Why does everyone love Bioshock?

[Treblaine]

Sure the story was decent with a few cool plot twists but that didn't make up for the tedious gameplay which became boring and repetitive.

Sorry it isn't an incredibly linear game that leads you by the hand like Cowadooty, telling you all there is to do.

The combat has incredible depth, but if you don't seek it out (easy if you play on childlike easy setting) then you will not appreciate it.

(1) did you max out research for each enemy type (including turrets and bots)?
(2) did you specialise in any tonics?
(3) did you try new ways of hunting the big daddy?
(5) Did you customise controls in any way to fit your playstyle?
(6) did you bother reading any of the audio-logs or even think about mise-en-scene?
(7) Did you draw a plasmid upgrade plan?
(8) Did you ever select a new plasmid power on the fly? (such as select TK and grab grenade out of air to throw back!)
(9) Did you hack any machine to use as an ally?

and finally:

(10) do you love Michael Bay's 'Transformers' movies.

If that last answer is a yes, or no to even half of 1-9 I'll know where to file your crazy opinion: as utterly irrelevant.

In my other posts you will see that I have said that

a) I was playing on hardest difficulty

b) It was actually quite linear (did the half-life 2 trick of seeming open but being extremely narrow).

And I have seemed to have done everything on your list (including hating the Transformers movies) and guess what? Still find the game a 6/10 at best

WHAT!?!?

Explain to me how THIS:

Is linear??!?!

You can't. Not without lying.

Yeah, it's not a sandbox game like GTA4 but it is as open as an underwater city under lockdown can be. You even have bathyspheres to travel between each district. You are given so many options and if you are unimaginative you can use the same guns and plasmids over and over again depriving yourself.

You've got nothing but nonsense double-talk. You say Up is Down, Left is Right and expect us to agree with you because you seem to confuse respect for difference of opinion with recognition or arbitrarily contrarian opinions.

You also realise that 6/10 IS below average (average score for video games is 7.5/10 and that's a fact). Though you seem to be in the habit of diverging from all common sense and conventions.

6/10 game would be something like Gangsters 2: Vendetta [http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/gangsters-2-vendetta]

You know full well that 6/10 is a shit score, for shit games. So what the hell are you doing?

You know it is against forum rules to be blatantly flaming?

Of all the silly, irrelevant threads/topics I every so often see on the Escapist, this takes the prize. Did you really need to create a topic just for this? Anyway, the game has just done alot of things correctly, such as gameplay, story, aestetics and more. I wasn't overwhelmed by Dragon Age either, but I really don't feel like making a topic for it.

Explain to me how this is silly, I don't understand.

No. YOU FIRST! You explain yourself.

You explain how Bioshock is as bad as "Dark Void", "Rio (the game of the movie)" or "Crash: Mind over Mutant"? Because that is what you are saying when you say it is a 6/10 game, those are also 6/10 games!


I'm not going to argue with a philistine, it is 'pearls before swine'.

If you have REAL criticisms, I'd like to hear them. But all I seem to be getting for you is double talk, which I have seen before. You don't like this game for a reason you are too ashamed to admit, even to yourself.

I Don't Know what it is. You haven't explained your problem, just foisted your shallow conjecture on us and expect us to accept them as if they were our own opinions.

Spoiler: Like you say the gameplay is bad, with all the scores of different ways of killing enemies, let me list 20 off the top of my head:

1-hit with incinerate -> flees to water, electrocute for extra high damage
2-Electro-bolt + wrench for 4x damage
3-nitro splicer throws grenade, catch with TK and throw back
4-houdini splicer disappears, launch Swarm to show where they form
5-use TK to catch fireball and throw back
6-hypnotise big daddy as an ally
7-hack turret or bots to use as allies
8-chased by thugish splicer, leap over trap bolt that he runs into
9-use enrage to turn one against group
10-kill enemy with a single headshot from revolver
11-sonic-boom blast enemies back and stuns them, finish off with wrench
12-Target dummy to cluster enemies then fire grenade into group
13-use bolt-gun for ultra-power shot with challenge of high arcing trajectory
14-hack medi-station, injured splicer uses it gets poisoned
15-cyclone trap with proximity mine on ceiling = what goes up, must explode
16-attach a load of proxy-mines to explosive barrel and fire at big-daddy for massive damage
17-deliberately fail hacking to summon security bots, then paint big-daddy with security-command to have him slowly whittled away without ever targeting you
18-balance different ammo types for almost every enemy, armour piercing for bots, AP for splicers
19-freeze and shatter quickly by throwing object at it with Tk
20-sprint close dodging fire to kill with a close range shotty blast.

THINK. Think about what is the problem, not just "It's not exactly like Fallout 3!!"

 

[Ascarus]

great.fucking.story.

everything was just OK for me.

 

[Vivi22]

People kept on praising the story when games like Fallout and Mass Effect's story is 10x better.

They really weren't. At least not if we're talking Fallout 3 and the original Mass Effect. The former had the boring story I've encountered in a game in quite some time, filled with bland characters, lame dialogue and events I couldn't really care less about (some of the side quests were better, but the main story was poorly written and poorly told). Mass Effect on the other hand was basically riffing off of every common sci-fi trope you can name and not even doing it in a very original way. The entire story was fairly predictable and seemed like it was just going through the motions.

On the other hand, I can at least give Bioshock credit for producing an interesting and original world to explore, with equally interesting characters and at least one major plot twist which I found not only thought provoking, but doubt anyone would have really predicted.

My praise for the game pretty much ends there though. The gameplay was mediocre at best, and any potential plasmids had to let you mix and match powers for interesting effects and emergent gameplay was squandered by the fat that you could beat pretty much anything without them at all and switching between them was cumbersome at best. There was a lot of potential on the gameplay front and they squandered pretty much all of it.

 

[Justice4L]

Sure the story was decent with a few cool plot twists but that didn't make up for the tedious gameplay which became boring and repetitive.

Sorry it isn't an incredibly linear game that leads you by the hand like Cowadooty, telling you all there is to do.

The combat has incredible depth, but if you don't seek it out (easy if you play on childlike easy setting) then you will not appreciate it.

(1) did you max out research for each enemy type (including turrets and bots)?
(2) did you specialise in any tonics?
(3) did you try new ways of hunting the big daddy?
(5) Did you customise controls in any way to fit your playstyle?
(6) did you bother reading any of the audio-logs or even think about mise-en-scene?
(7) Did you draw a plasmid upgrade plan?
(8) Did you ever select a new plasmid power on the fly? (such as select TK and grab grenade out of air to throw back!)
(9) Did you hack any machine to use as an ally?

and finally:

(10) do you love Michael Bay's 'Transformers' movies.

If that last answer is a yes, or no to even half of 1-9 I'll know where to file your crazy opinion: as utterly irrelevant.

In my other posts you will see that I have said that

a) I was playing on hardest difficulty

b) It was actually quite linear (did the half-life 2 trick of seeming open but being extremely narrow).

And I have seemed to have done everything on your list (including hating the Transformers movies) and guess what? Still find the game a 6/10 at best

WHAT!?!?

Explain to me how THIS:

Is linear??!?!

You can't. Not without lying.

Yeah, it's not a sandbox game like GTA4 but it is as open as an underwater city under lockdown can be. You even have bathyspheres to travel between each district. You are given so many options and if you are unimaginative you can use the same guns and plasmids over and over again depriving yourself.

You've got nothing but nonsense double-talk. You say Up is Down, Left is Right and expect us to agree with you because you seem to confuse respect for difference of opinion with recognition or arbitrarily contrarian opinions.

You also realise that 6/10 IS below average (average score for video games is 7.5/10 and that's a fact). Though you seem to be in the habit of diverging from all common sense and conventions.

6/10 game would be something like Gangsters 2: Vendetta [http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/gangsters-2-vendetta]

You know full well that 6/10 is a shit score, for shit games. So what the hell are you doing?

You know it is against forum rules to be blatantly flaming?

Of all the silly, irrelevant threads/topics I every so often see on the Escapist, this takes the prize. Did you really need to create a topic just for this? Anyway, the game has just done alot of things correctly, such as gameplay, story, aestetics and more. I wasn't overwhelmed by Dragon Age either, but I really don't feel like making a topic for it.

Explain to me how this is silly, I don't understand.

No. YOU FIRST! You explain yourself.

You explain how Bioshock is as bad as "Dark Void", "Rio (the game of the movie)" or "Crash: Mind over Mutant"? Because that is what you are saying when you say it is a 6/10 game, those are also 6/10 games!


I'm not going to argue with a philistine, it is 'pearls before swine'.

If you have REAL criticisms, I'd like to hear them. But all I seem to be getting for you is double talk, which I have seen before. You don't like this game for a reason you are too ashamed to admit, even to yourself.

I Don't Know what it is. You haven't explained your problem, just foisted your shallow conjecture on us and expect us to accept them as if they were our own opinions.

Spoiler: Like you say the gameplay is bad, with all the scores of different ways of killing enemies, let me list 20 off the top of my head:

1-hit with incinerate -> flees to water, electrocute for extra high damage
2-Electro-bolt + wrench for 4x damage
3-nitro splicer throws grenade, catch with TK and throw back
4-houdini splicer disappears, launch Swarm to show where they form
5-use TK to catch fireball and throw back
6-hypnotise big daddy as an ally
7-hack turret or bots to use as allies
8-chased by thugish splicer, leap over trap bolt that he runs into
9-use enrage to turn one against group
10-kill enemy with a single headshot from revolver
11-sonic-boom blast enemies back and stuns them, finish off with wrench
12-Target dummy to cluster enemies then fire grenade into group
13-use bolt-gun for ultra-power shot with challenge of high arcing trajectory
14-hack medi-station, injured splicer uses it gets poisoned
15-cyclone trap with proximity mine on ceiling = what goes up, must explode
16-attach a load of proxy-mines to explosive barrel and fire at big-daddy for massive damage
17-deliberately fail hacking to summon security bots, then paint big-daddy with security-command to have him slowly whittled away without ever targeting you
18-balance different ammo types for almost every enemy, armour piercing for bots, AP for splicers
19-freeze and shatter quickly by throwing object at it with Tk
20-sprint close dodging fire to kill with a close range shotty blast.

THINK. Think about what is the problem, not just "It's not exactly like Fallout 3!!"

Whew, feel better now.

I don't really like it when people flame at me when they do not properly read what I am saying, anyway... I honestly believe it is a 6/10 game and that is MY opinion not yours but MINE. The whole point of this thread is to see other people's opinions, not to just, well do what you just did. If you like the game, so be it, good for you but don't try to put my opinion down because it conflicts with yours. My opinion is clear, it is average, it is not convoluted or hard to understand. An opinion is common sense as it is my own and to be quite fair Rio the game is a masterpiece of modern technology (jkes). I would be a philistine if I said all art was terrible and deserved to be burnt but I didn't. I said one game was just deeply average, nothing more.

 

[Retronana]

Bioshock was brilliant for 3 reasons:
Immense atmosphere+Story
Tactical and experimental game play
Great social commentary (just me being nerdy)

 

[CityofTreez]

People kept on praising the story when games like Fallout and Mass Effect's story is 10x better.

They really weren't. At least not if we're talking Fallout 3 and the original Mass Effect. The former had the boring story I've encountered in a game in quite some time, filled with bland characters, lame dialogue and events I couldn't really care less about (some of the side quests were better, but the main story was poorly written and poorly told).

It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who thought Fallout 3 was very overrated.

 

[Justice4L]

Sure the story was decent with a few cool plot twists but that didn't make up for the tedious gameplay which became boring and repetitive.

Sorry it isn't an incredibly linear game that leads you by the hand like Cowadooty, telling you all there is to do.

The combat has incredible depth, but if you don't seek it out (easy if you play on childlike easy setting) then you will not appreciate it.

(1) did you max out research for each enemy type (including turrets and bots)?
(2) did you specialise in any tonics?
(3) did you try new ways of hunting the big daddy?
(5) Did you customise controls in any way to fit your playstyle?
(6) did you bother reading any of the audio-logs or even think about mise-en-scene?
(7) Did you draw a plasmid upgrade plan?
(8) Did you ever select a new plasmid power on the fly? (such as select TK and grab grenade out of air to throw back!)
(9) Did you hack any machine to use as an ally?

and finally:

(10) do you love Michael Bay's 'Transformers' movies.

If that last answer is a yes, or no to even half of 1-9 I'll know where to file your crazy opinion: as utterly irrelevant.

In my other posts you will see that I have said that

a) I was playing on hardest difficulty

b) It was actually quite linear (did the half-life 2 trick of seeming open but being extremely narrow).

And I have seemed to have done everything on your list (including hating the Transformers movies) and guess what? Still find the game a 6/10 at best

WHAT!?!?

Explain to me how THIS:

Is linear??!?!

You can't. Not without lying.

Yeah, it's not a sandbox game like GTA4 but it is as open as an underwater city under lockdown can be. You even have bathyspheres to travel between each district. You are given so many options and if you are unimaginative you can use the same guns and plasmids over and over again depriving yourself.

You've got nothing but nonsense double-talk. You say Up is Down, Left is Right and expect us to agree with you because you seem to confuse respect for difference of opinion with recognition or arbitrarily contrarian opinions.

You also realise that 6/10 IS below average (average score for video games is 7.5/10 and that's a fact). Though you seem to be in the habit of diverging from all common sense and conventions.

6/10 game would be something like Gangsters 2: Vendetta [http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/gangsters-2-vendetta]

You know full well that 6/10 is a shit score, for shit games. So what the hell are you doing?

You know it is against forum rules to be blatantly flaming?

Of all the silly, irrelevant threads/topics I every so often see on the Escapist, this takes the prize. Did you really need to create a topic just for this? Anyway, the game has just done alot of things correctly, such as gameplay, story, aestetics and more. I wasn't overwhelmed by Dragon Age either, but I really don't feel like making a topic for it.

Explain to me how this is silly, I don't understand.

No. YOU FIRST! You explain yourself.

You explain how Bioshock is as bad as "Dark Void", "Rio (the game of the movie)" or "Crash: Mind over Mutant"? Because that is what you are saying when you say it is a 6/10 game, those are also 6/10 games!


I'm not going to argue with a philistine, it is 'pearls before swine'.

If you have REAL criticisms, I'd like to hear them. But all I seem to be getting for you is double talk, which I have seen before. You don't like this game for a reason you are too ashamed to admit, even to yourself.

I Don't Know what it is. You haven't explained your problem, just foisted your shallow conjecture on us and expect us to accept them as if they were our own opinions.

Spoiler: Like you say the gameplay is bad, with all the scores of different ways of killing enemies, let me list 20 off the top of my head:

1-hit with incinerate -> flees to water, electrocute for extra high damage
2-Electro-bolt + wrench for 4x damage
3-nitro splicer throws grenade, catch with TK and throw back
4-houdini splicer disappears, launch Swarm to show where they form
5-use TK to catch fireball and throw back
6-hypnotise big daddy as an ally
7-hack turret or bots to use as allies
8-chased by thugish splicer, leap over trap bolt that he runs into
9-use enrage to turn one against group
10-kill enemy with a single headshot from revolver
11-sonic-boom blast enemies back and stuns them, finish off with wrench
12-Target dummy to cluster enemies then fire grenade into group
13-use bolt-gun for ultra-power shot with challenge of high arcing trajectory
14-hack medi-station, injured splicer uses it gets poisoned
15-cyclone trap with proximity mine on ceiling = what goes up, must explode
16-attach a load of proxy-mines to explosive barrel and fire at big-daddy for massive damage
17-deliberately fail hacking to summon security bots, then paint big-daddy with security-command to have him slowly whittled away without ever targeting you
18-balance different ammo types for almost every enemy, armour piercing for bots, AP for splicers
19-freeze and shatter quickly by throwing object at it with Tk
20-sprint close dodging fire to kill with a close range shotty blast.

THINK. Think about what is the problem, not just "It's not exactly like Fallout 3!!"

Whew, you feel better now?

Alright what I have been saying is MY opinion. Not yours but MINE. If you like the game, fine but don't flame me because my opinions conflict with yours. I'm obviously new to maths because apparently 7.5/10 is the new 1/2. What I'm saying is I found the game average. It's not convoluted, it's very clear. The game is neither brilliant nor terrible. But hey, that is MY opinion. I'm glad yours is different otherwise the world would be boring. It just seems to me that you are defending the game without listening to my points.

 

[JasonKaotic]

The topic title was poorly worded. People may be annoyed by it. Just sayin'.
I personally loved BioShock, and I'm not a FPS fan at all. The story was pretty good, Rapture was a great place, Plasmids were fun (although I usually just one-hitted enemies with my wrench), and it was just generally a fun game. It wasn't scary in the slightest though, I don't get why people think it's a horror. I always found it closer to funny than scary.
Although, even as a BioShock lover, I can admit it does rip off System Shock 2 horrifically.

EDIT: Didn't know they had the same makers 'til now. Ignore that last comment.

 

[CityofTreez]

The topic title was poorly worded. People may be annoyed by it. Just sayin'.
I personally loved BioShock, and I'm not a FPS fan at all. The story was pretty good, Rapture was a great place, Plasmids were fun (although I usually just one-hitted enemies with my wrench), and it was just generally a fun game. It wasn't scary in the slightest though, I don't get why people think it's a horror. I always found it closer to funny than scary.
Although, even as a BioShock lover, I can admit it does rip off System Shock 2 horrifically.

Of course it did. The same people who made Bioshock also made System Shock. >.>

I still think Bioshcok is better than System Shock.

lol?

 

[Treblaine]

The gameplay was really great for the first few hours but it did get a bit repetitive during the middle sections. I basically did the freeze/shoot combo for most of the game. I wish the game would've had situations that forced you into changing up your tactics. Later in the game, I choose to start using the wrench and with all the right tonics stacked, the wrench was so overpowered.

This is what I am talking about, gamers over dependence on "hand-holding".

EVEN IF BORED you won't try anything new until it is SO LONG into the game! You say you have to be forced by game design to try something you want to try anyway. How about you actually use the freedom that is given to you than demand that other freedoms are taken away for you to try them.

Why weren't you trying all the weapons at a steadier pace?

You are complaining because he didn't limit himself due to bad game design?

Jesus christ...

N.O.P.E

Fail attempt at putting words into my mouth.

Limit himself? How is willingly trying out NEW THINGS a LIMITATION?!?!? What he is saying is the game SHOULD have limited him, and FORCED him to use different weapons/plasmids and combos rather than just trying them himself out of sheer boredom/curiosity.

He WAS limiting himself by his nonsensical refusal to try new combos till he was bored to the point of quitting. Gamers today are so dependant on hand-holding, it is beyond their comprehension to try something without being rail-roaded into it. I am arguing AGAINST limitation, both the player's own limitation (to stick with familiar weapons) and also Against any idea that developers should limit the game to force you to try new things.

There was no bad game design, except for all the games previously that has gamers "raised in captivity" unable to think for themselves in games they aren't ready to appreciated freedom when it is given to them. And they call it bad game design.

He is saying there should be a reason to use the other plasmids instead of the ice combo and that is a perfectly valid point.

I love how you are trying to act all high and mighty in this games defence when in reality it is a dumbed down game itself, made for dumbed down gamers.

I'm reminded about something to do with a pot, kettles and black...

Look at System Shock 2, look at Bioshock. I hope you realise you have been insulting yourself as Bioshock does hold your hand and is dumbed down whether you want to admit it or not and that is the very thing you are against.

You don't seem to have played either. Nor thought particularly hard about what you are saying, just regurgitating the same narrow arguments the traditionalists have been using since 2007.

Bioshock doesn't hold your hand any more than System Shock 2.

You seem to be confusing:

"get rid of bullshit like your weapon dissolving after 10 shots"
___and___
"constrain the freedom of the player to compensate for poor player imagination"

You have just as much, actually MORE freedom in Bioshock! You don't have to be stuck along a particular path of plasmids/tonics, there is more CHOICE there to swap out and try different things! System Shock 2 limited things so much that you were forced to ignore whole aspects of gameplay to focus on a few areas specialising enough to make it through the game.

Bioshock gives so much freedom, in options and resources to explore those options.

Actually, Bioshock DOES give you occasion to try new things, like in Fontaine Fisheries you temporarily lose all your weapons but the wrench (keeping plasmids of course).

"He is saying there should be a reason to use the other plasmids"

There is, it's called endeavour. It's the reason Human Beings have created civilisation and travelled as far as The Moon while our Chimpanzee cousins are still shitting in trees.

The logic astounds me. He is bored of using just ice-combo, yet will not endeavour to try something new to break that monotony??!?!

"hmmm I'm sick of buying and eating this flavour of ice cream, yeah there are plenty of other flavours but I need someone to force me to try something new"

Do games REALLY need to pander to such foolishness?

 

[JasonKaotic]

The topic title was poorly worded. People may be annoyed by it. Just sayin'.
I personally loved BioShock, and I'm not a FPS fan at all. The story was pretty good, Rapture was a great place, Plasmids were fun (although I usually just one-hitted enemies with my wrench), and it was just generally a fun game. It wasn't scary in the slightest though, I don't get why people think it's a horror. I always found it closer to funny than scary.
Although, even as a BioShock lover, I can admit it does rip off System Shock 2 horrifically.

Of course it did. The same people who made Bioshock also made System Shock. >.>

...Oh. I totally knew that. >_>

 

[GameMaNiAC]

Mass effects story is fairly good but fallout 3 NOPE

Spoiler: fallout 3 story is not very good

Mostly due to the massive plot hole of going in at the end when you have a Super mutant standing next to you, who is immune to radiation

Uhh... you can actually make him enter the chamber, in case you didn't know. You need the Broken Steel add-on, I think. Don't remember. And if not, it's your own fault you made that choice, it's not a plot hole.

 

[Treblaine]

You seem to have mistaken "edit" with re-quoting. Once is enough.

I'm obviously new to maths because apparently 7.5/10 is the new 1/2.

Is that supposed to be sarcasm? because it's clear you are more than "new" to maths, it seems you dropped the subject at the first opportunity, let me educate you:

HALF OF A WHOLE DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN AVERAGE

If 3 people in a class taking a maths test score 9 point, 8 points and 7 points (out of a test with maximum score of 10) then the average score is 8/10.

You can't find the average score by just taking the highest score possible and dividing by two!!!! Schoolboy error.

What I'm saying is I found the game average.

That is obvious.

What you have not done is explained why the hell you would think that.

This is a forum for DISCUSSION, not blind acceptance of other opinions without any dialogue or explanation. I am AGAIN asking you to Think and be Analytical, you have made bold claims and we have all come here expectant that they will be backed up by more than;

"hhuuuhh, just look at Mass Effect and Fallout 3.... those are different from Bioshock"

Also enough of the nonsense that the gameplay is too boring, a game that has more enemy variety and ways of killing them than 95% of the games out there. Most gameplay of other games is "shoot foreign infantryman". I wonder what enemy will be around the next corner? Could it possibly by another guy with an assault rifle occasionally popping out of cover? It is! (rinse repeat for next 4 hours).

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

This topic made me mime driving an invisible rail road spike into my forehead. Why are people on this site so damn surprised whenever they disagree with the majority? Why can't they just be secure in their opinions without running to internet for validation? If you don't like it, THAT'S FINE. What does it MATTER that a lot of other people do?? Why can't you just NOT LIKE the damn thing and leave it at that?

Christ, I hate this community sometimes.[footnote]Go ahead. TRY to tell me that this site doesn't have a serious problem with "Why does everyone like/dislike this game?" topics.[/footnote]

EDIT: Oh, and on an unrelated note: I have something to say to anyone who complains about linear shooters "like Cod"[footnote]This being the ultimate insult, apparently.[/footnote]...You know what else was linear? FUCKING HALF LIFE!!!! Just thought it was worth mentioning.

 

[Treblaine]

The whole point of this thread is to see other people's opinions, not to just, well do what you just did.

No. This thread - and all threads on this site - are all about what I just did: challenging of your opinion.

If you won't defend your opinion (because it is indefensible) then fine, be immature and refuse to own up to your petty and misleading attacks. You could back down with dignity and admit you took cheap shots, but you seem to refuse to accept that I challenge you on any of your "points".

I would be a philistine if I said all art was terrible and deserved to be burnt

Nope. You are thinking of Vandals (in the more conservative sense of that term).

Philistines just don't care, they are indifferent to exquisite works of art and presentations. you dismiss it along with calling the game average.

(again, both of these terms may have historical origins with actual historical peoples but it doesn't matter how the user of the term diverges from history, you SHOULD know what the term "philistine" means and how it is distinct from a Vandal)

 

[Treblaine]

Liked how they took a really simple idea and made it hard to figure out. Of course the gameplay is repetitive, its a FPS. You think they were just going to change up the gameplay and add tanks and crap. I can't stand it when people use the word repetitive because half the games they play are like that. Everything was great in Bioshock until I became overpowered with tonics.

Look the "repetitive gameplay" is the stock straw man insult that ALL fanboy haters use to bash games they have prejudice against.

Because EVERY game is repetitive! Yet at the same time, repetition is something we (semantically) don't want though really if it actually has enough variety and challenge between repetition that is not a problem. Except if it is not the game they want it to me then they declare it shit with scores like 6/10.

They don't stop for a second that they don't like the game simply for what it isn't, rather than what it is! (OP just seems to want Fallout 3 under the sea and anything else is auto-shit)

 

[Piecewise]

The gameplay was really great for the first few hours but it did get a bit repetitive during the middle sections. I basically did the freeze/shoot combo for most of the game. I wish the game would've had situations that forced you into changing up your tactics. Later in the game, I choose to start using the wrench and with all the right tonics stacked, the wrench was so overpowered.

This is what I am talking about, gamers over dependence on "hand-holding".

EVEN IF BORED you won't try anything new until it is SO LONG into the game! You say you have to be forced by game design to try something you want to try anyway. How about you actually use the freedom that is given to you than demand that other freedoms are taken away for you to try them.

Why weren't you trying all the weapons at a steadier pace?

You are complaining because he didn't limit himself due to bad game design?

Jesus christ...

N.O.P.E

Fail attempt at putting words into my mouth.

Limit himself? How is willingly trying out NEW THINGS a LIMITATION?!?!? What he is saying is the game SHOULD have limited him, and FORCED him to use different weapons/plasmids and combos rather than just trying them himself out of sheer boredom/curiosity.

He WAS limiting himself by his nonsensical refusal to try new combos till he was bored to the point of quitting. Gamers today are so dependant on hand-holding, it is beyond their comprehension to try something without being rail-roaded into it. I am arguing AGAINST limitation, both the player's own limitation (to stick with familiar weapons) and also Against any idea that developers should limit the game to force you to try new things.

There was no bad game design, except for all the games previously that has gamers "raised in captivity" unable to think for themselves in games they aren't ready to appreciated freedom when it is given to them. And they call it bad game design.

He is saying there should be a reason to use the other plasmids instead of the ice combo and that is a perfectly valid point.

I love how you are trying to act all high and mighty in this games defence when in reality it is a dumbed down game itself, made for dumbed down gamers.

I'm reminded about something to do with a pot, kettles and black...

Look at System Shock 2, look at Bioshock. I hope you realise you have been insulting yourself as Bioshock does hold your hand and is dumbed down whether you want to admit it or not and that is the very thing you are against.

System shock 2 sucks. It is hours upon hours of killing the same 4 enemies with a wrench. It's design is monotonous, it's gameplay is stiff, it's attempts at horror are hilariously lackluster and rip off every scifi trope imaginable. The fact that it has a deep rpg system doesn't excuse the fact that the fps thats wrapped around that system is a boring slog. I played system shock 2 for 15 hours, waiting in vain for it to start to get interesting and it never fucking did.

Bioshock may not have had the same level of rpg goodness that system shock 2 did, but at least it was competent in it's gameplay.

 

[faspxina]

I've got bored halfway through, didn't pay much attention to the audio recordings either.

One day I decided to finish the damn thing and changed the difficulty to easy so the experience would be as quick as possible and that easy final half of the game was the most fun I've had with it. I even felt like starting a new game.

Also, is it me, or does the plot only basically develops at the beginning and the end of the game (audio recordings aside)? It felt like if Bioshock was a book, most of the chapters would take place in the later parts of the game.

 

[sivlin]

Oh Bioshock; how I love you.

Try playing the game and actually paying attention to the story and the environment. They did not create this game as a goal based first person shooter where you just meandered through the levels until you fought a random boss battle. Every person within Rapture was important. You were not killing some corporation's goons. You were killing people driven mad by ADAM. You were traveling through a world - destroyed by man. The main story characters each had a past. They were all eccentric. They were all people at their best driven to their worst and you were a stranger within their world.

The real beauty of Bioshock was that the world seemed possible. Everything within Rapture was a product of the imagination of men left free to do anything and everything. Of course there are some artistic liberties taken in the form of ADAM (But I guess there really could be a sea slug that allows for the splicing of human DNA).

All in all, Bioshock is probably my favorite game. I would change almost nothing about the game were I given the choice.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

I enjoyed it. Then sold it as i had no interest in replaying it again. I get that with most games, although atleast Bioshock had nice design an character to the game world.