Sexual frustration is a way someone pushes themself to do it. Others have a sick need for being dominant.
In the end all rapist are messed up in the head.
In the end all rapist are messed up in the head.
Why does Rape exist?
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I'd still maintain rape happens both because of a need to show dominance and a simple case of wanting sex more than wanting to show any care or respect to the victim. I don't think there's one kind of rape.
As for 'rape' jokes, jokes where the victim or butt of the joke are the rape victim, that's VERY hard to make funny, however, there's enough ways to create witty wordplay, or the use of the pull back and reveal, etc, where the word or concept of rape is involved, where it's entirely acceptable (imo) to find the line funny.
I'd gladly not hear the kind of hateful 'jokes' which just glorify in a victim's misery, however, a blanket 'no jokes about rape' would be a bad thing.
It's like I'm on Alan Moore's side about images of naked children can have artistic merit, and Rowan Atkinson's side about joking about religious beliefs should be protected.
Just because there's a bad part to something, the whole concept doesn't need a ban.
I think it'll really help if in the future we manage to equalise the idea of sexuality of men and women, as women are still made to feel bad if they enjoy sex with more than one partner, whereas men are seen almost as heroes for plowing thru dozens of partners.
As for 'rape' jokes, jokes where the victim or butt of the joke are the rape victim, that's VERY hard to make funny, however, there's enough ways to create witty wordplay, or the use of the pull back and reveal, etc, where the word or concept of rape is involved, where it's entirely acceptable (imo) to find the line funny.
I'd gladly not hear the kind of hateful 'jokes' which just glorify in a victim's misery, however, a blanket 'no jokes about rape' would be a bad thing.
It's like I'm on Alan Moore's side about images of naked children can have artistic merit, and Rowan Atkinson's side about joking about religious beliefs should be protected.
Just because there's a bad part to something, the whole concept doesn't need a ban.
I think it'll really help if in the future we manage to equalise the idea of sexuality of men and women, as women are still made to feel bad if they enjoy sex with more than one partner, whereas men are seen almost as heroes for plowing thru dozens of partners.
Well, you have something I want, if I decide the risk involved with taking it is worth the reward, why shouldn't I?
That's about as simple as it gets, really. All you need to do to see we haven't evolved past even the most basic urges and concepts is look out a window.
That's about as simple as it gets, really. All you need to do to see we haven't evolved past even the most basic urges and concepts is look out a window.
The general theory is the rape is a violent crime, rather than a sexual one, which usually involves a rapist asserting dominance, control and power over their victim.
As for reasons why rape happens, the contributing factors range from wider social issues (including attitudes towards sexism, unemployment etc) down to more personal issues (ie. abuser has also been abused, raised in violent home, drink/drugs etc.).
Personally, while I think a lot of this is true, I also think there's obviously some point at which beat-down violence becomes a rape, and it would be extremely fascinating to see the results of a study into it.
I believe that a lot of the emphasis on the "violence" over the "sexual" is in part due to the fact that this offers the best results for rape victims to move into a stage of recovery and regain control of their lives.
Unfortunately, when studies are carried out into rape, it's generally into specifics of treating Rape Trauma Syndrome, rather than looking into the rapists themselves
As for reasons why rape happens, the contributing factors range from wider social issues (including attitudes towards sexism, unemployment etc) down to more personal issues (ie. abuser has also been abused, raised in violent home, drink/drugs etc.).
Personally, while I think a lot of this is true, I also think there's obviously some point at which beat-down violence becomes a rape, and it would be extremely fascinating to see the results of a study into it.
I believe that a lot of the emphasis on the "violence" over the "sexual" is in part due to the fact that this offers the best results for rape victims to move into a stage of recovery and regain control of their lives.
Unfortunately, when studies are carried out into rape, it's generally into specifics of treating Rape Trauma Syndrome, rather than looking into the rapists themselves
Despite the common prevailing belief that "rape is about violence/power rather than sex," I disagree with that entirely. Violence, power and sex are far from mutually exclusive.
But that's a philosophical argument. In more concrete terms, forced mating is just one more reproductive strategy for many species. The sexuality of ducks (yes, cute quacking ducks) is particularly disturbing. Many species of duck are involved in a genital arms races between the sexes. As female ducks evolve deeper and more complicated vaginal channels to avoid being forcibly impregnated by unwanted suitors, males keep pace with longer and more complicated penises. I'm not making this up, here's an absolutely true and cited article detailing it: http://www.cracked.com/funny-2938-duck-rape/
So why does rape exist in evolutionary terms? The same reason sex exists: reproduction. Forceful reproduction.
But that's a philosophical argument. In more concrete terms, forced mating is just one more reproductive strategy for many species. The sexuality of ducks (yes, cute quacking ducks) is particularly disturbing. Many species of duck are involved in a genital arms races between the sexes. As female ducks evolve deeper and more complicated vaginal channels to avoid being forcibly impregnated by unwanted suitors, males keep pace with longer and more complicated penises. I'm not making this up, here's an absolutely true and cited article detailing it: http://www.cracked.com/funny-2938-duck-rape/
So why does rape exist in evolutionary terms? The same reason sex exists: reproduction. Forceful reproduction.
I never said that only man rape I think I should add that if all women where to get castrated humanity would also go extinctNovs said:
might as well ask why humans commit any shitty act, like murder, emotional abuse, etc. it happens because a lot of people are just not good people.
Yeah, and some people die from slipping on a banana, the joke is still being made.Rem45 said:
Rape is in no way special from any others of the death-chauvinism-racist jokes out there.
They're all morally wrong, but can still be funny.
It's only rape if one is unattractive.
Rape exists the same way arson, murder and jaywalking exist. Like many others have said before me, it's that thing about domination and power over someone weaker.
Rape exists the same way arson, murder and jaywalking exist. Like many others have said before me, it's that thing about domination and power over someone weaker.
It's more that we've established the need for consent, sentience and all that.bahumat42 said:
Technically, from an animal point of view, it's not wrong, it's just that we, as people, have decided that everyone has a right to choose, rather than using the animal system of "strongest gets what strongest wants".
See Conan for further info...
It's not as much about the sex as it is about the control. and the fear you are inducing in another individual.
Studying criminology as I am, I've been shown that it could be a multitude of reasons.
That being said it's, 9 times out of 10 a domination and control thing. You have your rapist who feels insecure about his station/importance/potential/what-have-you, he's frustrated, he desires a method to dominate or expend his power upon any other force he comes into contact with, he targets a victim (read; weaker individual outside of the presence of a suitable guardian) and proceeds to commit his crime. Not all rapists are overtly insecure, however...some incredibly successful people are rapists; those are the ones that have adapted to the lifestyle of the "control freak". He's grown to get his way, and he will seek to do so by any means necessary; once one presents a challenge (real or imagined...usually imagined, due to the sociopathic nature of the crime) to his authority, he views it as an invitation to "put them in their place"...this is pretty common in prison rape, where you see the more "successful" inmates feeding off of the newer, weaker ones.
Then you have the perverts that view it as a means of mitigating sexual frustration. That's another lecture entirely.
That being said it's, 9 times out of 10 a domination and control thing. You have your rapist who feels insecure about his station/importance/potential/what-have-you, he's frustrated, he desires a method to dominate or expend his power upon any other force he comes into contact with, he targets a victim (read; weaker individual outside of the presence of a suitable guardian) and proceeds to commit his crime. Not all rapists are overtly insecure, however...some incredibly successful people are rapists; those are the ones that have adapted to the lifestyle of the "control freak". He's grown to get his way, and he will seek to do so by any means necessary; once one presents a challenge (real or imagined...usually imagined, due to the sociopathic nature of the crime) to his authority, he views it as an invitation to "put them in their place"...this is pretty common in prison rape, where you see the more "successful" inmates feeding off of the newer, weaker ones.
Then you have the perverts that view it as a means of mitigating sexual frustration. That's another lecture entirely.
It exists because humans are animals. There is no way around this fact. The only thing we have that separates us from other life on the planet is civilization. Civilization is a set of rules placed on top of our natural instincts. The thing is, before humans agreed on rules and created villages and towns, 'rape' was just mating. Look in the wild, other animals just mate, there is no 'bad mating' and 'good mating'.
When you introduce civilization however, and create 'rights' and assign them to people. Then how people mate becomes and issue. Essentially what civilization does is allow people to ignore the law of survival of the fittest.
Just remember that rights are something that we as humans decided that we should each have and respect. They only exist because we say they do, and rape is only bad because we have agreed to respect the rights we have assigned ourselves.
Do not take this the wrong way. Im not advocating to remove rights of anyone, or condone actions that deny them to others. Im simply explaining why those actions still exist. Murder and theft can also be put into this topic. All of these actions still exist because humans are still animals playing with self enforced rules.
When you introduce civilization however, and create 'rights' and assign them to people. Then how people mate becomes and issue. Essentially what civilization does is allow people to ignore the law of survival of the fittest.
Just remember that rights are something that we as humans decided that we should each have and respect. They only exist because we say they do, and rape is only bad because we have agreed to respect the rights we have assigned ourselves.
Do not take this the wrong way. Im not advocating to remove rights of anyone, or condone actions that deny them to others. Im simply explaining why those actions still exist. Murder and theft can also be put into this topic. All of these actions still exist because humans are still animals playing with self enforced rules.
Well, there you go. You kind of answered your own question there. It's all about exerting power over people weaker than you.Vault101 said: