Why does everybody seem to hate pirates?

Epitome

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Okay first to avoid being hammered, i am NOT supporting/promoting/suggesting that anybody shoould pirate. But I have been reading over the Batman AA article on the new DRM measures
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/94524-Arkham-Asylum-Pirates-Get-a-Gimpy-Batman
Also I was reading Experienced Points latest on changing to new forms of DRM. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/experienced-points/6519-Building-a-Better-Kind-of-DRM

What I couldnt understand is the sheer amount of hatred of pirates on the forums. Me personally I dont pirate, but I am VERY against some of the proposed measures worldwide being proposed to stop pirates like censoring certain parts of the web and stopping or slowing traffic because it may be p2p. Also I believe that it should be illegal to bankrupt individuals in the way they do for downloading a few cds or whatever. It seems to me the concenus is that since the companies have the moral high ground they can play dirty, but its the avarage consumer like you or me that gets screwed over by it. Pirates bypass the measures as usual and we get screwed. In the UK some truely Draconian measures are proposed including booting suspected pirates off the net based on suspician instead of evidence or no court hearings for those that are accused guilty until proven innocent. In France Hadopi legislation wants people to pay to have government installed spyware on computers as the only way to be allowed declare yourself not guilty? Also in the UK these measures have come about from what was some blatent backhanders to Lord Mandleson.

What im getting at is the anger everybody has for pirates is allowing organisations to abuse the system. Look at the US and the DMCA. Created to enforce copyright,used to create artifical monopolies. If publishers had their way tomorrow the 2nd hand market would be shut down and they would have complete control over distribution and utilisation. When they say, what they say and how they say. Besides I view publishers as modern day vultures, abusing their position to control the devs. They can make them alter the game to suit their tastes, stamp a brand on it,jack up the price and then take a hefty percentage for the pleasure because they control distribution outlets. But places like Steam have been competing very well with the old model,piracy is the one that keeps the publishers in check. They know that they cant screw over the customer too hard or they will create more pirates.

And why anybody cares about pirates still eludes me, you cant treat them like potential customers because they are not, thats WHY they are pirates. The focus should be on rewarding us legit consumers instead of punishing all of us in the name of a witchhunt. Sorry im ranting at this point but i have alot to say and feel im already walking (if not leapfroging) the line. Anyway to sum up as a qustion, Do you feel its right for companies to wield the power and influence they do in the name of catching a bunch of people who are going to keep doing what they do no matter what?
 

OneBig Man

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I thought this was going to be about people with peg legs and eye patches. Anyway,in a way your right. If publishers could give somthing that people who pirate can't get, it would probably draw more people to purchase the game leagally. But by making the punishment so harsh. You would think it would draw people away from pirating.
 

Taerdin

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I completely agree with the whole sentiment of "don't punish legit users because of pirates." In fact I can't even understand how a company could be so dense as to do such a thing. If I pay for a product I expect to be able to enjoy it as much or more than someone who didn't.
 

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Piracy is a hard issue to box up, what makes a game okay to pirate and what makes it wrong? I do think that the Batman fix to prevent piracy was a stroke of genius, hopefully more developers will do it. I don't really pirate games other than abandonware but I think some of the measures taken against pirates are absurd and cruel.

I think there's a big stigma attached to the word "Pirate" in the first place, sure the online community has embraced it as awesome but to the outside world, it's a bad phrase to explain that you're simply downloading something.

The legality of what you're doing by downloading copyrighted material, however, remains another issue altogether.
 

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I'm sure a lot of people on here bash pirating to make it seem like they aren't doing it themselves.
 

The Blue Mongoose

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I love Pirates!

With Cat-Like Tread
Upon our prey we steal
In silence dread
Our cautious way we feel
No sound at all
We never speak a word
A fly's foot-fall
Would be distinctly heard...

Oh... Different pirates... Well I suppose people resent them, because we pay money for the game and they do not, and some of the DRM actually hurts those with legit copies.
 

Epitome

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paypuh said:
I'm sure a lot of people on here bash pirating to make it seem like they aren't doing it themselves.
Abandonware and things I used to own but degraded dont count :)
Taerdin said:
I completely agree with the whole sentiment of "don't punish legit users because of pirates." In fact I can't even understand how a company could be so dense as to do such a thing. If I pay for a product I expect to be able to enjoy it as much or more than someone who didn't.
Because they get to enforce stricter controls that allow them a greater control of teh market, whens teh last time you saw a major new publisher born?
 

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Epitome said:
paypuh said:
I'm sure a lot of people on here bash pirating to make it seem like they aren't doing it themselves.
Abandonware and things I used to own but degraded dont count :)
Taerdin said:
I completely agree with the whole sentiment of "don't punish legit users because of pirates." In fact I can't even understand how a company could be so dense as to do such a thing. If I pay for a product I expect to be able to enjoy it as much or more than someone who didn't.
Because they get to enforce stricter controls that allow them a greater control of teh market, whens teh last time you saw a major new publisher born?
Your post doesn't make a lot of sense to me but I'm going to assume you meant that they're trying to force people to buy their game instead of pirating it. Okay fine, makes sense... except for the fact that it doesn't work and then its the paying customer who has to suffer in terms of quality.

If I pay for a game it should be as good or better quality than those who are stealing it. That's what it comes down to, there's really no counter argument to that. Why should someone who's stealing from the company get a better product than the paying customers do? It makes absolutely no sense at all.
 

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it would almost be better if you referred to them as what they are and that is a thief.

i mean if you say "oh there's some piracy going on" it sounds nice compared to say "oh look there's some theft going on"

if you keep saying piracy it softens it a bit and makes it sound ok but calling them thieves makes it a bit less ok sounding
 

Epitome

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cleverlymadeup said:
it would almost be better if you referred to them as what they are and that is a thief.

i mean if you say "oh there's some piracy going on" it sounds nice compared to say "oh look there's some theft going on"

if you keep saying piracy it softens it a bit and makes it sound ok but calling them thieves makes it a bit less ok sounding
But the are not theives and therein lies a massive problem. They copy, not steal, the originals are left intact. The law views intellectual property as a property law and so replication is not the same as theft. They are not "taking" anything in the literal sense as they themselves create all the 1's and 0's that they then configure to match the product in question. They are infringers not thieves and calling them thieves just serves to demonise them in media.
That One Six said:
This is why! http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf You watch that enough, and you're eventually gonna hate pirates.

OT: I blame Metallica and Napster!
That gave me a headache....
 

Epitome

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Taerdin said:
Epitome said:
paypuh said:
I'm sure a lot of people on here bash pirating to make it seem like they aren't doing it themselves.
Abandonware and things I used to own but degraded dont count :)
Taerdin said:
I completely agree with the whole sentiment of "don't punish legit users because of pirates." In fact I can't even understand how a company could be so dense as to do such a thing. If I pay for a product I expect to be able to enjoy it as much or more than someone who didn't.
Because they get to enforce stricter controls that allow them a greater control of teh market, whens teh last time you saw a major new publisher born?
Your post doesn't make a lot of sense to me but I'm going to assume you meant that they're trying to force people to buy their game instead of pirating it. Okay fine, makes sense... except for the fact that it doesn't work and then its the paying customer who has to suffer in terms of quality.

If I pay for a game it should be as good or better quality than those who are stealing it. That's what it comes down to, there's really no counter argument to that. Why should someone who's stealing from the company get a better product than the paying customers do? It makes absolutely no sense at all.
I'm agreeing with you. Making teh average Joe suffer and pay inflated prices because of their position ois wrong. What i mean is that they use piracy as a scapegoat to solidify their position in law and keep a stranglehold on the markets, Like Lexmark did with printers.http://news.cnet.com/2100-1023-979791.html
 

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Pirates are thieves. Someone steals your shit, you're not happy. Tada. Hate for pirates.

While I agree that many anti-piracy measures tend to turn into anti-consumer measures, you can't really just not protect your product. That's like putting "unlocked, steal everything" on your door.
 

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Epitome said:
Okay first to avoid being hammered, i am NOT supporting/promoting/suggesting that anybody shoould pirate. But I have been reading over the Batman AA article on the new DRM measures
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/94524-Arkham-Asylum-Pirates-Get-a-Gimpy-Batman
Also I was reading Experienced Points latest on changing to new forms of DRM. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/experienced-points/6519-Building-a-Better-Kind-of-DRM

What I couldnt understand is the sheer amount of hatred of pirates on the forums. Me personally I dont pirate, but I am VERY against some of the proposed measures worldwide being proposed to stop pirates like censoring certain parts of the web and stopping or slowing traffic because it may be p2p. Also I believe that it should be illegal to bankrupt individuals in the way they do for downloading a few cds or whatever. It seems to me the concenus is that since the companies have the moral high ground they can play dirty, but its the avarage consumer like you or me that gets screwed over by it. Pirates bypass the measures as usual and we get screwed. In the UK some truely Draconian measures are proposed including booting suspected pirates off the net based on suspician instead of evidence or no court hearings for those that are accused guilty until proven innocent. In France Hadopi legislation wants people to pay to have government installed spyware on computers as the only way to be allowed declare yourself not guilty? Also in the UK these measures have come about from what was some blatent backhanders to Lord Mandleson.

What im getting at is the anger everybody has for pirates is allowing organisations to abuse the system. Look at the US and the DMCA. Created to enforce copyright,used to create artifical monopolies. If publishers had their way tomorrow the 2nd hand market would be shut down and they would have complete control over distribution and utilisation. When they say, what they say and how they say. Besides I view publishers as modern day vultures, abusing their position to control the devs. They can make them alter the game to suit their tastes, stamp a brand on it,jack up the price and then take a hefty percentage for the pleasure because they control distribution outlets. But places like Steam have been competing very well with the old model,piracy is the one that keeps the publishers in check. They know that they cant screw over the customer too hard or they will create more pirates.

And why anybody cares about pirates still eludes me, you cant treat them like potential customers because they are not, thats WHY they are pirates. The focus should be on rewarding us legit consumers instead of punishing all of us in the name of a witchhunt. Sorry im ranting at this point but i have alot to say and feel im already walking (if not leapfroging) the line. Anyway to sum up as a qustion, Do you feel its right for companies to wield the power and influence they do in the name of catching a bunch of people who are going to keep doing what they do no matter what?
I'm not one to admit to pirating, (mostly cause I don't see much fun in volunteering information) but I'll say that there's different types, most pirates would go to the cinema or buy a DVD of a movie they think warrants it, whether it be because they were anticipating it a lot or have watched it and deemed it a worthy addition to their collection. I don't see whats wrong with that, just means people know what they're paying for. Then however there's the other pirates who pirate anything with no intention of paying to see or buy them.