why does call of duty get so much hate?

[HarryScull]

arguing whether or not COD innovates on the escapist is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how many clever moves i make the pigeon will just knock the board over and strut around like its won

I think that this analogy is essentially correct. Although you appear to be confused about which participant in this conversation is the pigeon.

i can give a whole list of ways in which call of duty innovates to which the escapist responds
"NONE OF THOSE COUNT!!!"

if that doesn't make the escapist the pigeon in this analogy i dont know what does

 

[Adultratedhydra]

Ill bite.

so ways in which Blops is different to mw2
1. new guns/gun balance (more powerful SMG's/assult rifles less powerful shotguns/snipers)
2. the spawn system
3. the traffic pattern
4. whole new maps
5. whole new game types
6. wager matches
7. flack jacket changed objective games hugely
8. killstreaks were no longer stackable
9. it was allot less noob friendly
10. it added a huge amount of customization on the form of your weapon and emblem
11. for what its worth it had zombies (although cod 5 had zombies)

1. See my comment about "New guns"
2. What?
3. Again. What? Controlling movement is innovative?
4. MW3 has a carbon copy of a cod 4 level.
5. Not just team deathmatch but mega team deathmatch?
6. a glorified betting system is not innovative.
7. Cod was the first series to use a Flak jacket?
8. Balance is innovation?
9. This is innovation?
10. No other game has customisation?
11. Its not even worth mentioning.

So basicly none of your points are innovative in any way, shape or form.

 

[Nazulu]

His arguments were invalid as art is subjective. I no more need to present evidence against that than I do to prove someone wrong if they were to claim yellow isn't a colour.

Also, no one hates Call of Duty. Some dislike, some think it's shit, but no one on Earth hates Call of Duty. They might use the word, but they fail to grasp it's meaning. Hate is for rapists and murderers. Hate is for Hitler. Hate is what you feel towards someone who breaks into your house and steals everything you own. No one hates a video game.

Hate is subjective, therefore your argument is invalid. I don't have to present "evidence" or "logic" to back this statement up because I say so. (See what I did there?)

People like to throw the word around, but no one actually hates much. Example: you don't hate the walk to school. You dislike it. You don't hate the president. You think he's an idiot. You don't hate that band. You think they suck.

It's one of those words people have used so much its meaning has become commonly misunderstood. Not unlike angst--angst means anxious and afraid, having nothing at all to do with emo teens.

Hate and angst are subjective, therefore your argument is invalid. I no more need to present evidence against than than I do to prove someone wrong if they were to claim yellow isn't a colour.

I guess we gotta agree to disagree.

Disagreement is subjective, therefore your argument is invalid. I no more need to present evidence against it than I do to prove someone wrong if they were to claim yellow isn't a colour.

Brilliantly handled. I wish I thought of that when he was saying that crap to me.

A lot of people here think they have the world figured out and love to generalise everyone. Frankly, it's just a really bad habbit and makes for poor disucssion.

 

[Ashadowpie]

i dont like COD because its making kids(who shouldn't even be playing an M rated game to begin with) and teens assholes in the gaming society, apparently COD is a "Game"and every other video game isnt. that doesn't make any sense! a board game is a game, Hide and go Seek is a game, video games are defiantly games including COD * half rage * its so annoying. honestly wtf

 

[Nazulu]

Every year people say they won't buy CoD and every year the games break sales records.

Some of you are liars.

I guess it's possible, but I'd still say you are assuming too much. It's not like every COD player is on The Escapist now. The internet and the world does expand way beyond from here, and even then, maybe not every COD player uses a computer.

 

[Vivid Kazumi]

I found this on another forum but it pretty much sets the example for every single CoD fan I've met.



"man I fucking hate all these nintendo rehashes bro its the same fukken game over and over again

yeah I know dude I saved this dumb ***** before, I sang on that, like, flute fucker before.

haha yeah man and what about fukken pokemon these days, I mean, ANOTHER ONE? hahaha

but hey dude what about that new call of duty

oh bro that looks sick as shit man, gonna buy that one yeah"

my family's "gaming" side in a nutshell

 

[HarryScull]

Ill bite.

so ways in which Blops is different to mw2
1. new guns/gun balance (more powerful SMG's/assult rifles less powerful shotguns/snipers)
2. the spawn system
3. the traffic pattern
4. whole new maps
5. whole new game types
6. wager matches
7. flack jacket changed objective games hugely
8. killstreaks were no longer stackable
9. it was allot less noob friendly
10. it added a huge amount of customization on the form of your weapon and emblem
11. for what its worth it had zombies (although cod 5 had zombies)

1. See my comment about "New guns"
2. What?
3. Again. What? Controlling movement is innovative?
4. MW3 has a carbon copy of a cod 4 level.
5. Not just team deathmatch but mega team deathmatch?
6. a glorified betting system is not innovative.
7. Cod was the first series to use a Flak jacket?
8. Balance is innovation?
9. This is innovation?
10. No other game has customisation?
11. Its not even worth mentioning.

So basicly none of your points are innovative in any way, shape or form.

1. new guns implies a re-skin changing weapon balance vastly changes the game
2. learn to play cod well and you will understand
3. see 2.
4. mw3 isnt very innovative (besides adding shit) and was a shit call of duty but that wasnt the question, i was comparing mw2 to Blops
5. yes, it added afew new game types and changed how afew work, again play the game to a decnt level and you will understand this
6. it adds 3 new game modes that are completely off the wall and fun, as well as adding a element of suspense and importance onto a pub match in which most people dont care about winning or losing
7. black ops introduced flak jacket which completely changed objective games by negating spawn nades and nade spots, forcing the defenders to be much more agrresive and push CQC around the objective, couple this with placing the objectives in harder to defend area's and pushing the defenders spawn back and it hugely changes objective games (again play the game to a decent level and this will become apparent
8.killstreaks not staking was a big change, instead of getting a 5 killstreak then building off it to win the game you earn the killstreaks, putting much more of an emphases on gunplay and forcing players to choose a range of killstreaks from a 3-4-5 to a 8-9-11
9. yes, it changes who plays the game and how the game works by widening the skill gap between a good and bad player
10. call of duty did it differently to any other game before it (that i am aware of) by letting you have a fully customization emblem and show it of by putting it on your gun
11. true
12. you didnt even bother to answer my other points that i added as an after thought

note: the point were i say things along the line of "a good player understands this" sounds condescending but to be good at call of duty (and most FPS games) you have to understand things like the spawn system, traffic pattern's, spawn nades/nade spots, how to defend/defend an objective effectively (to the level where you know how to attack/defend every obkective on every map in a variety of situations and many others). the ones mentioned above are pretty much what separates a good and bad player, and in your comment you openly display ignorance on these topics so to someone who shows that they don't understand the game yes it is SSDD but to good players and competitive players mw2 and blops are about as different as rugby and football, sure the're both played on a field and the balls look the same but when you start playing you realize the're hugely different games

 

[the_dude_abides]

I thought the Halo community were bad, they look like saints compared to the utter bellends that populate the COD servers.

 

[Arnoxthe1]

I have no real problem with CoD really. Yeah, it's definitely got its negatives but it also has a lot of positives.

No, what I hate is that every developer and their grandma is trying to copy the same formula for the multiplayer of their games.

A bit OT: What I also hate is people comparing every iron sight shooter to CoD.

 

[TK421]

i personally think its basically because the game is popular/successful and that through a combination of that and some evil business strategies it makes a huge amount of money but i was wondering what the escapist's think?


off topic i'd like to clear up some misconceptions that particularly annoy me.
1. call of duty isnt innovative: i can see why people think this, but it is untrue, as someone who has played call of duty competitively i can tell you that although it keeps the same base mechanics from each game but other than that is vastly different (like a good squeal should be) in terms of single player its often a case of SSDD but that is not what most people buy/play it for and judging black ops 2 on its single player is like judging mass effect 3 on its online.

2. most call of duty players are 12 year old douchebags: again from playing competitively most call of duty players are 16-18 and a regular bunch of people, the odd troll or 12 year old get in but pointing at them and using it as the stereotype for the cod community is like claiming that gamers in general are basement dwellers

I would agree. Most gamers on the internet turn into hipsters, and the business practices of Activision are rather irritating.

Also, there is innovation in CoD games, but not enough for most people. A shooter is a shooter, and there are only so many ways to vary that, but CoD games are very similar to each other.
The reason that I have started to dislike CoD games is that there are too many of them. They are milking them too far, like Nintendo did with Mario, and most recently, Zelda.

 

[bullet_sandw1ch]

i hate the interpretation that because i am 14 i am a squeaky little ***** that cant be tactical or reason. and COD has the largest population of elitist assholes [and 12 yr olds alike] and that because my voice isnt the deepest that i automatically deserve to be made fun of. i have had people tell me this directly. the game itself is fun, its just become what halo used to be: a haven for assholes.

 

[Meight08]

Its ruining innovation and damaging gaming if you keep buying them like the drooling mongoloid sheep you are your ruining gaming.

 

[Davroth]

I don't like to be reminded of real world wars.

Ego Shooter bore me.

I don't play competitive online shooter. Lacks the satisfaction of playing CS in a room with 8 PCs with friends.

Actually, I'm mostly indifferent. But I don't think there's anything wrong with liking the CoD games. I just find it annoying that the success of those brown shooters led to an industry full of clones and imitations instead of clones and imitations of games I like.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

They have done nothing actually new since the original modern warfare. They represent the stagnation of an entire genre.

 

[Atothex]

Call of Duty has become like the Madden and NHL games. They may as well skip naming them and just go with Call of Duty: 2013. Of course, that opens the market up to more spinoffs if one particular year is more popular. CoD:2013:2 anyone?

I don't really get angry at CoD, it's a mediocre series that doesn't appeal to me, so I don't play it. And that's fine. What I do feel is pity for those folks who feel obligated to buy the next one. I mean, is it for the story? I doubt it. Are there really that many changes made that every sequel must be bought? You've been tricked, CoD fans, by a cruel, cruel, joke.

So... does CoD deserve the hate? Not really. It doesn't deserve any energy from those people who already don't like the games because it's getting a surplus from those who do. My advice is just let the people who like them buy the games and just don't bother.

 

[StriderShinryu]

I've always seen it as a bit of MovieBob syndrome. You know that group of guys that picked on you in high school and never let you hang out with them? They like CoD. You know what else? CoD makes a ton of money because a lot of people like it. It thus follows that CoD is something you should hate.

 

[HarryScull]

You say that "as a competitive player" you see the games as being "vastly different."
What you should explain is how they are different?
How has the game changed substantially since call of duty 4?

it depends how much you play and how well you understand the game, if you play on a competitive level they are very different but if you play once a week or less (like i suspect most people on this site do, after reading how little they understand even the basics of call of duty like the spawn system) you will find it hard to tell them apart (except for wager matches and zombies)

ive answered some peoples questions on this already and i would recommend looking at those if your genuinely interested

 

[kayo of the Well]

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[HarryScull]

big snip

1. the argument isnt whether or not you think the changes are good or bad it is did changes happen which you openly admit did, how can you admit that the game has changed but also say that it doesnt innovate

2. its a very valid point that to people who dont play the game much (like people who dont like it for example) that the games are SSDD but the more you play the more you will notice the subtle difference's, the same is true for every popular FPS sires ive played so far, and its a relevant point to bring up when i try and talk about things as simple as the spawn system or traffic pattern being different and people saying "spawns, that's bullshit, there not important, they didnt change, they dont change jack e.c.t" when its a well known fact among the cod community (certainly the competitive side) that stuff like that makes a huge difference (this also includes flak jacket, if you dont even understand or accept how the create a class and statistics effects the game its almost pointless debating with you, see the pigeon analogy)

3. ive defended the same counter argument's you have bought up in other comments before

4. before this thread gets any more derailed the question was "why does call of duty get so much hate" not "why do you personally hate call of duty, flame me please! im a good punching bag!"

 

[Lugbzurg]

1. it wasnt even the main part of my post
Did I say that? No, it was a major part of your post that you'd put in bold print.
2. 99.9% of people ive met who play it agree that it is, i really didnt expect so many people saying it isnt
Wow, other people just like you that agree with you! You must be so special!
3. arguing that black ops is the same as mw2 is like arguing that american football is the same as rugby, sure its on the same field and they do similar things but they are 2 very different sports
Seriously? Could point out, like, any point in time I ever made a statement like this?
4. look at the comments ive made defending it, already then call me out, ive had this debate with 1 person already and really can't be bothered to fight another flame warrior
*mega facepalm* Then why would you make an entire thread about it? What did you think was going to happen? That "99.9%" of the people here would just agree with you? Also, no one here has ever flamed. at all.

1. new guns/gun balance (more powerful SMG's/assult rifles less powerful shotguns/snipers)
Wheee! Balance! This is something we'd pretty much perfected a couple decades or so ago! Also, it's such a minor asset.
2. the spawn system
Umm... Yay?
3. the traffic pattern
Point?
4. whole new maps
This is almost all that Call of Duty is. This is a given. It's been this way since the 80s! For you to actually bother listing this as a feature just shows off more of how desperate this series really is. Not to mention how it isn't entirely true, since they keep clogging overpriced copies of older maps onto later games.
5. whole new game types
More ways to kill stuff in slight variations. What fun!
6. wager matches
What a fantastic idea! Let's take pointless risks and watch what happens!
7. flack jacket changed objective games hugely
Seriously? The jacket?
8. killstreaks were no longer stackable
This about on par with "You can make your character purple".
9. it was allot less noob friendly
"Allot"? As in "Distribute"? Or, do you mean "a lot"? It's hard to take you seriously when you're making so many bad spelling, grammar, punctuation, capitalization, etc. errors so many times.
10. it added a huge amount of customization on the form of your weapon and emblem
Yay! My own personal logo! This changes the game so much!
11. for what its worth it had zombies (although cod 5 had zombies)
Zombies = innovation? Sorry, no. Besides, the "Nazi Zombie" concept is so messed up in so many ways.

I've made several points here, but, I think Eternal Taros' were even better and more valid.

1. not even an argument
2. "EVERYONE AGREES WITH ME!" Not an argument. Not even logically valid
3. Nonsensical analogy. The comparison would be valid if rugby was the exact same as football, except with a different colored ball that weighs half a pound more (for balance reasons) and a slightly different scoring system. Which of course, isn't true.
4. Not an argument

1. Slight statistical differences in weapon balance don't constitute a sequel.
2. The difference the "new" spawn system has is negligible and pretty shitty anyways. There are endless cases of people getting spawn trapped and completely raped by the other team in BO. Not exactly an improvement over MW2
3. What? What is this I don't even
4. New maps? You paid $60 for new maps?
5. New game types? You are willing to pay $60 for a new game type? That's more along the lines of DLC
6. Wager matches are a new game type. Rehash of 5.
7. Statistical differences in explosive damage are a game changer? And you paid $60 for it?
8. I addressed this point already
9. HOW was it noob friendly? Declarative statements don't help your case
10. Custom emblems. $60 Dollars.
11. This is an invalid analogy because you're making shitty, shitty points. In this case the pigeon appears to be the better player.

Hate to be so blunt, but nonsensical arguments get on my nerves.