It's not completely pain free. My girlfriend has an iPod touch 3G that required Spirit, while I've been sticking to the slightly more involved redsn0w, and she's already had it replaced once thanks to being stuck in an infinite reboot loop. If you can use something other than Spirit I'd certainly recommend it even though it's a bit more involved than the 5.03 TIFF exploit.Willwillwritehiswill said:
Why doesn't the iPod touch get recognition as a handheld gaming console?
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I really hope you realize that those are, in fact, not mutually exclusive terms. WiFi is only Wireless Internet, Bandwidth is the measure of Data Transfer per second. Bandwidth is how strong your connection to the internet is, not how you're connected.migo said:
Why do I keep ending up on this Topic. You asked why the iOS wasn't regarded as a Respected Gaming Platform and we game you an answer. We gave you several good answers too, ones that in our opinions where very good reasons why we don't see it as a Console. Maybe even why Gaming Sites don't list it as one they'd spend time and resources covering beyond the occasional blog post, usually about a big name title being ported over poorly. You've done nothing to elicit a nice conversation about this though. You call many claims users have made something they pulled out of their ass or straight up are uninformed about, probably without even considering the fact that we might well be informed and thus is the reason we have that opinion.
If you wat to look at the iOS as a viable gaming platform on par with the DS and PSP then fine. You're a needle in a haystack though as the vast majority of the community seem to agree that the iOS is made out mainly to be a Music Player with a Web-browser and a collection of Apps. Just like the Android Phone and the Blackberry.
50% of the games are simplistic shovelware. 49% didn't grasp how to make the thing work as a gaming system. 1% are actually titles worth your time.
Very few compared to other consoles.
Very few compared to other consoles.
I really hope you realize that those are, in fact, not mutually exclusive terms. WiFi is only Wireless Internet, Bandwidth is the measure of Data Transfer per second. Bandwidth is how strong your connection to the internet is, not how you're connected.[/quote]AdamRBi said:
Bandwidth is a concern if you're connected via cellular data. iOS games aren't big enough to be a concern if you have a traditional broadband connection, and can still be acquired over a dialup connection if you really want the game.
Yeah, an answer which reveals ignorance of the platform being the reason, not the reason that was presented.
Yes, but your initial post certainly wasn't a good one, as it was seriously misinformed and based on a ridiculous premise.
It's quite easy to tell when someone has at least some basis for an opinion and when they don't. When someone says there aren't any games, any big name games or any good games it's clear they pull it out of their ass. When you make a judgement based on the Pipin, Palm TX and N-Gage, it's clear you're pulling it out of your ass. When someone says they've played it and didn't find many games to be fun, that's not pulling it out of their ass, so naturally I ask which games they played to see where they're getting their experience from. Since you don't actually know you might take what they say at face value, I actually do know and it's very clear to me that some of the responses are utter BS. Other responses are speculation, clearly phrased as such, and I have quite nice reactions to them.
I'm aware of that - that was the whole premise of the thread. My question was why.
And we answered you, If the majority of users don't accept it as a Console then we don't accept it as a console. We all know it has games, some good some bad, and does it better then the other Smart Phones. Doesn't take away from the fact that the iPod is a Music Player and the iPhone is a Phone. Since this is what they are, what most of the Gaming Population thinks of them as, and what Apple Designed them specifically for then that's what the majority of people consider them to be.migo said:
Simple as that.
If Apple makes an iGame Handheld using the iOS, a handheld product made for gaming, then we'd consider the iOS one. That's unlikely though, as they're already making money off the Apps and the iPods/iPhones.
It's because PCs aren't Handhelds. Simple as that. We hold Handheld devices at a different standard then a computer, they have to be designed differently then a home PC or Home Console.migo said:
We gave you our answers, like them or not from what I read most of them are indeed viable market viewpoints. If people who consider themselves passionate about Video Games as a Medium for Storytelling and Entertainment don't see an operating system developed for a Phone and a Music Player as a Major Gaming Platform then it's not going to be considered one. Like it was said, I'm not calling my PSP a phone just because it has Skype, I'm not calling my DS a Music Player just because it can play music, and I'm not calling my iPod a Handheld gaming console just because it plays games. It's the Nature of these Handheld Devices.
I understand your argument about PCs, and ignoring the fact that some people actually buy Gaming PCs for nothing but Gaming you should realize that Early computers, even early Personal Computers, weren't considered Gaming Consoles for a while even after they started getting a great selection of games. Back then the only Gaming Machines were Arcades and maybe a couple of Pong Consoles.
Who knows, maybe eventually the iOS will be a viable gaming console. It has yet to prove itself worthy by many professionals and fans a like though, and that's because of the reasons everyone has listed.
Because it...isn't one?
OT: probably because it's primarily a music device, with a few games thrown in - it wasn't primarily designed for games, and I personally find it difficult to play games on an itouch or iphone that are any more complex than doodle jump
OT: probably because it's primarily a music device, with a few games thrown in - it wasn't primarily designed for games, and I personally find it difficult to play games on an itouch or iphone that are any more complex than doodle jump
Ultimately, I think it's because the vast majority of the popular iPhone games are overglofied Flash games or DS ports.
So it give you "Carte Blanche" to call him names? Are you retarded or just don't get the concept of argumentation?migo said:
I could go and say that they're actually very good games, in fact I enjoy GTA Chinatown wars very much, and it's a similar, but better, experience to GTA2 with the same top down perspective, but the map actually rotates. That would be pointless though, he just made up that they suck, so saying anything further is pointless.[/quote]
Yeah, i know... I have it for my PSP and my Step-Sister bought it for my 12 year old Nephew on his DS. Therefore, he does have a point. It's either port or bad game. Why didn't you fired back by saying that ALL PORT SUCK? Or how about All first titles for any console suck too. Well, most of them. It take time to get and make exclusive title. Back on port, Have you play Assassin Creed 2 on the DS? It a Stealth game mix with Sonic the Hedgehog. You got to go to the end of the TIMED LEVEL without being noticed by guards. No I'm not kidding, and you can stop laughing now.
PS: My nephew is incredibly mature for his age. In a single year, i only see him acted like a child on one occasion. (During the gift exchange last Christmas. He knew there was a Lightsaber in one of those boxes but pick the wrong one and was clearly sadden by that.) So, I'm still a bit uneasy that he play M rated game but if there a kid that can play it without losing his mind, he can.
Oh the ironing!Akalistos said:
That said, I didn't call him names, I said he pulled it out of his ass, which he did. There's no point in arguing with people who make shit up to prove their point. As in totally make shit up. RAK went and drew conclusions based on other products, which is at least a valid method of deciding whether you want to purchase something, and if he'd said "this is why I didn't buy one for gaming" I would have said it was well reasoned and thought out - that wasn't quite on topic though so instead I addressed the points individually.
I'm not going to fire back like that, since that doesn't make any sense. He didn't know about any of those titles for iOS and when he was informed of them he immediately decided they suck. No, I'm not going to fire back with anything other than calling him out for complete fabrication to try to prove his point.
they're the same bloody thing and same bloody premise for the sake of conversation.not a console and i think deep down you know it...otherwise you wouldn't have asked the question.migo said:
Great, could you do my shirt. I have a meeting on Monday. Thank You!(Since I don't know if your are either British, American, Canadian or Australian... i won't bash you since English isn't my first language.)migo said:
No he didn't. And even if he did, show him proof. There not many truth... only one.
Did you asked him if he tried it? No? How do you know that he never played it then? HO MY GOD... YOU COULD HAVE ASK HIM THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THEN(if he said no) CALL HIM ON IT. YOU COULD HAVE MADE YOUR POINT ACROSS IN 2 SENTENCES.
Me speaking too fast... must slow down for Migo. You should look it up. Many of the first games release fade into obscurity. Just look up on Gamespot and look the score of all the first... let say 5 month, game of any console. You would be surprise. (by the way, when some show proof and you don't look it up, you become the one that pull stuff out of your ass.)
...Because you either don't have proof or your the one pulling stuff out of your ass. That the only conclusion that you leave me with.
No, your the one making stuff up. I says when I... [HEADING=2]I[/HEADING]migo said:
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That meant it was a example. You clearly call him a liar and here's proof:
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Which mean you attack him and not his arguments.migo said:
It's a good thing that nobody can delete his old posts.
It's a meme. Evidently hasn't caught on over here.Akalistos said:
I don't need to show him proof, he knows he made it up, and anyone who reads this thread in chronological order in its entirety knows that too.
Because he didn't know they existed. Clearly if he had played them he wouldn't have made the patently false claim that there aren't any big name games for iOS.
While that's all very interesting, it's not very relevant to that particular thread.
I don't need to repeat stuff I've already said once in the thread, if people didn't read it through the first time, what guarantee do I have that they will when I show proof as they demand it? You're a perfect example of not reading it through.
You don't understand what an ad hominem attack is. Calling him out for making stuff up isn't an ad hominem attack. Saying he eats babies is. I did the former, not the latter.No, your the one making stuff up. I says when I... [HEADING=2]I[/HEADING]
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That meant it was a example. You clearly call him a liar and here's proof:
migo said:migo said:Which mean you attack him and not his arguments.migo said:
It's a good thing that nobody can delete his old posts.