"Why don't they emphasis penises like that?!"

[Paradoxrifts]

There is no equivalent to the boob window for male characters because artists do not need to strategically cover certain portions of the male figure from the waist up in order to get their work professionally published. In fact there is precious little real estate on your average male character that an artist can't get away with illustrating sans clothing. From a strict design prospective the torso of a healthy athletic idealised male form is far more angular then healthy athletic idealised female form. So when items of clothing are used to accentuate and garnish the male figure, it typically involves plunging straight or slightly diagonal lines that help to display the line and form of the pectoral and abdominal muscles.

Now comparing a cleavage window for female characters with a hypothetical groin window for male characters is simply an argument from false equivalence. Neither Power Girl or her rule #63 counterpart could possibly enjoy a respectable widespread publication if their character designs involved a groin window with half their genitalia sticking out.

 

[manic_depressive13]

That's a pretty weaksauce example of an emphasised penis. But while penises aren't equivalent to breasts, neither are pecs, because men's bodies aren't sexualised to the extent women's bodies are. That's called sexism.

If nature is sexist then yes. More importance is placed on the female body because when it comes to reproduction it's health is more important for bringing the child to term and that has influenced pretty much every human civilization throughout history. It's amazing how many people want to think that it was all just society and that women would be oggling pictures of the opposite sex as much as men if they where only allowed.

Correct, breasts exist to nourish infants. This does nothing to explain the sexualisation of breasts in our culture; it only emphasises the absurdity of doing so. Breastfeeding in public, for example, is a hugely controversial issue because women's breasts are considered lewd, even though the whole point of them is to feed babies. Breasts have been perverted into something for men to furiously masturbate over, to the extent that people don't feel comfortable seeing them used for their actual purpose.

 

[Something Amyss]

Tight pants, definite bulge, light just HAPPENING to highlight said bulge and the cut of his vest curtains open out of the way for it? Hard to believe there wasn't at least SOME intent there to say "Behold his nether splendor!

Actually, the story is that he kept getting hit in the junk by Muppets, so they padded him out. Which would explain how he hit the notes from "Underground" and "Within You."

I mean, don't get me wrong. I would say my prayers at the altar of David Bowie long after even that movie, but seriously, we actually do know why his (padded) crotch looks the way it does. For further corroboration, look at Bowie in tights or tight pants during other portions of his career.

...not that I've been looking or anything.

<..>

My unhealthy fixation on a man older than my father aside, if we saw examples of women being padded out specifically to protect their breasts, I suspect that A. it would like quite different andB. few would complain.

also, I'm just going to float this out there: almost everyone goes to David Bowie in Labyrinth. If there were any equivalence, don't you think this thread would be full of various examples?

I know you said "not as often," but nowhere near as often. So rare each one stands out.

I'm just not going to dwell on it.

I am not going to dwell on this train of thought much either.

Yeah, sorry, it's really hard not to go for juvenile jokes when these topics come up. My inner 9 year old is straining against my social restraint like a superheroine's breasts against her jean but somehow flexible like spandex attire.

...worst. Romance Novel. Ever.

I agree. The tone of the emphasis that's sought would be helpful.

Yeah, it's possible they exist and just don't register on me. Maybe I'd see it and go "aha! Now I understand!" or maybe I'd go "that's as lame as the supertrunks example at the beginning of the thread."

But who knows?

The Shadow. That's who.

Maybe. Maybe drawing the bulges would be too distracting? I guess it could be anatomical concerns since it'd get in the way, but really, large boobs get in the way, too. I'd like to think there's some reason behind it besides guys not wanting to see bulge considering there's so much emphasis on the importance of size.

Maybe, but we see things tailored a lot to male sexuality and insecurity. It's one of the reasons we don't see a lot of heterosexual female protagonists have relationships in games, because you wouldn't want to squick out the poor heterosexual males, the most underprivileged and underserviced group in all of nerd culture. And, I mean, you'd be forgiven for thinking that these days, since a game or anime or whatever not getting brought to the US is suddenly a sign of censorship. The OP of this thread has basically declared the end of fanservice in media because a couple of examples of media aren't going to explicitly pander to him.

And pointing out that this happens all the time and isn't a rise of any great power is treated as supporting censorship, because...Idon't know, honestly.

The point being, there is a huge demand for specfic elements of male sexuality to the point that it's apparently worth a fuss over. And the same seems to apply to male physiology. She Who Must Not Be Named recently stirred people up by pointing out the fact that women's butts are far more prominent and emphasised than men's butts. I know she could read the contents of a packet of Corn Flakes and get a million angry responses, but the fact that even pointing out the discrepancy is so taboo should tell you something.

Probably because it's funny seeing a drowsy person stumble through a conversation with less filters than normal?

I think the lack of sleep is actually why I'm more prone to giggling.

Or that The Might endowed, who's a catgirl, might I add, is incredibly hard to take serious?

Honestly never heard of her until now, so....

A lot of super boobs are probably held up by super clothes well beyond our current tech. Super weaves, unstable particles, clothing architecture, auras of invulnerability, molded/plated clothes, magic, etc.
Maybe side powers from increased durability, and what not. I mean it makes sense that bulletproof skin would be firm enough to support the boob weight since elasticity would probably be different. If not, then maybe literal magic.

I don't by the whole defying gravity thing when there's people who actually put thought in the outfits they, and others wear. Maybe superior support that looks good is super to some people out there?
I know I like being stylish, and all, but I don't think it's really a fair trade off in imagery.

I just like to joke about perfect breasts that seem to remain perfect in every situation. They're not called the most common superpower for nothing.

 

[Dizchu]

If nature is sexist then yes. More importance is placed on the female body because when it comes to reproduction it's health is more important for bringing the child to term and that has influenced pretty much every human civilization throughout history. It's amazing how many people want to think that it was all just society and that women would be oggling pictures of the opposite sex as much as men if they where only allowed.

Human society is a part of nature though. Societies, like organisms themselves, evolve together. In fact, it's because of societies that evolution even happens, nothing evolves on its own.

You can't have it both ways. If sexist double standards are the result of how humans evolved then there must be a social element to it too. Humans are self-aware, therefore we can criticise these things (and it should be encouraged). Saying "that's just how it is" is a flimsy argument at the best of times.

Really for a male chest to have the same effect as a female one, we would need to spend a couple generations requiring men to wearing a bra when they don't have a shirt on.

Of course but really the only difference is that women have more fat in that area and lactate. I think we all know of men with tits larger than the average female's.

 

[Worgen]

If nature is sexist then yes. More importance is placed on the female body because when it comes to reproduction it's health is more important for bringing the child to term and that has influenced pretty much every human civilization throughout history. It's amazing how many people want to think that it was all just society and that women would be oggling pictures of the opposite sex as much as men if they where only allowed.

Human society is a part of nature though. Societies, like organisms themselves, evolve together. In fact, it's because of societies that evolution even happens, nothing evolves on its own.

You can't have it both ways. If sexist double standards are the result of how humans evolved then there must be a social element to it too. Humans are self-aware, therefore we can criticise these things (and it should be encouraged). Saying "that's just how it is" is a flimsy argument at the best of times.

Really for a male chest to have the same effect as a female one, we would need to spend a couple generations requiring men to wearing a bra when they don't have a shirt on.

Of course but really the only difference is that women have more fat in that area and lactate. I think we all know of men with tits larger than the average female's.

As nice as breasts are they are only really over-sexualized because they are covered. Really any bodypart that ends up being covered most of the time tends to be more and more sexualized.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

I don't know about sexism, but that design is just awful. Every single piece of her armor looks like it was engineered to be as dangerous for the wearer as possible. Gotta love the spikes on her elbows and shins that could only possibly stab her, and the low-riding faulds to show off that absolute territory. Seriously, that entire crotch region looks like it was designed to catch swords and get her legs chopped off.

She is a mounted cavalryman/woman - she rides a wyvern into battle and basically flies around, lancing and chopping people down and then running away. In her case, her outfit is merely personal preference - she isn't standing toe-to-toe in combat, and anything capable of hitting her in the first place would basically one-shot her anyway, she she really can wear what she wants. What armor she does have IS good for deflecting the blows that she would have to worry about - someone trying to get a swipe in on her arms, legs or side while she is swooping in.

Female characters in Fire Emblem who ARE standing in direct combat with the enemy - like Fighters, Lords, Generals, Paladins etc. - wearing combat ready armor, like Sully and Titana.

Spoiler

Sully is a horse-mounted unit, and Titana is a Paladin.

Uh, she's literally the most under protected wyvren rider in the series. Traditionally wyvren riders have high defense and wear heavy armor. They in fact generally are more heavily armored than both of the characters you posted images of.

 

[ThatOtherGirl]

Look, I like boobs just as much as the next person. But they are clearly excessively sexualized in media. Hell, I'm not even saying excessive sexualization is a problem on the individual example scale. I often like stupid sexy designs like the one you posted (though that strap between her boobs is annoying.)

The root of the complaint is not in the amount of enjoyment men get from boobs. Believe it or not, women don't care if men like to look at boobs (in the general sense.) It is the pervasive amount of sexualization that occurs and the imbalance of sexualization, which is itself an indication of a deeper problem.

Take Fire Emblem fates. I can say with confidence that at least 4 of the women are highly physically sexualized and I could make arguments for a few more. And it isn't just boobs, the fire emblem artists seem to have a big thing for legs as well. And to be clear, there is nothing inherently wrong with the fact that there are sexualized women. Sex is good! I like sexy legs too!

But I cannot say that for any of the male characters. Not a single male character is heavily physically sexualized. But even then, it is not necessarily a problem that only women are sexualized in this particular piece of media.

The problem is that this is a fairly universal trend. The level of physical sexualization of women vs men is very imbalanced and, as you have noted, the sexualization of women tends to exist for the enjoyment of people who are sexually attracted to women (typically men). This is an issue for several reasons, I'll touch on just one here:

Consider who characters are made for. Many female characters exist for men, where as very few male characters exist for women. Combined with the fact that there are fewer major female characters, the pool of characters that exist for women is relatively small.

 

[Gengisgame]

Changing "sexualised the way women's bodies are" to "no emphasis on the female form" is called "shifting the goalposts."

This is you avoiding the point and trying to play wordsmith, "shifting the goalpost" no make things up.

Womens bodies are sexual, culture across history has focused on that.

 

[Areloch]

Tight pants, definite bulge, light just HAPPENING to highlight said bulge and the cut of his vest curtains open out of the way for it? Hard to believe there wasn't at least SOME intent there to say "Behold his nether splendor!

Actually, the story is that he kept getting hit in the junk by Muppets, so they padded him out. Which would explain how he hit the notes from "Underground" and "Within You."

Is that true? That's hilarious and unfortunate all at the same time.

also, I'm just going to float this out there: almost everyone goes to David Bowie in Labyrinth. If there were any equivalence, don't you think this thread would be full of various examples?

I know you said "not as often," but nowhere near as often. So rare each one stands out.

You know, thinking on it, it seems to be something that is actually more common in real life than in media. I can think of a handful of examples of characters that have heavy emphasis on their coinpurse, but I can think of a lot of cases back in medival times alone where armor or fancy regal dress would emphasize, accentuate, or straight up overplay the guy's junk.

 

[09philj]

For the same reasons we don't tend to see female characters with exaggerated and emphasised vulvas, but do see male characters with broad shoulders, washboard stomachs, and muscular biceps.

 

[Redryhno]

I like how the wyvern's scales and her own armor create a shot trap that would guide any spear or pike aimed at her into her femoral artery. And her boob window is perfect for catching arrows.

Wait, not like. The other thing. Although that may be why she takes extra damage from archers.

Sully isn't much better. At least a pointy thing aimed at the horse won't glance off into her groin. Still, get some pads and leather, you're supposed to be professionals. Titana knows what I'm talking about.

How about you look at the armor that was designed primarily to suit mounted combat? Sully's honestly not that far off from it...Especially if you factor in eastern examples. I mean, you are aware that Fire Emblem is largely a multi-cultural mish mash shitshow when it comes to units and character designs.

Also come the fuck on, Titantia has metal plates riveted onto flapping leather with alot of cloth and a copious amount of unneeded belts. That's not protection, that's something from a fashion walk. Her midriff, legs and the important parts of her arms are still largely unprotected, which is where the majority of melee range attacks are going to hit. Not to mention ranged attacks are going to just tear her apart if we're going to be talking about real world designs. And that's ignoring that the extra weight just swinging around on the coat is going to unbalance her, espeically with that BFP she's throwing around.

Hell, you wanna talk her femoral artery, how about you remember that it's on the INSIDE of your UPPER THIGH, which if she's mounted and above the majority of people, she's not in any constant danger of that happening with her armor as it is. You do see the extra stuff on her legs near the area don't you? Hell, you can even take the argument of her silks being used as distraction and misdirection(both of which are not unheard of in armor and weapon designs in the real world)

Or we can agree that it is a videogame with videogame designs and they're supposed to be recognizable from something other than hair color(which is another thing that's wrong Titania's design.) And that stupid can come with the territory. I mean it's not like stupid/impractical/unwieldy designs are things that happen solely with female characters...

Really for a male chest to have the same effect as a female one, we would need to spend a couple generations requiring men to wearing a bra when they don't have a shirt on.

I dunno, most women I've run into wear a bra because they don't like their junk flying around...something about it being uncomfortable and nipple chafe.

 

[MeatMachine]

Women are usually sexualized over their body, while men are usually sexualized over their status. Stating that similar male traits and female traits, such as body parts should share the same amount of emphasis is a bit of a false equivilancy in practice, even if it is consistently equal in premise.

A completely naked woman is appealing because it shows off desirable breeding traits, which men, generally, are primarily drawn to. A completely naked man, however, does not indicate much about their status. Sure, hot naked men are attractive, but the whole "status" thing is the reason why male models are usually accessorized to display power, whether through wealth (nice cloths and jewelry, such as watches), positions of authority (firefighter, cop, or military outfits), or indicators of self-confidence and machismo (tattoos, bad-boy outfits, whatever).

This is why male strippers don't usually go full-monty, and why trying to hold male characters and female characters to the exact same behavioral or appearance standards simply isn't consistent with the way human beings perceive each other. If certain characters are designed in ways you don't like, I think it's more telling about who is responding to what (in the case of "oversexualized women", it more often than not is women bitching about how unfair it is for them), rather than that of the character, character creator, or primary audience.

 

[Paragon Fury]

I like how the wyvern's scales and her own armor create a shot trap that would guide any spear or pike aimed at her into her femoral artery. And her boob window is perfect for catching arrows.

Wait, not like. The other thing. Although that may be why she takes extra damage from archers.

Sully isn't much better. At least a pointy thing aimed at the horse won't glance off into her groin. Still, get some pads and leather, you're supposed to be professionals. Titana knows what I'm talking about.

How about you look at the armor that was designed primarily to suit mounted combat? Sully's honestly not that far off from it...Especially if you factor in eastern examples. I mean, you are aware that Fire Emblem is largely a multi-cultural mish mash shitshow when it comes to units and character designs.

Also come the fuck on, Titantia has metal plates riveted onto flapping leather with alot of cloth and a copious amount of unneeded belts. That's not protection, that's something from a fashion walk. Her midriff, legs and the important parts of her arms are still largely unprotected, which is where the majority of melee range attacks are going to hit. Not to mention ranged attacks are going to just tear her apart if we're going to be talking about real world designs. And that's ignoring that the extra weight just swinging around on the coat is going to unbalance her, espeically with that BFP she's throwing around.

Hell, you wanna talk her femoral artery, how about you remember that it's on the INSIDE of your UPPER THIGH, which if she's mounted and above the majority of people, she's not in any constant danger of that happening with her armor as it is. You do see the extra stuff on her legs near the area don't you? Hell, you can even take the argument of her silks being used as distraction and misdirection(both of which are not unheard of in armor and weapon designs in the real world)

Or we can agree that it is a videogame with videogame designs and they're supposed to be recognizable from something other than hair color(which is another thing that's wrong Titania's design.) And that stupid can come with the territory. I mean it's not like stupid/impractical/unwieldy designs are things that happen solely with female characters...

Really for a male chest to have the same effect as a female one, we would need to spend a couple generations requiring men to wearing a bra when they don't have a shirt on.

I dunno, most women I've run into wear a bra because they don't like their junk flying around...something about it being uncomfortable and nipple chafe.

I feel like it should be pointed out that in Fire Emblem takes the more traditional, if less honorable view and method of mounted combat - except for Paladins - where mounted units are for skirmishing and hit-and-run.

Someone like Cordellia, Camilla, Sully etc. are never going to dismount to fight or commit to the general melee; they're just going to keep hitting and running. Mounted units in FE suffer the same kind of common death that their real life counterparts did - not death from being hit or wounds, but rather their mounts being hit and crushing/throwing them (or in the case of a wyvern/pegasus/griffon rider, becoming a greasy smear on the ground after hitting it at twice the speed of a galloping horse while several stories in the air).

Its actually kind of funny that this translated into gameplay too - mounted units, particularly flyers, have been so broken in the FE series even after multiple attempted nerfs, that Nintendo finally went "Fuck it" and absolutely stuffed the two newest games - Awakening and Fates - chock full of archers (anti-flyers) and armored units (anti-mounted since mounted typically don't get access to Axes/Hammers until they promote) so finally make it so that people like Camilla, Cordellia and Sully don't absolutely break the game.

 

[Snotnarok]

Let's look at this from an artistic perspective ....Maybe they just wanted to make something pretty and they happen to like breasts. Some girls like showing them off with necks, most guys aren't blind to this, it's not abnormal. I'm asexual, I really could care less about sexual. Yes it's armor, but it's also fantasy, yes it's a big vulnerable spot, but it's also fantasy, yes it's unrealistic but so is casting magic.

It's art, create something fun and enjoyable. I'm not into people trying to tell artists what to draw. Don't like it then don't bloody buy it.

I'm not into all the girly pretty boys in games that are incredibly feminine (some to the point where you need to read a bio to tell) but whatever they're there, they're a character and it's fine, not going to judge them on that but what they do. It's what the artist wanted to do and, hey that's cool by me, draw what you want.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

Women are usually sexualized over their body, while men are usually sexualized over their status. Stating that similar male traits and female traits, such as body parts should share the same amount of emphasis is a bit of a false equivilancy in practice, even if it is consistently equal in premise.

A completely naked woman is appealing because it shows off desirable breeding traits, which men, generally, are primarily drawn to. A completely naked man, however, does not indicate much about their status. Sure, hot naked men are attractive, but the whole "status" thing is the reason why male models are usually accessorized to display power, whether through wealth (nice cloths and jewelry, such as watches), positions of authority (firefighter, cop, or military outfits), or indicators of self-confidence and machismo (tattoos, bad-boy outfits, whatever).

This is why male strippers don't usually go full-monty, and why trying to hold male characters and female characters to the exact same behavioral or appearance standards simply isn't consistent with the way human beings perceive each other. If certain characters are designed in ways you don't like, I think it's more telling about who is responding to what (in the case of "oversexualized women", it more often than not is women bitching about how unfair it is for them), rather than that of the character, character creator, or primary audience.

Because when I look at the cast of Free, I see status, not wet, dreamy, gay boys.

 

[BoredRolePlayer]

The breast falls under the category of 'secondary sexual characteristics,' so they're more comparable to male physique then anything else, not the penis.

Yup. Whenever people compare boobs to penises it's a false dichotomy. Doesn't matter who does it, feminists complaining about fictional characters or the idiot anti-feminists that obsessively sexualise breasts.

A female character with her cleavage showing should be seen the same way as a dude with a plunging v-neck that shows his chest hair (though personally I'd take cleavage over hairy man chests any day). These discussions about double standards with video game characters always frustrate me because there seems to be stupid reductionist arguments on both sides.

Sorry you said deep V-neck, and I thought of this.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

sniparooni

Look, I know you like these designs, but c'mon. "Copious amounts of unneeded belts"? I counted three belts, all of them hoisting that rather impressive amount of leg armor. "Metal riveted to leather"? Yes, Titana's wearing armor. That's what it tends to be made of when it's not full-plate. Layered leather and cloth, metal plates at key points, hell, she even has some underarm/rib cage protection.

Titana's armored as fuck.

Why do you think she'd take more damage from arrows than the gal with a literal boob window? When a spear or pike glances off the neck of boob-gal's wyvern, where do you think it's going. Upward angle, getting caught between a scaly neck and a leg plate that angles in, without so much as cloth, let alone leather or mail to stop it? Bleed out city.

EDIT: Look up linothorax sometime. Cloth armor is nothing to sneeze at and would be more that suitable midriff protection. Also, negative points for complaining about Titana's midriff while comparing her to a character with an absolutely unprotected chest and who's groin protection is some gauze and a metal bikini.

 

[Worgen]

I like how the wyvern's scales and her own armor create a shot trap that would guide any spear or pike aimed at her into her femoral artery. And her boob window is perfect for catching arrows.

Wait, not like. The other thing. Although that may be why she takes extra damage from archers.

Sully isn't much better. At least a pointy thing aimed at the horse won't glance off into her groin. Still, get some pads and leather, you're supposed to be professionals. Titana knows what I'm talking about.

How about you look at the armor that was designed primarily to suit mounted combat? Sully's honestly not that far off from it...Especially if you factor in eastern examples. I mean, you are aware that Fire Emblem is largely a multi-cultural mish mash shitshow when it comes to units and character designs.

Also come the fuck on, Titantia has metal plates riveted onto flapping leather with alot of cloth and a copious amount of unneeded belts. That's not protection, that's something from a fashion walk. Her midriff, legs and the important parts of her arms are still largely unprotected, which is where the majority of melee range attacks are going to hit. Not to mention ranged attacks are going to just tear her apart if we're going to be talking about real world designs. And that's ignoring that the extra weight just swinging around on the coat is going to unbalance her, espeically with that BFP she's throwing around.

Hell, you wanna talk her femoral artery, how about you remember that it's on the INSIDE of your UPPER THIGH, which if she's mounted and above the majority of people, she's not in any constant danger of that happening with her armor as it is. You do see the extra stuff on her legs near the area don't you? Hell, you can even take the argument of her silks being used as distraction and misdirection(both of which are not unheard of in armor and weapon designs in the real world)

Or we can agree that it is a videogame with videogame designs and they're supposed to be recognizable from something other than hair color(which is another thing that's wrong Titania's design.) And that stupid can come with the territory. I mean it's not like stupid/impractical/unwieldy designs are things that happen solely with female characters...

Really for a male chest to have the same effect as a female one, we would need to spend a couple generations requiring men to wearing a bra when they don't have a shirt on.

I dunno, most women I've run into wear a bra because they don't like their junk flying around...something about it being uncomfortable and nipple chafe.

I never said bras aren't useful, in fact as I understand they are quite liberating for women since they keep their breasts from swinging around and getting in the way. But the fact that breasts are covered most of the time allows them to be more sexualized then if they were the sort of thing that was just seen casually.

 

[Redryhno]

sniparooni

Look, I know you like these designs, but c'mon. "Copious amounts of unneeded belts"? I counted three belts, all of them hoisting that rather impressive amount of leg armor. "Metal riveted to leather"? Yes, Titana's wearing armor. That's what it tends to be made of when it's not full-plate. Layered leather and cloth, metal plates at key points, hell, she even has some underarm/rib cage protection.

Titana's armored as fuck.

Why do you think she'd take more damage from arrows than the gal with a literal boob window? When a spear or pike glances off the neck of boob-gal's wyvern, where do you think it's going. Upward angle, getting caught between a scaly neck and a leg plate that angles in, without so much as cloth, let alone leather or mail to stop it? Bleed out city.

Actually, I never said anything about liking the designs. I thought my last paragraph of "stupid designs come with the territory" sorta made it clear how I felt about them...but I suppose I should've made it incredibly explicit...So I'll do that now in big bold letters, imagine I'm saying it in comic sans as well

Spoiler

I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY'RE PRETTY STUPID, BUT IT'S A VIDEOGAME THAT DOES NOT TRY TO REFLECT REAL LIFE

Also, no, Titania's not "armored as fuck". She's got half a breastplate, shinguards, and gauntlets. Again as I said, the majority of her body is still unprotected. What the hell kind of leather that's supposed to protect you flaps around like that(not to mention who in their right mind cuts leather like that to begin with if they're planning on going into a fight since we're complaining about the impractical nature of Sully and Camilla)? She's very lightly armored, it's not layers of cloth and chain, it's just cloth padding with some metal slapped on it dude. She's still very much open to being hit and seriously injured due to her lack of actual protection because most injuries happen to the mid part of the extremities simply due to how the body works and her weapon choice.

And you're forgetting something important with Camilla, you have tried to hit something that's moving fast in a game haven't you? You know how fucking annoying Spider Slicers and some Serious Sam enemies are to aim at right? Imagine that with a weapon that requires a helluva lot more effort put simply into aiming, not to mention the extra draw weight to hold and the lead required with a weapon that has roughly half the speed available of even a .22 pistol and can easily get fucked by stray, though strong, winds. I figured since we're talking about real world designs that was relevant.

Like I said dude, it's a videogame, it doesn't try to be historical beyond inspiration and some of the designs. The whole point for the majority of them is simply to be able to easily differentiate characters and units by color alone if possible. And artists like boobs and often enjoy impractical designs for ALL the characters in FE.

 

[Something Amyss]

This is you avoiding the point and trying to play wordsmith, "shifting the goalpost" no make things up.

It's not, it's me pointing out that you responded to one claim and are demanding proof of another.

manic correctly said that the disparity of sexualisation is sexism. You tried to claim that it was natureal. Now you're trying to say:

Womens bodies are sexual, culture across history has focused on that.

Which doesn't address their claim.

Look, I like boobs just as much as the next person.

You may not like them as much as some of the participants in this thread, however. >.<