Why does everyone hate Halo 3?

[Syndef]

I thought Halo was a repetitive game. It gets boring very quick. There are also parts of the game where it tries to be cinematic and amazing, but ends up being bland and mediocre. It does look pretty, though. It's a Pop game, all the "cool kids" play it, as well as the annoying smart-mouthed little kids who are no older than eight years old.

 

[minignu]

But if it was generic then why did everyone say it "revoluntionized FPS" it "set the bar for FPS" etc, etc.?

well most of those people are MS fan boys and its only for the 360 so... yeah

imo the orange box far surpassed halo

They said the original Halo CE "revoloutionised FPSes", they aren't talking about the later helpings. Your comparison is very odd indeed in this light.

Halo (2001)
Orange Box (2007)

Not to mention, The Orange Box is 3 different games, all with very different design intents to Halo. They may all be FPSes, but it's a very strange comparison to make. Anyhoo, although the "cool kids" will try to say how lame and cookie cutter the Halo series was, the first one was actually pretty good for it's time. It's just the in thing to Halo bash after the lackluster sequels. Remember guys, the original Halo came out 7 years ago. Comparing it to contemporary games and making judgements due to it's much stereotyped player base is pretty foolish. Halos 2 and 3 are bland, dull and done before. The original Halo, like it or not, helped push the genre forward (SHOCK SHOCK HORROR HORROR), with some of it's combat mechanics and more importantly multiplayer.

 

[Darkwolf9]

Your right not all FPS's on PC are difficult, but most of the people who play Halo are console gamers. Up to Halo there weren't that many console FPS's and the ones there were had a lot of quirks. The simplicity brought in a whole new crowd of gamers and helped push the FPS genre on console's as we know it.

 

[PersianLlama]

But if it was generic then why did everyone say it "revoluntionized FPS" it "set the bar for FPS" etc, etc.?

well most of those people are MS fan boys and its only for the 360 so... yeah

imo the orange box far surpassed halo

They said the original Halo CE "revoloutionised FPSes", they aren't talking about the later helpings. Your comparison is very odd indeed in this light.

Halo (2001)
Orange Box (2007)

Not to mention, The Orange Box is 3 different games, all with very different design intents to Halo. They may all be FPSes, but it's a very strange comparison to make. Anyhoo, although the "cool kids" will try to say how lame and cookie cutter the Halo series was, the first one was actually pretty good for it's time. It's just the in thing to Halo bash after the lackluster sequels. Remember guys, the original Halo came out 7 years ago. Comparing it to contemporary games and making judgements due to it's much stereotyped player base is pretty foolish. Halos 2 and 3 are bland, dull and done before. The original Halo, like it or not, helped push the genre forward (SHOCK SHOCK HORROR HORROR), with some of it's combat mechanics and more importantly multiplayer.

Half-Life came out 10 years ago and it's still much better then most shooters I've played since it's release.

 

[the monopoly guy]

I don't have Halo 3; I do, however, hate the 12,000 or so Halo 3 threads asking why everyone hates Halo 3 every damn month, or when a new Halo 3 announcement is realease, or when someone else asks why people ahte Halo 3, or when someone makes a Halo 3 thread, or when someone reviews Halo 3.


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[Retrofraction]

" mean you can't honestly say it's a BAD game if over millions of people have bought it."

well I can say while it isn't par say bad it really does not do anthing good.
I mean yes the story line is cool, but a good story line can be chopped into a good 2-3 parts and still make since. ( sort of like when I watched Bourne Supremacy before Bourne Identity and it made complete since, unlike halo 3 that left me asking "wtf?"

In terms of gameplay it is very bland for it's ganra and the series of halo games, although they added some more wepons and vehicals they did nothing to change the way the game is played or thought about, unlike half-life that used puzzels and physics to make the game somthing more than just blowing the head off the guy next to you, that can be good but make sure to not go crazy about stuff like that like in "haze".

Multiplayer however did improve apon halo universe, but since it is a fps you have to look at all the other games that came out like cod4 that added a leveling system to make players play more, although microsoft did put map packs in, there really is nothing that is there to unlock in multiplayer exsept achevements and rank whitch would have been good on the pc 5 years ago, but by today's standards that does not cut it anymore. ( mabyee they should have wepons that could be unlocked and new maps that you have to earn only by doing challanges like in perfect dark 64) that would make people want to play more after the game was lame.

also you need to get better download able content (yes )downloadable content on XBL is lame.
they need to put more stuff than just new maps to download, like vehicals, new wepons, new character models, new game modes that are not on the disk, and mabey a mod kit so the users can make their own content and do you job for you.

it is not that Halo 3 is bad it just doesn't push the envolope at all ( like microsoft's marketing plan )

don't feel bad, it is hard to see what is good.

 

[Retrofraction]

"But if it was generic then why did everyone say it "revoluntionized FPS" it "set the bar for FPS" etc, etc.?"

thats because microsoft payed off a lot of game critic to say what they wanted to hear about it so they could make a lot of kipe about an ok game. ( sort of like the crappy movies in theaters)

 

[Isaac Dodgson]

" mean you can't honestly say it's a BAD game if over millions of people have bought it."

well I can say while it isn't par say bad it really does not do anthing good.
I mean yes the story line is cool, but a good story line can be chopped into a good 2-3 parts and still make since. ( sort of like when I watched Bourne Supremacy before Bourne Identity and it made complete since, unlike halo 3 that left me asking "wtf?"

In terms of gameplay it is very bland for it's ganra and the series of halo games, although they added some more wepons and vehicals they did nothing to change the way the game is played or thought about, unlike half-life that used puzzels and physics to make the game somthing more than just blowing the head off the guy next to you, that can be good but make sure to not go crazy about stuff like that like in "haze".

Multiplayer however did improve apon halo universe, but since it is a fps you have to look at all the other games that came out like cod4 that added a leveling system to make players play more, although microsoft did put map packs in, there really is nothing that is there to unlock in multiplayer exsept achevements and rank whitch would have been good on the pc 5 years ago, but by today's standards that does not cut it anymore. ( mabyee they should have wepons that could be unlocked and new maps that you have to earn only by doing challanges like in perfect dark 64) that would make people want to play more after the game was lame.

also you need to get better download able content (yes )downloadable content on XBL is lame.
they need to put more stuff than just new maps to download, like vehicals, new wepons, new character models, new game modes that are not on the disk, and mabey a mod kit so the users can make their own content and do you job for you.

it is not that Halo 3 is bad it just doesn't push the envolope at all ( like microsoft's marketing plan )

don't feel bad, it is hard to see what is good.

eeeh i really don't want to troll...but...spell check my man, spell check...

Weeding through all that though, you've pretty much nailed it, but it's pretty obvious to most people.

 

[AceDiamond]

It doesn't suck. It's just bland and unintuitive.

So is Gears of War and so is Resistance.

My point being that there is nothing inherently "bad" about Halo. I think the real problem is some people started touting it as the greatest sci-fi saga ever (which it isn't, it's just merely good), thus leading to this backlash.

Well that and the smacktards on multiplayer but that's everywhere.

And didn't Halo 3 have a leveling system in place before CoD 4?

 

[TerraMGP]

Because the Halo series are sub-par shooters that brought in an element that, much like the 'casual' gamers now, dropped the level of work that people put into games by drawing in people with lower standards. Halo 1-3 have rather bland weapons, poor story, annoying gameplay curves and the only real feature is the multiplayer which again only served to hurt the industry as a whole.

I guess what I'm saying is that its a sub par game and if you enjoy it you are entitled to, but youd best not bash 'casual gamers' as you most likely belong to a subset that came into gaming later and ruined alot of it for those of us who have been doing it for ages.

 

[Ultra_Caboose]

Personally, I've really enjoyed the Halo series. For me though, it's always been about the story. I've always enjoyed playing games that have a very expansive story, and the story in the Halo series is the main reason I kept playing it. Granted, 3 seemed to have the weakest section of the story, but I still enjoyed it, and had fun while playing through it.

As far as the story goes, I was really disappointed that the Arbiter was basically thrown into the position of voiceless sidekick. I was really interested with his character and where his story was going in 2, only to have him show up and just tag along with the rest of the good guys, only bringing in more elites when humans felt like taking their 15 minute break. It felt like Bungie took that whole section of the story, and just dumped it in the garbage.

Alright, I've ranted enough. In a nutshell, Halo 3 is fun, but I've played much better.

 

[Signa]

Allow me to make an analogy-rant on how Halo fanboys sound:

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See, don't you feel like buying some aluminum now? No? Why not?

The truth of the matter is that as cool as aluminum might be, its a pretty common element. The stuff we do with it can also be done with other materials, so in the end, aluminum is just good when compared to itself, but still just so-so. Yet we get to hear constantly how great it is over and over and over because some one who has never used plastic wrap on their food will say aluminum foil is the best.

(Now before anyone starts responding to me about how bad of an analogy aluminum is because no one over-sings its praises, please come up with a better one first. It was the best I could come up with on the fly)

 

[The Iron Ninja]

Because of this guy.

This may just be me, but the reason I hate Halo 3 is because the master chief is a douchebag.
If he never talked, I might like the game a bit more.

Also the online community for it is really rather lacking in the intelligent rebuttal department.

 

[excessum ado]

Oh my god! A thread speculating as to the quality of halo 3! I havent seen one of these in about...two days! How original! How about you go back to the forums, click on gaming discussion and look through one of the dozens of threads just like this one and I think you'll get a pretty good answer to this question.

 

[TerraMGP]

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need I say more?

 

[Milford Cubicle]

I don't hate it. It's just boring and almost exactly the same as Halo 2. Even the graphics didn't look any different. I didn't really give it much time to be honest, I played the first couple of levels, then part-exed it for a better game.

 

[olicon]

I also don't find Halo series to be so bad. I did enjoy it enough when I played it with my friends, and it is a solid game in it's own right. Halo3 brought something new in the "trophy/skull game mode system" thingy that I never quite got into. I guess those ain't the newest thing either, but at least it's done in a new and interesting way here.
But I would be lying if I say I don't totally hate the hype over the game. The fanboys definitely ruined it.
If there is any valid reason for my hatred for Halo, it's the same sweeping reason I hate all console FPS. The damn control. USB slots = place for mouse and keyboard. Use it, dammit!

 

[Woe Is You]

Because the Halo series are sub-par shooters that brought in an element that, much like the 'casual' gamers now, dropped the level of work that people put into games by drawing in people with lower standards. Halo 1-3 have rather bland weapons, poor story, annoying gameplay curves and the only real feature is the multiplayer which again only served to hurt the industry as a whole.

There are plenty things that Halo did that were kind of refreshing for the time. Not having to search for medpacks was one. The fact that you could use almost every gun in the game from the get-go was another. The interiors were admittedly bland and repetitive in the first game, but that's mostly been fixed in the sequels.

There's also a lot to be said about the holier-than-thou attitude a lot of the Halo haters have. Trying to be above them and then posting thing like...

youd best not bash 'casual gamers' as you most likely belong to a subset that came into gaming later and ruined alot of it for those of us who have been doing it for ages.

...doesn't really make you sound less annoying than them. They also ignore what the gaming landscape was like before Halo's success. There were a lot of PC game companies that were busy trying to replicate the success of Doom and Quake by doing their own FPS knockoffs of them, while the console landscape was filled to the brim with bland platformers till FFVII came along and we were getting swamped with bland JRPGs after that. Anyone remember games like Vandal Hearts and/or Septerra Core? If you don't, then it's because they were the blandest JRPG-type games you could find on the market.

See, don't you feel like buying some aluminum now? No? Why not?

You forget that those hating Halo are often equally willing to shout it to you. With equal vigor. Often.

 

[D_987]

Please just clear this up for me because I really want to know, as a gamer and aspiring game designer.

Yep, this will really help your "aspiration". Particularly when 90% of the people who claim they want to work in games really don't know what the job entails.

Its mindless fanboy flamebait.

 

[TerraMGP]

Because the Halo series are sub-par shooters that brought in an element that, much like the 'casual' gamers now, dropped the level of work that people put into games by drawing in people with lower standards. Halo 1-3 have rather bland weapons, poor story, annoying gameplay curves and the only real feature is the multiplayer which again only served to hurt the industry as a whole.

There are plenty things that Halo did that were kind of refreshing for the time. Not having to search for medpacks was one. The fact that you could use almost every gun in the game from the get-go was another. The interiors were admittedly bland and repetitive in the first game, but that's mostly been fixed in the sequels.

There's also a lot to be said about the holier-than-thou attitude a lot of the Halo haters have. Trying to be above them and then posting thing like...

youd best not bash 'casual gamers' as you most likely belong to a subset that came into gaming later and ruined alot of it for those of us who have been doing it for ages.

...doesn't really make you sound less annoying than them. They also ignore what the gaming landscape was like before Halo's success. There were a lot of PC game companies were busy trying to replicate the success of Doom and Quake by doing their own FPS knockoffs of them, while the console landscape was filled to the brim with bland platformers till FFVII came along and we were getting swamped with bland JRPGs after that. Anyone remember games like Vandal Hearts and/or Septerra Core? If you don't, then it's because they were the blandest JRPG-type games you could find on the market.

See, don't you feel like buying some aluminum now? No? Why not?

You forget that those hating Halo are often equally willing to shout it to you. With equal vigor. Often.

Frankly the 'holier than thou' is to show people that they need to shut up and stop sounding like that. They have no reason to ***** because they 'screwed things up' for us the way 'casual gamers' have for them. There were plenty of amazing games before and after FF7 both on and off the consoles that got quashed. JRPGs had stories that were often complex, dark, and interesting like the good books they should have been. Western RPGs borrowed heavily from Tabletop games and offered alot of freedom. Yes there was plenty of crap, and there is now, but the point is that nothing really bad is happening, the market shifts some but stays much the same. I am trying to make one simple point.

"We lost some of our games when the FPS became big, We coped, we have good games to play still, Quit playing chicken little and have your fun."