Why doesn't the iPod touch get recognition as a handheld gaming console?

[Danpascooch]

First of all, I don't know hat "Premier Titles" you're talking about, care to give examples?

I already did, several times. Learn to read.

Secondly, the fact that it's selling more games first of all is probably not true (Link please) and even if it is, that really doesn't mean anything, since many of the itouch games are like $1, of course more of them would sell if they were 35 times cheaper, it doesn't mean it's more successful, or that it makes more money as a gaming system.

Again, learn to read, I already provided the info.

That's right, you can say the same thing about the PSP, but there are less problems (I don't think UMD is bad at all) and have you noticed the state of the PSP lately? The PSPGO was like a desperate last ditch effort to save the PSP

UMD was horrible. Everybody who saw it the day it was announced knew it was a bad idea, and it turned out to be the case for more reasons than anyone predicted.

Don't go changing the rules in the middle of the game, of course the itouch is a gaming console,

I'm not changing the rules in the middle, you should read the thread from the start and see all the posts of people saying it isn't one.

all anyone has been saying is that it's not taken seriously, and it's not very good, if you mean "recognition" in the sense of literal *point* "That plays games" than of course it's a gaming console.

Screw it, I'm not going to bother responding to you anymore until you go back and at least read the first two pages to see what people actually have been saying, then edit your post to take out everything you now realise is incorrect.

If you're going to be rude, and not backup your unfounded broad assumptions with citations or at the very least examples, there's no point in arguing with you at all, it's really pathetic honestly.

You just want a shouting match until I get tired and leave, then you can tell yourself you won, fine, when you're ready to make a big boy thread, let me know, until then, enjoy driving away all of the mature informed people with your rude and groundless accusations. Soon you'll be left with people as rude and ignorant as you are.

 

[migo]

If you're going to be rude, and not backup your unfounded broad assumptions with citations or at the very least examples, there's no point in arguing with you at all, it's really pathetic honestly.

If you're not going to read what I've already written, what's the point in my repeating it?

 

[TOGSolid]

If you guys really want to argue semantics here, then let's end this debate easily:
Is it handheld? Yes.
Does it have games and an active community of developers creating games for it? Yep.
Is it a video game console? No. It is NOT primarily designed for use for playing games.

The term "video game console" is used to distinguish a machine designed for consumers to buy and use solely for playing video games from a personal computer, which has many other functions, or arcade machines, which are designed for businesses that buy them and then charge others to play.

I'm not sure why you guys all have your panties in a bunch. Oh well, nerdrage ftl.

 

[ImprovizoR]

Because it isn't? That was just a marketing stunt. You throw in a bunch of fancy words for Apple fanboys and they are all over that ***** on a release day.

 

[Akalistos]

Back after reformatting of my computer.

It's a meme. Evidently hasn't caught on over here.

Yeah, right... I soooo believe you. It's a mistake, and that's why there a eraser on every pencil.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ironing

You fail.

Oh my god, I was attack with a quote from the Simpsons... HELP! SEND HELP!
Seriously, i got better thing to do then learn stupid memes. It doesn't show how much you are awesome, it does show how much you waste your life on the internet. Let me guess, you are single right?

And the fact that you can prove him wrong, as in, beyond any shadow of a doubt and then call him on it isn't good. Laziness maybe? Beside, once you prove your point there no comeback possible, leaving you with the final word on it. No, let all be lazy and don't give a damn.

Once again, you're a hypocrite. You're accusing me of being lazy when you're too lazy to read the thread properly and see that what I said is the case.

Right... Well, let's me call you an HYPOCRITE myself. Here is your response without alteration.

You're pulling that out of your ass.[...]
You're moving goal posts, but I didn't take you seriously from your first post so it's not like this has really damaged your credibility.

So... what are you going to say now. You never even talked to Danpascooch or that you weren't even born?

Because of his arguments. Everything I said is directly related to his arguments. An ad hominem attack is an unrelated attack. If I call someone stupid for sayins something stupid that's not an ad hominem attack, you can easily infer that if I say what he said is stupid, that he is stupid too.

Description of Ad Hominem Tu Quoque

This fallacy is committed when it is concluded that a person's claim is false because 1) it is inconsistent with something else a person has said or 2) what a person says is inconsistent with her actions. This type of "argument" has the following form:

1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B asserts that A's actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X.
3. Therefore X is false.

The fact that a person makes inconsistent claims does not make any particular claim he makes false (although of any pair of inconsistent claims only one can be true - but both can be false). Also, the fact that a person's claims are not consistent with his actions might indicate that the person is a hypocrite but this does not prove his claims are false.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem-tu-quoque.html

Now, it's my turn to call fail, i believe.

Now tell me Why i'm wrong and prove it.

The iPad wasn't the topic of discussion, and I already did tell you why you're wrong - last time around. Nothing has changed.

I know, but since you can't reply only in fallacies, i told you that i won't comment on this topic... and if you want to know what i think of it. You'll have to dig it up from another techno forum. Those are examples.
(truth be told, if you would have just substituted A for O, it wouldn't be far from what is my position on the subject. I would have believe that you would have caught on but alas...)

 

[Akalistos]

Given how trivially easy jailbreaking is, you certainly can. Saying you have to jailbreak for iOS is just as stupid as saying that Mass Effect is an Xbox 360 exclusive because it's a console exclusive.

If you jailbrake your itouch, you're no longer really using an itouch, since it is not meant to be jailbroken.

The droid can do the same stuff, WITHOUT hacking it, so it's better.

Oh, and you can download new roms FROM THE PHONE ITSELF.

It's so much more open than the itouch it's ridiculous, I don't have Apple standing behind me telling me I'm not allowed to do this and that.

Android is hardly open, Cyanogen received C&D letters from Google, and you have to root most android devices, not counting the N1 and ADP1/2, to be able to get full functionality out of them. Rooting/jailbreaking, same shit. It's an invalid argument, and just as stupid as the "it wasn't designed as a game system" one. It's like saying because you have to put a GPU into a PC that it's not a gaming system because it was meant to be used with Intel's Integrated Graphics.

The Android is hardly open? Funny, because I can browse the file directories, download any file extension type from the internet using the 3G network, play GBA roms, AND get things from the app store that didn't require preapproval like the Apple Appstore does, ALL WITHOUT ROOTING IT. All things you can NOT do without jailbreaking an itouch.

Sounds pretty fucking open to me.

I got into a debate with him too. He a case of "GOD AMONG MAN" syndrome. Since nobody know and can give retribution for what he does and say, he believe he is a god. It's sad, i know.

 

[Akalistos]

For a Phone that IS a hand held console.. please check out the..

Spoiler: Droid Milestone

It's the same with any Android phone, except most are touch screen

It has buttons, and also you can download..

GBA
SNES

and many other.. (A PSone emulator is in production)

Emulators for the phone.

Great for a GBA at all times with you.. and did i mention, free games obviously

The keyboard on the Milestone is far from suitable for gaming. I haven't played on it specifically, but I've used the E62 which has a reasonably similar physical keyboard. It's no benefit for emulators.

I've got GBA and SNES emulators running on my iPod touch. Chrono Trigger works just fine. Sonic is about the same as iOS native version. Super Mario World doesn't work since you can't carry a shell, run and jump, but that's far from a good suggestion. If you're going to emulate those systems, the Milestone has no edge on iOS devices, and the DS, PSP, GP2X and Dingoo A320 are better options thanks to having identical controls to the original device, although I'm going to have to give SFII a shot and see how it goes in the SNES and GBA emulators, since the D-Pad is rather crappy for it.

There you go.

Plus it does not have to be "jailbroken" to have such an app.

I believe this does give it a giant advantage over iOS?
Since iOS can't legally have the software.

That's neat. How much did the controller attachment cost you?

 

[migo]

Oh my god, I was attack with a quote from the Simpsons... HELP! SEND HELP!
Seriously, i got better thing to do then learn stupid memes. It doesn't show how much you are awesome, it does show how much you waste your life on the internet.

No, it shows you're wrong and that I said that intentionally rather than made a mistake as you suggested.

Let me guess, you are single right?

Now that's an example of an ad hominem attack. And you fail again, I've been in a relationship for a long time. Of course you're going to just claim that isn't the case just as you claimed it wasn't a meme either.

So... what are you going to say now. You never even talked to Danpascooch or that you weren't even born?

Everything I said is absolutely correct. What he said about those games was a blatant fabrication. If you have a brain, you'd realise that to be the case.

Description of Ad Hominem Tu Quoque

This fallacy is committed when it is concluded that a person's claim is false because 1) it is inconsistent with something else a person has said or 2) what a person says is inconsistent with her actions. This type of "argument" has the following form:

1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B asserts that A's actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X.
3. Therefore X is false.

The fact that a person makes inconsistent claims does not make any particular claim he makes false (although of any pair of inconsistent claims only one can be true - but both can be false). Also, the fact that a person's claims are not consistent with his actions might indicate that the person is a hypocrite but this does not prove his claims are false.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem-tu-quoque.html

Now, it's my turn to call fail, i believe.

You believe wrong. He said the games were crap, but he never played them because he didn't even know they existed, therefore he pulled it out of his ass. If you're too stupid to understand that rather simple logic, there's nothing I can do for you.

I know, but since you can't reply only in fallacies, i told you that i won't comment on this topic... and if you want to know what i think of it. You'll have to dig it up from another techno forum. Those are examples.

If you said you won't comment on the topic, why are you still here?

 

[migo]

If you guys really want to argue semantics here, then let's end this debate easily:
Is it handheld? Yes.
Does it have games and an active community of developers creating games for it? Yep.
Is it a video game console? No. It is NOT primarily designed for use for playing games.

The term "video game console" is used to distinguish a machine designed for consumers to buy and use solely for playing video games from a personal computer, which has many other functions, or arcade machines, which are designed for businesses that buy them and then charge others to play.

I'm not sure why you guys all have your panties in a bunch. Oh well, nerdrage ftl.

Only the DS qualifies as the PSP also plays music and movies, and therefore fails on "solely for playing video games".

If you're going to quote Wikipedia you should at least cite it.

 

[Judgement101]

Because it isn't

 

[Danpascooch]

Given how trivially easy jailbreaking is, you certainly can. Saying you have to jailbreak for iOS is just as stupid as saying that Mass Effect is an Xbox 360 exclusive because it's a console exclusive.

If you jailbrake your itouch, you're no longer really using an itouch, since it is not meant to be jailbroken.

The droid can do the same stuff, WITHOUT hacking it, so it's better.

Oh, and you can download new roms FROM THE PHONE ITSELF.

It's so much more open than the itouch it's ridiculous, I don't have Apple standing behind me telling me I'm not allowed to do this and that.

Android is hardly open, Cyanogen received C&D letters from Google, and you have to root most android devices, not counting the N1 and ADP1/2, to be able to get full functionality out of them. Rooting/jailbreaking, same shit. It's an invalid argument, and just as stupid as the "it wasn't designed as a game system" one. It's like saying because you have to put a GPU into a PC that it's not a gaming system because it was meant to be used with Intel's Integrated Graphics.

The Android is hardly open? Funny, because I can browse the file directories, download any file extension type from the internet using the 3G network, play GBA roms, AND get things from the app store that didn't require preapproval like the Apple Appstore does, ALL WITHOUT ROOTING IT. All things you can NOT do without jailbreaking an itouch.

Sounds pretty fucking open to me.

I got into a debate with him too. He a case of "GOD AMONG MAN" syndrome. Since nobody know and can give retribution for what he does and say, he believe he is a god. It's sad, i know.

It's sick is what it is, like the new avatar BTW Ak

 

[Danpascooch]

If you're going to be rude, and not backup your unfounded broad assumptions with citations or at the very least examples, there's no point in arguing with you at all, it's really pathetic honestly.

If you're not going to read what I've already written, what's the point in my repeating it?

So I'm supposed to believe that even though you made about 10 posts toward me without citations or examples, you have been doing so before, and stopped doing it....because......?

I'm not going to search through pages of text for something that obviously isn't there, funny how people like you start using cop-outs like this when their arguments are crumbling around them.

EDIT: I just looked through the thread, no examples or citations to support the arguments you gave me earlier, I knew they weren't there, how about you debate your point fairly instead of resorting to underhanded tricks when you get backed into a corner.

 

[Snarky Username]

The same reason the XBox isn't a music player, the PS3 isn't a dvd player, and the Wii isn't an internet browser.

 

[TOGSolid]

If you guys really want to argue semantics here, then let's end this debate easily:
Is it handheld? Yes.
Does it have games and an active community of developers creating games for it? Yep.
Is it a video game console? No. It is NOT primarily designed for use for playing games.

The term "video game console" is used to distinguish a machine designed for consumers to buy and use solely for playing video games from a personal computer, which has many other functions, or arcade machines, which are designed for businesses that buy them and then charge others to play.

I'm not sure why you guys all have your panties in a bunch. Oh well, nerdrage ftl.

Only the DS qualifies as the PSP also plays music and movies, and therefore fails on "solely for playing video games".

If you're going to quote Wikipedia you should at least cite it.

Notice I never mentioned Sony's products at any point? There's a reason for that. Sony itself has said that they're attempting to turn their products less into "video game consoles" and more into broad use entertainment centers. The PS3 was specifically setup to be a central media device within a home theater. The PSP, likewise, is supposed to do essentially the same thing only in the portable sense.

In all honesty, the era of the dedicated video game console is damn near over. The convergence that was predicted ages ago of desktops and consoles has started. To argue about what is and isn't a console at this point is just silly because basically nothing is except for the DS. Even the Wii has picked up Netflix now due to Nintendo realizing that that's the direction "consoles" are heading. So, if you want to argue what is and isn't a console based on the strictest definition of console, then you've basically excluded damn near all of our current gen video game systems as well.

 

[migo]

Notice I never mentioned Sony's products at any point? There's a reason for that. Sony itself has said that they're attempting to turn their products less into "video game consoles" and more into broad use entertainment centers. The PS3 was specifically setup to be a central media device within a home theater. The PSP, likewise, is supposed to do essentially the same thing only in the portable sense.

While I don't disagree with you there, it's certainly a very non standard perception as people generally perceive both the PSP and PS3 to be gaming consoles, so the Wikipedia snippet you quoted doesn't reflect what most people view as being the case.

In all honesty, the era of the dedicated video game console is damn near over. The convergence that was predicted ages ago of desktops and consoles has started. To argue about what is and isn't a console at this point is just silly because basically nothing is except for the DS. Even the Wii has picked up Netflix now due to Nintendo realizing that that's the direction "consoles" are heading. So, if you want to argue what is and isn't a console based on the strictest definition of console, then you've basically excluded damn near all of our current gen video game systems as well.

That's been my point, almost every argument that has been brought up for the iPod touch not being a handhled gaming console ends up meaning the PSP isn't one either.

 

[Pegghead]

Because the controls are fiddly, the games have no real depth to them, it has poor support when compared to actual consoles and its popularity is mostly fueled by Macjunkies who aren't that invested into gaming as a whole.

But judging by previous posts you're refusing to accept that others might have differing opinions so I don't even know why I'm posting this.

 

[mikecoulter]

Personally I think it's because it's an almost terrible system. Granted I only have the 1st gen iPod Touch, but I do not enjoy the experience. I do however like playing games on my HTC Desire, due to it having some physical buttons, and I believe, more sensitive touch screen. (Possibly due to the processor speed.)

 

[migo]

Because the controls are fiddly, the games have no real depth to them, it has poor support when compared to actual consoles and its popularity is mostly fueled by Macjunkies who aren't that invested into gaming as a whole.

But judging by previous posts you're refusing to accept that others might have differing opinions so I don't even know why I'm posting this.

It's not a matter of opinion, particularly what I just bolded. A lot of people with iPod touches and iPhones aren't Mac users.

 

[migo]

Personally I think it's because it's an almost terrible system. Granted I only have the 1st gen iPod Touch, but I do not enjoy the experience. I do however like playing games on my HTC Desire, due to it having some physical buttons, and I believe, more sensitive touch screen. (Possibly due to the processor speed.)

The first gen iPod touch is really bad for gaming, it has the slowest processor of any iOS device, and OS updates don't clock it up. Lack of built in speaker also removes some of its suitability.

iPod touch 2nd gen is as slow as you'd want to go, as it's faster than an iPhone 3G and original iPhone, but still ends up being slower than a 3GS or 3rd gen iPod touch.

 

[Danpascooch]

So I'm supposed to believe that even though you made about 10 posts toward me without citations or examples, you have been doing so before, and stopped doing it....because......?

You wouldn't have asked those questions in the first place if you'd read the thread to begin with. The questions you're asking have already been answered, hell some of them were answered before anyone asked a question about them, let alone just you.

EDIT: I just looked through the thread, no examples or citations to support the arguments you gave me earlier, I knew they weren't there, how about you debate your point fairly instead of resorting to underhanded tricks when you get backed into a corner.

You suck at reading, so utterly badly. Do a search through the thread for Sonic 4 and see how many times it comes up.

It's not about questions being answered, it's about you making counterpoints that are false, I have backed up my points with examples and citations, and you have not, that's it, nor have you done it any earlier in the thread, I don't see a SINGLE link anywhere, you've already been proven wrong with the PSP battery lie, which I showed you WITH A LINK if you want people to put up with your insults, you better stop spewing ignorant inaccuracies and start citing your so called facts, that is the point.

Your behavior in this entire thread has been laughably inappropriate and rude, and don't think that making an immature insult such as "you suck at reading" suddenly makes citations appear next to all the false information you've been dumping all over the thread. Frankly, you're being an arrogant asshole, which is only made funnier by the fact that many of the facts you are presenting are simply not true, which you would know if you spent the time to find a link citing your information. If you want to make it to 500 posts without being banned, I suggest you stop using toddler level insults as a debate mechanism and start citing the sources you clearly never checked your "facts" with.