
 

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SillyBear said:
Why?

I'd love to hear your thoughts. What do you think?
The numbers lie.

Consider this. 50% of marriages end in divorce. However, that doesn't mean that 50% of People who get married will get divorced.

Think about it:

If I get married and it lasts until we're both old and die, then I count as one successful marriage.

On the other hand, my good friend gets married, gets cheated on, and gets divorced. Then my friend gets married again... and gets cheated on again, and gets divorced. And then my friend gets married a third time. Since that just happened recently, I don't know how that one is going to end yet, but... well, I have my theories.

So that's one successful marriage to three unsuccessful marriages. However, the numbers are 50%, so that means that somewhere out there are two other happily married couples to balance out my real life friend who's had two divorces and married for a third time to reach that 50%.

There are people with MORE divorces than that. For every repeat-divorcee, there are multiple happily married couples to balance the numbers.
 

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I'd say it's partially a result of the looser divorce restrictions, combined with the increased emphasis on marriage for love versus marriage for political, or simply child-rearing reasons. People today tend to decide to get married when they feel a strong emotional attatchment to another person. However, one of the fundamental aspects of living beings is that they adapt. When forced into a new environment, an organism will do its best to survive, changing in whatever way it can. With marriage, one is expected to fit into their role as a spouse, along with their role in society. As the initial excitement of falling in love 'fades', a conflict arises. "Marriage is for people in love," thinks the person in question, "but I no longer love my spouse." They become accustomed to their new life, but still perceive marriage as an event centred around a rush of emotions.

The comparison between love and drugs can be used in this circumstance: a person in a long-term relationship will build up a 'tolerance', as their spouse becomes a more permanent aspect of their life.

It is important to note, however, that this does not mean that people should not marry for love, or that love is the reason why people get divorced.

Arkvoodle said:
We've become a society addicted to quick fixes and easy solutions. Neither of those can be applied to marriage without serious consequences.
This is partially correct. Every living thing loves quick fixes and easy solutions. Thinking about short term survival tends to work better than focusing on long term gain. Why organize an attack on the herd of gazelle when there's a perfectly good corpse right in front of you? You KNOW that you should save your money, eat 'healthy' food, etc. But those actions only provide benefits if you're alive tomorrow. Thinking about the short term is an instinct that ensures you get to see another sunrise.

Does this impulsive behaviour work in a marriage? Not usually. Marriage is a practice that came about as a result of being able to ensure comfortable living for indefinite periods of time, barring outside forces. More specifically, it became prevalent when humans first had property they wished to pass on to their offspring. As such, it doesn't go so well with short-term decisions.
 

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To make a long argument short:

The fact that humans live longer now than before, which makes "till death do you part" a whole lot longer,
the fact that western women are a great deal more independent now than before and we don't need a man to survive,
the fact that people marry for different reasons now than before (e.g. romance over financial security),
the fact that it is so much easier to file for divorce than to actually WORK on your issues,
the fact that media keeps butting in on how we should and shouldn't have sex (DESPITE that it's one of the most personal matters of your life),
the fact that people are obsessed with romance, infatuation, sex and looks,
the fact that we don't spend enough time on just being together as married couples,

and lastly, the simple fact that people today are so insanely obsessed with having the perfect life: perfect house, perfect spouse, perfect amount of children, perfect job and so on, and so on. You can't have it all, so choose what you want to work on the most.

That's all I have.
 

Zeema

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either from a lack of communication

or a need to satisfy a need of longing
 

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Most of these replies see divorce as a terrible, terrible thing.
My parent's divorce was great.
My dad was abusive and he and my mum just hated each other, now they are no longer married they eveventually got talking and now get along as friends
There are more divorces now because people dont have to stay in a relationship they aren't happy with, I dont see how that is a bad thing.
 

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FrossetMareritt said:
1) Love is mistaken as a feeling and not an act.

2) Couples (from some of the ones I've known) tend to think that marriage is a destination and not a journey.
These. Oh my goodness these. Finally someone who understands love is NOT an emotion. It's an act. A conscious choice to be made each and every day you wake up. Marriage is hard work.
 

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Marriage is hard work.
Such nonsense. You marry the person because being with them makes your life significantly better.

If you have to work hard for it, why marry?
 

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1 divorce is easier

2 women nolonger need men to pay for things

3 single men have more time and resources to maintain their homes by themselves

4 most people still have unreasonably high expectations of marriage
 

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beacause a few reasons:

A)people stayed together mostly in olden days becuase marriage was more of religious thing.
B)Due to the rise of drugs and alchohal, it has ripped many families apart.
C)people are just assholes like that nowadays.
 

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Happy Sock Puppet said:
Just a little advice from a guy who celebrated his 7th anniversary exactly 10 days ago and is still happily married (no kids in the picture...yet)

1. Birth control, people, birth control. Don't bring another life into the world until you have your shit straight first.

2. Live below your means. It's better to have an older car and be able to fix the plumbing/Air conditioner/random crap that quits on you than to have a nice car and be broke.

3. Chillax. Discuss and work out your problems and don't hold grudges.

4. While sometimes you can seem more like business partners, you are still lovers. Act like it.

Many couples don't do the above things, and it's the poor kids who really pay for it in the end.
I think you really have it together. I agree 100%.
 

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Nimcha said:
Mouse_Crouse said:
Marriage is hard work.
Such nonsense. You marry the person because being with them makes your life significantly better.

If you have to work hard for it, why marry?

"Nothing in this world that is worth having comes easy."
~ Scrubs



EDIT: Anything that makes your life significantly better has been a result of labor somehow. Either by you or by someone else. In this case, the only ones who can work on your marriage are you and your spouse.
 

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Well the divorce rate fell within the baby boom population, the pendulum merely is back at rest again.
 

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People tend not to wait untill they know that they have found the perfect person, instead rushing through for some reason.