Yeah until he gets his head bashed in with a solid gold fiddle or when he loses his hands.Brnin8 said:
Why does the Devil Always Seem to Lose?
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Because God is stronger than the devil and gets a kick out of watching him fail, "so you reckon you're pretty good on the fiddle, well I'll just create someone who's better than you... Mwuhahahahaah!"
The concept of the original canon is one I find interesting. Depends on which original you're reffing, there.MaxTheReaper said:
On topic, though, it's because evil winning is really boring. If he came out and won, it would have been the outcome that everyone saw as predetermined (Think Satan v. Jesus Boxing Match). When the devil loses, that person that he lost too is obviously supreme, great, fantastic, maybe just an alright guy who's no longer out to prove himself to the world, or something. It's the same reason we root for the underdog, because that story is better. If the giant titanic powerhouse wins against the newly-arisen young hero with something to prove, then we all could have just said "Yup, saw that coming, silly blighter, shouldn't have done that, and could someone get a mop, please?" It's all about the story.
The Devil killed the main character at the end of "Devilman."
Then he enslaved himself to a demon he created for that very purpose.
So I guess he won....kinda.
On a side note: Yay. 2000 posts.
Then he enslaved himself to a demon he created for that very purpose.
So I guess he won....kinda.
On a side note: Yay. 2000 posts.
The devil sorta won on the movie the devils advocate.. I think that's the name.. the one with Keanu Reeves.
Would it make you feel better if they replaced the devil with Jesus or God? I'm sure that should be a good battle....
Yup, they lost big time. But the day was saved when JB reflected the devil's lightning with his acoustic (WTF?) and knocked off his horn, sending the devil back to hell.RedMenace said:
But they vanquished the shiny demon in Tribute as well, so I'm thinking that the Devil is just too evil to play music.
The Devil loses because he is made to lose.
It is a sad little fact of the human nature that we need someone 'who we can always beat up.' We need a bad guy and because of some sort of literary rule handed down from the start of time: The good guys always win. The story is written for us to feel with the good guy, for us to put ourselves in their shoes and for us to relate to thier situations. If this happens and the good guy looses, it makes us feel bad about ourselves on some level. Go figure, most humans are this easy to influence! Personally I find it sad the human mind can be influenced in such a way but we want the people we relate to be victorious simply cause it makes us feel better about ourselves.
Because the devil is cast as the bad guy then he has been made to lose before the whole story even begins. Doesn't matter if he was the best damn fiddle player out there, that managed complex riffs that would normally break your wrists, he would still have lost simply because he was viewed as the bad guy. It wouldn't matter if Johnny, in this example, couldn't play a single string correctly the non-existent judges would of given him the prize. Simply cause the Devil was the Devil and we all know the bad guy never wins....
I've often found it far more entertaining if there is the possibility of the people we relate to loosing in the end. Not only is it far more realistic, most times the good guys lose in real life, but it is more suspenseful and doesn't end up insult our intelligence like most movie do. Face it, when the good guy is outnumbered 1000 to 1 he should become nothing more then a smear on the ground. None of this bullshit slow motion filming where he manages to take down ten people with a single round, dodging a hail of bullets and coming away with out a single scratch....
I keep getting reminded of watchman... man vs being with god like powers. Won't say how it ended for those who don't know. Yet any contest with the Devil in it, another being with more then human power, should end the same damn way.
It is a sad little fact of the human nature that we need someone 'who we can always beat up.' We need a bad guy and because of some sort of literary rule handed down from the start of time: The good guys always win. The story is written for us to feel with the good guy, for us to put ourselves in their shoes and for us to relate to thier situations. If this happens and the good guy looses, it makes us feel bad about ourselves on some level. Go figure, most humans are this easy to influence! Personally I find it sad the human mind can be influenced in such a way but we want the people we relate to be victorious simply cause it makes us feel better about ourselves.
Because the devil is cast as the bad guy then he has been made to lose before the whole story even begins. Doesn't matter if he was the best damn fiddle player out there, that managed complex riffs that would normally break your wrists, he would still have lost simply because he was viewed as the bad guy. It wouldn't matter if Johnny, in this example, couldn't play a single string correctly the non-existent judges would of given him the prize. Simply cause the Devil was the Devil and we all know the bad guy never wins....
I've often found it far more entertaining if there is the possibility of the people we relate to loosing in the end. Not only is it far more realistic, most times the good guys lose in real life, but it is more suspenseful and doesn't end up insult our intelligence like most movie do. Face it, when the good guy is outnumbered 1000 to 1 he should become nothing more then a smear on the ground. None of this bullshit slow motion filming where he manages to take down ten people with a single round, dodging a hail of bullets and coming away with out a single scratch....
I keep getting reminded of watchman... man vs being with god like powers. Won't say how it ended for those who don't know. Yet any contest with the Devil in it, another being with more then human power, should end the same damn way.
Just clearing something up.
you can make a deal with the devil he doesn't cheat
Demons are the ones who screw you over. That's why he doesn't cheat to win
you can make a deal with the devil he doesn't cheat
Demons are the ones who screw you over. That's why he doesn't cheat to win
A fiddle made of solid gold will be way too heavy and sound terrible. Even with satanic riffs, you gotta have good tone.
