Wait, so you're saying that only mentally unstable people can understand rape?EmperorSubcutaneous said:
That's... Flawed logic, to say the least.
Why does Rape exist?
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That's... Flawed logic, to say the least.
Well, consider the 'lesser' beasts. The difference between normal sex and rape doesn't really exist with them, because it is pretty much completely instinctual. Many species even adapt ways for the males to force a female into sex.Vault101 said:
So that's our basis, that is where our sexual background comes from, sex that 'just happens'. However, with greater separation from instinct and more towards reason, comes the divide between our impulses and thought. When impulse wins, you get all sorts of crazy 'barbaric' things.
Rape is one of those things that just exists, and there's probably more than one reason why.
Dominance is certainly one major factor in it. Psychological analysis shows that people who rape are often the bullied and the downtrodden (not that I'm advocating it - BDSM works wonders for the rational). Sometimes it's just a lust for power. And some people are just into it, for whatever reason. It's not really something that can be explained completely through logical or rational thought.
Dominance is certainly one major factor in it. Psychological analysis shows that people who rape are often the bullied and the downtrodden (not that I'm advocating it - BDSM works wonders for the rational). Sometimes it's just a lust for power. And some people are just into it, for whatever reason. It's not really something that can be explained completely through logical or rational thought.
This response is all that really needs to be spoken in this thread.AccursedTheory said:
Very little rape cases are actually about the sexual pleasure, and more about the power to force another to be humiliated/do as you wish them to do. Most rapists come from families in which the parental figure displayed his/her dominance by physically or emotionally abusing the child in question, taking away most of their self-esteem (humiliation) and any perceived individual power. When they grow up, they like to try to take that power and self-esteem back by doing to others what was done to them. Of course, this course of action is a very misguided and morally wrong one, but understandable from a purely sociological and psychological point of view.
That's not true. You don't have to be something to understand it. Most people aren't rapists or murderers yet they can still understand WHY those people do what they do.chuckman1 said:
OT: A mixture of dominance and uncontrollable sexual desire.
That's absolutely not what I was saying. I was agreeing with you and just trying to find a possible positive in the common belief that rape is about sex.katsumoto03 said:
Just figuring that maybe their thought process goes something like "Well, I have sex with people because I have sexual urges and because I find those people attractive. I guess that's what rapists do too."
I always look for positives in things, and it seems to get me into trouble more often than not...
I read an interesting article on this subject a while back. I don't remember the article very well but i do remember it saying that rape was something written into human nature and had to do with dominance
I have heard this many time before and I find it rather odd.AccursedTheory said:
If it's just a matter of expressing dominance, why does the whole sex thing come into it at all?
Saying that the act of forcing someone to have sex with you has nothing to do with sex doesn't make much sense to me.
Would you feel more overwhelmed, embarrassed, and ultimately dominated if you lost a fist fight, or if someone forcibly shoved his dick in you?Zhukov said:
Humiliation is just another way we demonstrate power over each other. If I know you peed yourself in the 6th grade during class, and you are humiliated by this, I have power over you.Safaia said:
Dominance in regards to rape? A plethora of reasons really, it depends on the invdividual and their life experiences or mental state.chuckman1 said:
Maybe they feel like they have no control over their life, or were bullied as a child and, as a result, they feel weak as they were forced into compliance. Maybe they were the victim of domestic abuse, maybe they just have some overpowering urge to be in control and this is how they feed that urge and perhaps they were even raped themselves and felt the need to inflict that pain on others so that they didn't feel like a weak victim. These are just a few examples I can think of.
Because people want to have sex with people who don't want to have it.
If every woman always consented to sex, rape would not exist.
If every woman always consented to sex, rape would not exist.
Ah, but you see in the case of the fish the eggs are not fertilized until after the female has deposited them so when the male comes along and does the fertilizing there's no need to force himself on the female because the female is already gone by that point, so your example fails to prove anything. Fine me an example of a mammalian species where rape is part of reproduction and then maybe I'll concede your point. ...maybe.iblis666 said:
A more important question perhaps, why do rapists exist? sure rape is embedded in our prehistoric instincts, but we are no longer Neanderthals and rape is never justified. Rapists exist soley to ruin lives, and more importantly to give us something to shoot at.
I have a few close friends who are female rape victims, and because of their experiences they have developed issues with trusting males. From being so close to people who have firsthand experienced rape, and seeing their lives ruined, i have developed an extremely hostile attitude towards rape in any form. I believe pornography is one influence, and i actively protest against it, i could explain why, but i dont want to write a novel here, the short of it is, i think people see rape fantasies in pornography and think its "cool" or "fun" whatever. I also think its mostly a male problem, i go to an all boy secondary school and the amount of sexism towards females i see each and every day, is appalling. Kids looking up to people like Charlie Sheen and Tiger Woods, overhearing conversations like "Tiger Woods cheated on his wife with tons of chicks why is he in trouble? i think hes a legend!" hearing shit like that really brings my piss to a boil, coming from kids so young who will grow up with attitudes believing that women are there as entertainment and dont have needs of their own, the attitudes displayed by many celebrities that are being looked up at by kids, the problem also seems to be the amount of sexism and male chauvanism in todays society. I try to be a gentleman like my grandfather, who always told me a real man would never yell at a woman let alone hit one, and whenever he watched the news, or read the newspaper, if he ever saw a rape story, he would often show me and say something along the lines of "see that man? hes a rapist, hes not a man, hes a maggot, dont you EVER turn out like that!"
Sorry for my life story, but i have a lot to say on this subject, its had a big impact on my life, and the lives of many people close to me. I understand if no one reads it or whatever, it is a bit long
anyway, rape seems to be something that will just happen, whether it be psychological or just stupidity or scumminess. One controversial view ive held on to my whole life is that the death penalty in Australia should come back, especially for rapists. Some people were given life and exploited their chance (rapists) so i think its only fair they have their life taken from them too. They are worse than murderers in my opinion.
I have a few close friends who are female rape victims, and because of their experiences they have developed issues with trusting males. From being so close to people who have firsthand experienced rape, and seeing their lives ruined, i have developed an extremely hostile attitude towards rape in any form. I believe pornography is one influence, and i actively protest against it, i could explain why, but i dont want to write a novel here, the short of it is, i think people see rape fantasies in pornography and think its "cool" or "fun" whatever. I also think its mostly a male problem, i go to an all boy secondary school and the amount of sexism towards females i see each and every day, is appalling. Kids looking up to people like Charlie Sheen and Tiger Woods, overhearing conversations like "Tiger Woods cheated on his wife with tons of chicks why is he in trouble? i think hes a legend!" hearing shit like that really brings my piss to a boil, coming from kids so young who will grow up with attitudes believing that women are there as entertainment and dont have needs of their own, the attitudes displayed by many celebrities that are being looked up at by kids, the problem also seems to be the amount of sexism and male chauvanism in todays society. I try to be a gentleman like my grandfather, who always told me a real man would never yell at a woman let alone hit one, and whenever he watched the news, or read the newspaper, if he ever saw a rape story, he would often show me and say something along the lines of "see that man? hes a rapist, hes not a man, hes a maggot, dont you EVER turn out like that!"
Sorry for my life story, but i have a lot to say on this subject, its had a big impact on my life, and the lives of many people close to me. I understand if no one reads it or whatever, it is a bit long
anyway, rape seems to be something that will just happen, whether it be psychological or just stupidity or scumminess. One controversial view ive held on to my whole life is that the death penalty in Australia should come back, especially for rapists. Some people were given life and exploited their chance (rapists) so i think its only fair they have their life taken from them too. They are worse than murderers in my opinion.
Plenty of species of animals aren't like that. Some even kill the other afterwards.canadamus_prime said:
It's probably a left over of our genetics from when we were feral, a need to keep the status quo. Rape/Racism/Murder happens when people can't rise about their primal instincts.
