Why geeks are bullied

briankoontz

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This isn't a defense of bullying - the way to deal with the problem I describe is through political organization.

The 1960s failed to bring about substantial political change. The solution pursued by nerds was to burrow underneath reality, to create an "alternate reality", or virtual reality. Using this reality, *their* reality, they would take power in the world. Computers, and then the internet, are the key tools used to bring this about. The recent movie The Cabin in the Woods handles this nicely, with the geeky character being the only one to understand the virtual reality controlling their lives.

Dungeons and Dragons is a metaphor for this experience - leaving the "real world" and entering dark dungeons (the inner world of computers) to do battle with monsters (bosses, jocks) - finally exterminating the monsters and gaining wealth, power, and fame.

Violence is always the answer when there's no other answer. The 1980s was the pinnacle of bullying of nerds, as that was the last chance for a world not dominated by virtual reality. The movie Computer Chess addresses this period.

We now live in a world dominated by computers and the internet, and of course by geeks. Geeks are now powerful enough to be openly social, as opposed to the 1980s nerd who hid from the world to protect himself and his creation of virtual reality. Geeks are now powerful enough to oppress others, as the movie Hacktivism details with respect to Scientology.

Geeks have given us the surveillance state, have allowed for the financialization of the global economy. They've also enabled us to communicate anywhere, at any time, and to see a remarkable range of uses of cats on the internet. There is an entire ruling class structure of geeks, from Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg to Felix Arvid Ulf Kjellberg (pewdiepie) to the typical computer programmer.

Geeks have succeeded in coming to power. They've killed the monsters, gotten the loot, leveled up. Now they live on the surface of the world, many as kings. But as a peasant might say as he witnesses the carnage and the smile of triumph on the face of the geek, what was the point?
 

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So what your saying is because geeks were bullied it now gives them the right to bully others. I think not

You are using movies as an example. Lets look at die hard 4. Geeks/nerds/computery people managed to hold america to ransom. Who stopped them? the archetype of a jock...thats who

Im not in favour of these geek/jock stereotypes because its kinda stupid to be honest. However the real reason geeks were bullied is because being a geek is pretty submissive. The stereotypical geek is socially awkward, not physically fit and spent a lot of time indoors. This is why they were bullied. Because they should traits of weakness
 

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Surely geeks are bullied for much the same reason anyone else is, that is, because the bully can?

Now, this is in part due to how society views them, they are less likely to be bullied (as geeks) due to society viewing them more favourably, and so they aren't as vulnerable, but those who are vulnerable to being bullied always will be, to some extent.
 

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I'm not 100% sure on the discussion value after reading the OP, but I'll go with the question asked in the thread title.

I know in our circle we like to consider ourselves so, but geeks are not special.

They get bullied for the same reasons everyone else does.
Yeah, our interests used to be seen as pretty sad and pathetic, but now they're completely mainstream.
Most of us just didn't fit in, and that's fine.

I don't understand the average geek's victim complex in regards to being bullied.
Yes, I was bullied for my interest in `geeky` things, but that doesn't make me any more special or more of a geek than someone who wasn't. I hate it when people suggest that it's some sort of requirement.
I dunno, maybe I'm older than the average user, but the dwelling on schoolyard bullying doesn't make much sense to me.
 

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If off "geeks" as you call them are bullied because they fall into something other than the norm but the main reason they get hate if because they are "easy to identify" for lack of a better word. This causes social anxiety which only makes things worse for them.
Personally I love Star Wars as you can see by my thread but I'm not identified as a geek because nobody can tell I am. I'm at track star and going into the army etc... now I would jump at the chance to play D&D and I've told my close friends that and they mostly agree it would be a cool experience.
Now I'm never saying hide who you are but don't let one thing define you. Sure somebody can make D&D their favorite thing but talk about something else and that's why they are picked on.

Note: This is not a defense of bullying just an observation.
 

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Pewdiepie isn't a geek, and the type of "geek" that those successful entrepreneurs you mentioned is infinitely different to geeks who spend all day watching shitty anime and complaining about Call of Duty on the internet.
 

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I like how the thread title was one thing, and the OP started off right, but suddenly took a left turn and ran.

Anyways, geeks are bullied because they don't fight back. Almost by definition, they shrink away somewhere safe.
 

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I don't think I share your world view. I've known some pretty geeky jocks who have never bullied anyone. I've also known complete nerds who were assholes to everyone. People don't fall into neat categories like jock and geek. If someone's bullied, it's because they come across as submissive. I used to be bullied, but once I stopped apologizing for who I was and became confident, that all went out the window.
 

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Westaway said:
Pewdiepie isn't a geek, and the type of "geek" that those successful entrepreneurs you mentioned is infinitely different to geeks who spend all day watching shitty anime and complaining about Call of Duty on the internet.
There isn't enough likes on the internet to explain how on point this quote is.

Just because someone plays Magic: The Gathering, collects comics, grinds at WoW, or plays WH40K table-top doesn't instantly make them a computer science expert or a rocket scientist. I know plenty of people who plays lots of video games, watch anime, MLP, and pretty much every other stereotypical geek and nerd thing around, and are far from being hyper intelligent.

Back in the 60's and 70's, when computers were extremely difficult to use by anyone who didn't have lots of computer knowledge, this idea made a little more sense, but now considering how user friendly most tech is, this idea that "I'm a geek because I play MTG, therefore I'm way smarter than those dumb jocks who play Football" is utter baloney.
 

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lacktheknack said:
I like how the thread title was one thing, and the OP started off right, but suddenly took a left turn and ran.

Anyways, geeks are bullied because they don't fight back. Almost by definition, they shrink away somewhere safe.
I fought back. Not only did it cause escalation, it also led to problems with authorities (at school and the police).

One of the great unexpected moments in my life was my pacifist parents threatening to sue the school if they suspended me for defending myself, especially since the people who started the fight got jack in terms of punishment.

I'm not sure what fighting back is supposed to accomplish, but all it did was get me in trouble.
 

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They do it coz they can get away with it, (And likely to vent their own stress) since there's often not a damn thing society, especially schools will do about it. Or because they've got some twisted notion that it motivates people, or something like that which can very much not have the desired affect.

These assholes will push, and push, and push, and push coz they know you can't beat them up without legal ramifications, and likely because there's no physical contest. So long as they keep what they do verbal and/or on the downlow, they'll likely get away with it, much to the chagrin of the people they victimize.

Peacemakers are usually content to stay the feck away from the matter, and stay out of it letting it happen until they absolutely -have- to get involved, usually by then, it's too damn late.

Thing is, there's no magical "reset" button on how a person feels about another, and bullies certainly don't give any time for release, nor do they care. Instead, they pump more air into the balloon until it bursts, and, well, there's violence. Considering the less physically able will likely look for an equalizer in the matter for the sake of being left alone, it doesn't take a ton of imagination to figure out what happens next.
In otherwords, if a bully garners the hatred of their victim, that hatred's not likely going to go away any time soon. That hatred can cause emotional, and spiritual scarring that never completely fades.

What really doesn't help matters is, as I said before, peacemakers stay the hell out of things until it's too late. Until then, victims feel cornered. No one's helping them, and standing up for themselves will likely lead to them getting hurt, or in trouble. They can possibly quit school/work for the sake of their sanity as an alternative to violence, but who the hell does that save? It just screws over the victim even more.

I really don't see "geeks" coming in to power because nothing's really changed. Moreover, anyone from any clique can be an asshole. Schools, and most any place of forced congregation are rampant with people victimizing people to the point of last resort. Nothing will likely change, frankly. Bullying is human nature.
Of course the peacemakers can intervene, rearrange workplaces/classrooms for the sake of the victims, and maybe punish the bullies, but I've been in the situation enough, and met enough people to know that the rare gems of people who give a damn about the victims enough to do something about it are few, and far in between.

/rant
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
lacktheknack said:
I like how the thread title was one thing, and the OP started off right, but suddenly took a left turn and ran.

Anyways, geeks are bullied because they don't fight back. Almost by definition, they shrink away somewhere safe.
I fought back. Not only did it cause escalation, it also led to problems with authorities (at school and the police).

One of the great unexpected moments in my life was my pacifist parents threatening to sue the school if they suspended me for defending myself, especially since the people who started the fight got jack in terms of punishment.

I'm not sure what fighting back is supposed to accomplish, but all it did was get me in trouble.
The point where I started throwing my weight around was the point people stopped bullying me and I started making actual friends.

I'm pretty sure there's an awful, awful life lesson in there, but I just chalk it up to middle-schoolers being terrible creatures.
 

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ok this topic just veered into a weird direction...too weird for me

Geeks get bullies because they are different
 

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I haven't read every post in this topic so maybe this has been said already; but it's not just geeks who get bullied.

Sure, they're an easy target for many a bully; but you'd be surprised about how many kids get bullied despite not fitting the image many people have of the "average" bullying victim.

Just to give an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJQGabCzTyo

(my apologies, I don't know how to display the youtube-video directly in the topic the way I've seen other posters do)
 

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lacktheknack said:
The point where I started throwing my weight around was the point people stopped bullying me and I started making actual friends.
That's nice for you, but it doesn't undo the damage done to me for doing the same thing. It didn't stop a guy from trying to crack my head open with a cinder block. And that's kind of the problem. You offered "night fighting back" as the reason for bullying. That's a rather specious observation. You might as well say geeks are only geeks because they "can't get laid."

"Fight back" is the kind of worthless platitude I expect from Doctor Phil.
 

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I'm fairly certain I was bullied because I had social anxiety and triggering panic attacks is fun apparently.

If anything, 'geeky' things helped me NOT be bullied because they helped me make friends who weren't bullied.
 

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lacktheknack said:
The point where I started throwing my weight around was the point people stopped bullying me and I started making actual friends.

I'm pretty sure there's an awful, awful life lesson in there, but I just chalk it up to middle-schoolers being terrible creatures.
I dunno. I was lucky enough to go to a school where bullying was rare, and reasonably tame. I don't recall physical intimidation or abuse ever really happening, so maybe I'm just speaking from ignorance. But I can imagine that there are plenty of situations where fighting back would just give the bullies all the justification they need to stomp you into the ground.

Especially if one of the reasons they get to bully you is because the onset of puberty came early for them and they're twice your size at age 14.
 

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Geeks specifically? I've heard it condensed to 2 areas: anti-intellectualism and anti-individualism.

For the first, geek hobbies are traditionally more involved: heavy involved reading vs watching episodic TV, heavy Math in D&D vs catching a ball in football, the strategy of Magic the Gathering against the luck of the draw poker. Stuff like that. If you we in a school with a grading curve being smart made you an actual threat to other people's grades, and even if not, not everyone responds well to the idea that they aren't the most superior being in the world. So we end up with a situation where some lash out directly while other ostracize and mock others because they don't want to feel stupid, lazy or unmotivated by proxy of being around something that isn't.

Anti-individualism has some roots in older thinking. Certain hobbies were "manly" and anything not "manly" by default was "girly". Hence not following the prescribed "manly" path made you fair game for whatever they wanted to throw at you. While a lot of that went away, until "geek became chic" a geek was still someone that's existence said to the world I dress how I want, I do what I want, and I don't care about what you think about what that makes me (even if they themselves didn't). Geek was a cultural antithesis to the idea that being popular, and doing what was necessary to be popular and get popular people to like you was something all important, hence: threat. Same results as above. Of course other groups get bullied for the same reason. We're tribal and and self important, so we vilify those that dare to non-conform.

This is the starting point, and as others have said, physical weakness and lack of confidence perpetuates it.