Why does the Human race use curency?

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SovietX

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Good luck finding billions of charity workers.

People like to feel worth. You feel like your someone when your paycheck arrives, you can feel all those hours of work in your hand as you go to cash it in and grab your cash. When you go to purchase something, its you saying "I Worked hard and now I shall play hard. See this money? I earnt it. It smells so good."
If any form of currency (Money or otherwise) did not exist, then a "Scratch my back and I will scratch yours." system would be introduced, and then basically people wouldnt be arsed doing anything at all.

Currency = Good
 

Antari

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Dimensional Vortex said:
Antari said:
Dimensional Vortex said:
Kiyotaki said:
How come we use currency, what if everything was free and done by charity workers?
Than everyone would be forced to become a charity worker. The problem with everyone being a charity worker (it was explained to me once) is that people will only do the jobs they want to do, say 60% of the population want to become a police officer than the other 40% do what they want, what person will be digging the graves? what person will be cleaning the schools? no one will be doing those jobs because they can do other jobs that they want.
Within the current plan, I'd agree. But there are other ways.
What do you mean? There are other ways instead of having everyone be a charity worker? Please elaborate on what you said.
The world is more than capable of providing for us all. If we use our knowledge properly. But this is not so at this point in time. Others in this thread have pointed to the alternative, you must only seek it.
 

Mcupobob

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Because I only care about I, myself, and family and friends also me. I try to be a good person and help where I can If I am giving the chance to judge them, but I can't then I just fall back on the assumption they're bastards.
 

Biscotti187

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why is looking to forward self interest necessarily unfortunate, its human and we all do it even its just so you can eat the next meal after "guarding" a museum for 8 hours
 

Dimensional Vortex

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Antari said:
Dimensional Vortex said:
Antari said:
Dimensional Vortex said:
Kiyotaki said:
How come we use currency, what if everything was free and done by charity workers?
Than everyone would be forced to become a charity worker. The problem with everyone being a charity worker (it was explained to me once) is that people will only do the jobs they want to do, say 60% of the population want to become a police officer than the other 40% do what they want, what person will be digging the graves? what person will be cleaning the schools? no one will be doing those jobs because they can do other jobs that they want.
Within the current plan, I'd agree. But there are other ways.
What do you mean? There are other ways instead of having everyone be a charity worker? Please elaborate on what you said.
The world is more than capable of providing for us all. If we use our knowledge properly. But this is not so at this point in time. Others in this thread have pointed to the alternative, you must only seek it.
Right there is the problem. If we ALL use our knowledge properly, how many people do you know that probably wouldn't use their knowledge properly, I just quickly came up with a hypothesis that majority of the world won't use their knowledge properly to make it so the world is more than capable of providing for us all. The current system with money isn't great but it works and that is all we need, the problem with money is that it often leads to the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Not to go on a rant about how bad money is but it is practically always the people with the most money who run the country or influence the lives of a lot of people in the country, but I guess it is better than the world crumbling due to people doing what ever jobs they want and then calling it charity.

P.S. With the charity idea that the forum starter had said, can you see how easily it would be abused? I could continuously ring pizza delivery men to run to my door with 10 pizzas each and I could eat all that I want and not have to give them anything except work at K-Mart, you see the jobs in the charity system are disproportionate to one another yet would be all viewed as equals because they are charity.
 

Willowcat362

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Rome had a system where slaves did the manual labor, but also earned wages so that they could eventually become citizens. We have robots in this day and age that have and can COMPLETELY remove the manual labor aspect of society. but then money would be worthless, because everyone could have food, shelter, amenities, etc. for free. Which doesn't make rich people feel good about THEIR wealth. systems are designed to propagate themselves, but when has there been a SINGLE system that has without a doubt not been changed?

We use fiat currency today, and before that it was dollars backed by gold. before that, bank notes that could be exchanged for worth. The romans and most other primitive yet sophisticated societies used coins which held their own value as denoted by the government. Tribes used to use barter, and before that, the hunter-gatherers survived by "hunting", and "gathering" what they needed and moving on before an area became unusable. So, why do we still use currency? The system hasn't collapsed yet. It'll happen soon, either hyper-inflation, or out-right socialism. Every dollar they "pump" into the US economy is NOT helping the problem. It is devaluing your savings, because the more of something there is around, the less rare it is, and therefore the lower its cost to procure.

Goods hold their own value against the dollar, not the other way around. prices don't go up, the value of your money is going down. A loaf of bread at the supermarket is $2.00, and an ounce of gold is $1,400.00. Bread prices seemed to be going up too. does that mean the value of wheat and other foods are going up too? imagining that gold is the standard, and seeing as its "value" continues to rise(this is a lie, the value of the dollar is going down which makes it seem to be increasing.) Ask yourself, is there more or less gold in circulation in today's age? There are a few gold mines still pumping out gold, so the supply HAS to be increasing. why is the value going up? Perhaps because the economy is failing? That is a catchall phrase for people who underestimate the machinations of our economic system.

our money value is designed to go down continually, in the understanding that stagnant supplies of currency is bad for population increase. But I've strayed. The reason we have money, and as part of it, a system of economics, is to regulate the supply of goods and services. one without money cannot procure said items, and one with Bill Gates-esque amounts can do as they please. how does one make several billion dollars? by taking that money out of circulation. and how does one continue to use money that is out of circulation? There is a theory that the money will be used right away, but that is a lie. how many people do YOU know spend exactly their savings within several weeks of getting it?

Most put the money in banks, under the idea that your "money" is safe there. or even that you can make money by keeping it in their hands. if you are extremely experienced with speculation and economy, which usually means you have VERY LARGE SUMS OF MONEY ALREADY, then yes, this is a good way to gather even more. but the continuation of money and circulation when companies have billions or even trillions of dollars is through the credit system, which brings in money through interest. Interest accrues through transactions, and is the lowest-powered money you can find. it isn't actually worth anything,but it IS a promise to pay someone something, and a little extra for the transaction holder who pays first. This post is too long as it is, though, so I'll leave on this note. Fiat economies have no boundaries for money value. inflation occurs no matter what you do, and is only sped up by banks and government bailouts. printing more money is what took out Germany's economy, along with gross debts. taking that as a DIRECT example, exactly how much "money" do we owe a certain superpower nation to the west in the US? China is playing with their economy to increase the value of their dollar by subsidization to make our debts to them worth even more, even as our ability to pay them back lessens with the dollar's value. check out www.zeitgeistmovie.com if you want something in-depth.
 

Antari

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Dimensional Vortex said:
Antari said:
Dimensional Vortex said:
Antari said:
Dimensional Vortex said:
Kiyotaki said:
How come we use currency, what if everything was free and done by charity workers?
Than everyone would be forced to become a charity worker. The problem with everyone being a charity worker (it was explained to me once) is that people will only do the jobs they want to do, say 60% of the population want to become a police officer than the other 40% do what they want, what person will be digging the graves? what person will be cleaning the schools? no one will be doing those jobs because they can do other jobs that they want.
Within the current plan, I'd agree. But there are other ways.
What do you mean? There are other ways instead of having everyone be a charity worker? Please elaborate on what you said.
The world is more than capable of providing for us all. If we use our knowledge properly. But this is not so at this point in time. Others in this thread have pointed to the alternative, you must only seek it.
Right there is the problem. If we ALL use our knowledge properly, how many people do you know that probably wouldn't use their knowledge properly, I just quickly came up with a hypothesis that majority of the world won't use their knowledge properly to make it so the world is more than capable of providing for us all. The current system with money isn't great but it works and that is all we need, the problem with money is that it often leads to the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Not to go on a rant about how bad money is but it is practically always the people with the most money who run the country or influence the lives of a lot of people in the country, but I guess it is better than the world crumbling due to people doing what ever jobs they want and then calling it charity.

P.S. With the charity idea that the forum starter had said, can you see how easily it would be abused? I could continuously ring pizza delivery men to run to my door with 10 pizzas each and I could eat all that I want and not have to give them anything except work at K-Mart, you see the jobs in the charity system are disproportionate to one another yet would be all viewed as equals because they are charity.
Yes it relies on a premise for people to do for others before themselves. Its not the way society has taught it. But it is an alternative.
 

Canadamus Prime

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yamitami said:
canadamus_prime said:
My former boss was telling me one time that currency has it's origins back in the time when the feudal lords would literally own your ass (if you were a peasant). Not only that, but apparently the lords would actually demand tributes in blood from the peasants. This, of course, proved to be problematic, so instead it was arranged that the peasants would give the lord a percentage of the goods they produce (since most of them were farmers).
.....No, money was around long before feudal Europe. I'd have to check to be sure but I'm pretty sure it pre-dates Mesopotamia. The reason why currency came into play is because trading tokens was a lot easier than trading goods. Ever have to do one of those extended fetch quests where the stonemason wants a new hammer which you can get from the blacksmith but he wants a chicken, which you don't have, and then you find out the baker has a chicken he's trading but he wants a specific kind of herb... on and on. That was daily commerce before coins.
I didn't say feudal Europe, did I? To be honest, I'm not even sure it was feudal anything. I just know there were lords involved and they demanded the life blood of the peasantry, and the peasants would give goods in exchange for being allowed to live. ...or something like that. I'm not even sure I'm getting it right, it was just something my former boss was telling me about one time.
 

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Straight from my Economics book:

1. A store of value
2. A standard of value
3. A standard of deferred payment
4. A medium of exchange

Currency is good for all these things, unless you live in Zimbabwe.
 

Veylon

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The only way this charity thing would work was if we had robots to do it all. That way, we get the benefits of unpaid slave labor without any of that nasty servile insurrection.
 

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Matt_LRR said:
Because it's immesurably more efficient than a straight barter system?

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Thank you.

When a CULTURE/SOCIETY is large enough to have specialties on the workforce with dependence on bartering products like firewood/chickens etc. nothing is as efficient as one universal unit of exchange.

Please don't say "The human race" as if we're the only group of people still left on this world. There are still some groups that don't use money.

To the people talking about their pet theories about charitableness among humans, if this was non-existent then how the hell did people create/have a moral system?
 

CarpathianMuffin

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Because using currency is the only way that society can work in this day and age. Can't really barter effectively right now, after all.
I don't like it, but that's just the way things have to be.
 

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Because the Templars invented currency as a way to make all of us enter into voluntary slavery so that they could keep us down! Duh.
OT: Because capitalism requires money and money makes people want to make better things that will make life better for other people. It may not be a perfect system but it's the best one we've got.
 

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People always say "communism is an awesome idea, it's too bad that it doesn't work because of human nature and shit". If an idea doesn't work, it's not awesome. Get over it, seriously... people philosophizing about communism drives me nuts. Yeah it would be great to live in utopia, but the selfish and greedy and power-hungry people of this world would exploit it. Most people are just greedy, it's a simple fact. Nothing to get depressed over, we just have to structure our government and economy accordingly.
 

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Kiyotaki said:
How come we use currency, what if everything was free and done by charity workers?
Not to sound mean but did you think that question through for more than a second before asking it?

So some people decide to go through like 18 years of education entirely in the knowledge that they'll be working for free, then they just waltz down to the food store and take as much as they want. How many people are just going to drop out of school straight away? And how many assholes are just going to take everything they can just for the sake of it.

In no way would that work.
 

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Kiyotaki said:
How come we use currency, what if everything was free and done by charity workers?
Then that would still be pretty much the same as it would be the exchange of goods for services or vice versa.
 

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Well, there have been many valid comments thus far.

As to why we have currency, it's because there is a finite amount of resources in the world and in order to ensure its relevant distribution we have to have a way of making an exchange. Bartering still works, but with how much people purchase with how little we produce, it is unreasonable to negotiate with people on that scale. Small scale bartering actually is quite alive and well in many locations around the world.

Money used to be based off of precious metals to ensure its value in something tangible. But since the 1970s we decided it's better to let currency stand on the word of the world governments and let a market determine its worth. So even though, theoretically, an infinite amount of money could be printed, its perceived value would decline so much that it would be worthless (see Zimbabwe... I actually have one of their 100 trillion dollar bills). So keeping currency circulation in check helps maintain its value, thus preserving the reason we use currency in the first place: to give value to finite resources for their relevant distribution.

As for the charity worker thing... we just have to wait until the Star Trek universe comes true...