why hating on kony 2012 is inherently wrong

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

okay the reason why is that the internet had opportunity to do something good, yes maybe it wasn't something great and better things could be done but we had opportunity to do something really good by bringing some one who killed hundreds of people, made hundreds of children into drug slaves and destroyed thousands of lives to justice

No, grow the fuck up. This is the internet, reposting a video does jack shit for bringing someone to justice. 20 fucking years of operation, arrest warrants for 7 of them, direct military involvement for 2 and we still haven't got the guy. If you think that you were doing some good by sharing that video then you're incredibly fucking naive.

destroying this guys life was the correct thing to do because it wasnt and under no circumstance would destroying this guys life be acceptable when all he was trying to do was bring an evil person to justice and you destroyed him for it

Yes, my hate on the most viral video of all time destroyed this man's entire life. I hope it fucking did if he was that pathetic and weak. I'm not going to blindly support something just because everyone else thinks I should.

 

[theSteamSupported]

Doug Walker (Nostalgia Critic) made a sketch about this debate, I had roughly the same experience with Kony 2012 (minus the money).

http://youtu.be/BrZVFnqDpUM

EDIT: Why cn't I embed!?

 

[the random]

Cant tell if serious or just stupid.

This is the internet, not everyone is a sheep that follows everything because some guy said so. I didnt follow this because I knew it would achieve nothing. Not because i'm "evil" or "wrong". I always followed up my statements with evidence why it wouldnt work. Invisible Children act like the second word in their name "CHILDREN". They believe they can fix the world at the press of a button.

i dont have a problem with people who simply just choose not to support invisible children my problem lies in the people that made it their mission to destroy invisible children that i think was very un called for and the wrong thing to do

as ive said i dont actually support invisible children but i dont think its destruction accomplished anything and i dont think it was the right way to handle this, a much better way would have been to either A. ignore it until it goes away (this would have happened much quicker if people didnt hate on it) or B. interdependently put pressure on government officials to deal with kony and the mess that is uganda in general

from what i can see the outcome of this is no one in uganda gets any help at all, kony gets of scott free with some pretty horrific crimes, invisible children (which despite its imperfections and cock ups managed to achieve allot more than most people do) looses all popular support and no one wins except the few haters who see the disaster as some kind of victory and proceed to dance on invisible children's corpse and act like they won some sort of victory

What is so wrong with a little positive critsism. It helps them improve. If you didnt know, even the Ugandans effected by kony dont think that he should be chased after. They dont even see him as a threat anymore. They want the money put into helping rebuild the villages and people affected by kony rather than going on some wild goose chase around central Africa.

nothing is wrong with positive criticism (it is actually very helpful) but i think its fairly obvious that what invisible children was getting (for the most part) was very aggressively attacked from all sides which was very counter productive

its the difference between this conversation
person "hey invisible children i dont think your finances are in order because only 30% of the money you raise gets given away what gives with that?"
invisible children "im glad you asked this is not uncommon for our sort of charity as were more about raising awareness and getting the government involved than directly dealing with the problem however we see this is an area we can improve on and we will try to get more money to the ugandans that need it provided people are willing to donate"

and this conversation
person "omg invisible children only gives 30% of the money away they must be corrupt and evil i knew this was a scam everyone who gives any remote support to invisible children must be stupid FULL CAPS RAGE"

judging by what people have been posting at me the later has unfortunately been the most popular approach to the situation because apparently the internet is about as ready to discuss this maturely as it is to transform into a fire breathing dragon and personally kill kony

 

[El Danny]

okay the reason why is that the internet had opportunity to do something good, yes maybe it wasn't something great and better things could be done but we had opportunity to do something really good by bringing some one who killed hundreds of people, made hundreds of children into drug slaves and destroyed thousands of lives to justice

but instead everyone jumped on a huge hater band wagon mostly for small, petty, illegitimate reasons or even down right lies, its true that there are some legitimate reasons to disagree with invisible children but only 1% of hater's ive seen use them and these people couldn't disagree quietly no they went about trying to destroy all of invisible children's support with the same energy and determination were if the same energy and determination were used to support kony 2012 this guy would probably have been bought to justice by now but instead they destroyed the life work of a guy who was trying to do something good and could have succeeded, and destroyed it to such a degree he got high on drugs and ran round the street naked and now people are dancing on his corpse, i hope your happy haters you win congratulations i hope your really proud of yourself and the worst part is that all this grew from an opportunity to do something good.

dont bother commenting trying to excuse your behavior or explain to me why destroying this guys life was the correct thing to do because it wasnt and under no circumstance would destroying this guys life be acceptable when all he was trying to do was bring an evil person to justice and you destroyed him for it

if you hated in invisible children you should be fucking ashamed of yourself

Invisible Children was a cash jump on someone who died 6 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry <<---- This is why Kony 2012 surpporters are idiots, you know absolutly nothing about why these leaders are in place. If you want to be a social activist actually learn about what you're trying to change, instead of making a pointless campaign against Token African Warlord #287 that isn't going to change jack.

 

[wintercoat]

how many people does it take to collectively be called "internet trolls"??

i wonder what the collective noun is for a group of internet trolls? maybe a bridge or a party? some one actually good at naming things (not me) should come up with one

on a more serious note i dont think you have to be in the minority to be a troll, for the same reason you can be in the minority and not a troll, its about how you condiuct yourself online and allot of the people i see hating (and a good many people for invisible children) on invisible are full caps on swear mode engaged poorly reasoned argument internet trolls

I'm gonna go with internet. An internet of trolls. That sounds about right.

 

[Vanitas likes Bubbles]

Cant tell if serious or just stupid.

This is the internet, not everyone is a sheep that follows everything because some guy said so. I didnt follow this because I knew it would achieve nothing. Not because i'm "evil" or "wrong". I always followed up my statements with evidence why it wouldnt work. Invisible Children act like the second word in their name "CHILDREN". They believe they can fix the world at the press of a button.

i dont have a problem with people who simply just choose not to support invisible children my problem lies in the people that made it their mission to destroy invisible children that i think was very un called for and the wrong thing to do

as ive said i dont actually support invisible children but i dont think its destruction accomplished anything and i dont think it was the right way to handle this, a much better way would have been to either A. ignore it until it goes away (this would have happened much quicker if people didnt hate on it) or B. interdependently put pressure on government officials to deal with kony and the mess that is uganda in general

from what i can see the outcome of this is no one in uganda gets any help at all, kony gets of scott free with some pretty horrific crimes, invisible children (which despite its imperfections and cock ups managed to achieve allot more than most people do) looses all popular support and no one wins except the few haters who see the disaster as some kind of victory and proceed to dance on invisible children's corpse and act like they won some sort of victory

What is so wrong with a little positive critsism. It helps them improve. If you didnt know, even the Ugandans effected by kony dont think that he should be chased after. They dont even see him as a threat anymore. They want the money put into helping rebuild the villages and people affected by kony rather than going on some wild goose chase around central Africa.

nothing is wrong with positive criticism (it is actually very helpful) but i think its fairly obvious that what invisible children was getting (for the most part) was very aggressively attacked from all sides which was very counter productive

its the difference between this conversation
person "hey invisible children i dont think your finances are in order because only 30% of the money you raise gets given away what gives with that?"
invisible children "im glad you asked this is not uncommon for our sort of charity as were more about raising awareness and getting the government involved than directly dealing with the problem however we see this is an area we can improve on and we will try to get more money to the ugandans that need it provided people are willing to donate"

and this conversation
person "omg invisible children only gives 30% of the money away they must be corrupt and evil i knew this was a scam everyone who gives any remote support to invisible children must be stupid FULL CAPS RAGE"

judging by what people have been posting at me the later has unfortunately been the most popular approach to the situation because apparently the internet is about as ready to discuss this maturely as it is to transform into a fire breathing dragon and personally kill kony

I understand where you're coming from and I totally agree. All this hate mail never helps anyone but you cant expect most people to have a civilised conversation. I agree that feedback should be discussed in a more civil matter but that will unlikely ever happen.

CAPTCHA: tighty whitey, doesth thow mockist me captcha

 

[the random]

okay the reason why is that the internet had opportunity to do something good, yes maybe it wasn't something great and better things could be done but we had opportunity to do something really good by bringing some one who killed hundreds of people, made hundreds of children into drug slaves and destroyed thousands of lives to justice

No, grow the fuck up. This is the internet, reposting a video does jack shit for bringing someone to justice. 20 fucking years of operation, arrest warrants for 7 of them, direct military involvement for 2 and we still haven't got the guy. If you think that you were doing some good by sharing that video then you're incredibly fucking naive.

destroying this guys life was the correct thing to do because it wasnt and under no circumstance would destroying this guys life be acceptable when all he was trying to do was bring an evil person to justice and you destroyed him for it

Yes, my hate on the most viral video of all time destroyed this man's entire life. I hope it fucking did if he was that pathetic and weak. I'm not going to blindly support something just because everyone else thinks I should.

1. i never said that re-posting a video helped bring down kony (and i never personally did) i just said that we had the potential to do it (however we completely fucked it up)
2. dude let me get afew hundred thousand people together to all shout hate at you over the internet (mostly for very poor reasons) and see how it affects you because it doesn't matter how thick skinned you are it will get to you and next thing you know youre the guy in drugs embarrassing himself
3. i dont personally support invisible children but they had the potential to be something i could get behind and i know several people who looked carefully at both sides of the argument and chose to support knoy 2012 they, were not sheep and they did a damn site more good (IMO) in supporting invisible children than all the people combined who have effectively destroyed it

as i just replied to some one else hating on invisible children accomplishes nothing, it doesnt help the ugandans, it doesn't help bring kony to justice and it destroys on of the few charities that has had any sort of success in addressing the issue (no matter how little it actually managed to do in the end) if anything its just counter productive and it would have been much better for everyone if it didnt happen

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

Wait, wasn't the whole "Kony 2012" thing already debunct when it came out that they were using like decade old footage? This guy doesn't have an "army" anymore, it's like him and 200 guys who REALLY wish they had political power. Not only that, but Ugandans fucking HATE the Kony 2012 movement, when they screened it there, the people threw rocks at the screen. The Kony 2012 movement was a ploy by the people who started it to get their hands on "relief" money.

I'm not saying this DIDN'T happen, but it hasn't been as issue for over 10 years. The people who were actually THERE and affected by it have moved on. Time for you to do the same.

 

[the random]

okay the reason why is that the internet had opportunity to do something good, yes maybe it wasn't something great and better things could be done but we had opportunity to do something really good by bringing some one who killed hundreds of people, made hundreds of children into drug slaves and destroyed thousands of lives to justice

but instead everyone jumped on a huge hater band wagon mostly for small, petty, illegitimate reasons or even down right lies, its true that there are some legitimate reasons to disagree with invisible children but only 1% of hater's ive seen use them and these people couldn't disagree quietly no they went about trying to destroy all of invisible children's support with the same energy and determination were if the same energy and determination were used to support kony 2012 this guy would probably have been bought to justice by now but instead they destroyed the life work of a guy who was trying to do something good and could have succeeded, and destroyed it to such a degree he got high on drugs and ran round the street naked and now people are dancing on his corpse, i hope your happy haters you win congratulations i hope your really proud of yourself and the worst part is that all this grew from an opportunity to do something good.

dont bother commenting trying to excuse your behavior or explain to me why destroying this guys life was the correct thing to do because it wasnt and under no circumstance would destroying this guys life be acceptable when all he was trying to do was bring an evil person to justice and you destroyed him for it

if you hated in invisible children you should be fucking ashamed of yourself

Invisible Children was a cash jump on someone who died 6 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry <<---- This is why Kony 2012 surpporters are idiots, you know absolutly nothing about why these leaders are in place. If you want to be a social activist actually learn about what you're trying to change, instead of making a pointless campaign against Token African Warlord #287 that isn't going to change jack.

1. seriously your quoted source is wikipedia?
2. i dont support invisible children however o know several intelligent people who looked at both sides of the argument and support invisible children and although i dont support it i could see it evolving into something i could support and although it want accomplishing anything by getting a video popular it could have used that popular support to make a difference
3. im not trying to be a social activist im trying to convince people that although you may disagree with something (like invisible children) it doesnt mean you should hate on it and campaign against it

 

[Beartrucci]

That is all LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

[the random]

Wait, wasn't the whole "Kony 2012" thing already debunct when it came out that they were using like decade old footage? This guy doesn't have an "army" anymore, it's like him and 200 guys who REALLY wish they had political power. Not only that, but Ugandans fucking HATE the Kony 2012 movement, when they screened it there, the people threw rocks at the screen. The Kony 2012 movement was a ploy by the people who started it to get their hands on "relief" money.

I'm not saying this DIDN'T happen, but it hasn't been as issue for over 10 years. The people who were actually THERE and affected by it have moved on. Time for you to do the same.

the ugandans may not hate kony but i do

in all seriousness going after kony was no were near the best thing you could do to help the situation in uganda but i saw it as a relief that anyone was successfully doing anything and i thought that this could be a vital step in getting people interested in helping uganda and might lead to some more effective aid and preferably some government or another gets involved to really sort things out
"every great journey starts with a single step" sun tzu

in regards to it being corrupt they definitely are not that as they have been turning away donations and even asked people to stop sending in donations over CNN

 

[Mathak]

Wait, wasn't the whole "Kony 2012" thing already debunct when it came out that they were using like decade old footage? This guy doesn't have an "army" anymore, it's like him and 200 guys who REALLY wish they had political power. Not only that, but Ugandans fucking HATE the Kony 2012 movement, when they screened it there, the people threw rocks at the screen. The Kony 2012 movement was a ploy by the people who started it to get their hands on "relief" money.

I'm not saying this DIDN'T happen, but it hasn't been as issue for over 10 years. The people who were actually THERE and affected by it have moved on. Time for you to do the same.

the ugandans may not hate kony but i do

in all seriousness going after kony was no were near the best thing you could do to help the situation in uganda but i saw it as a relief that anyone was successfully doing anything and i thought that this could be a vital step in getting people interested in helping uganda and might lead to some more effective aid and preferably some government or another gets involved to really sort things out
"every great journey starts with a single step" sun tzu

in regards to it being corrupt they definitely are not that as they have been turning away donations and even asked people to stop sending in donations over CNN

Just because you disagree with Kony doesn't mean you should hate him and try to destroy him. God, you're such a terrible person.

 

[Baron von Blitztank]

So let me get this straight, because I still have no idea what this is about

There's this guy called Joseph Kony, he ran an army in Uganda which forced children to kill their parents (or die themselves) and turned the boys into soldiers and the girls into sex slaves. He caused terror throughout the country and he died some years ago and the army has been disbanded and they have barely any political power now. Then there are some people on the internet who are trying to run a charity to stop Kony (who, again, is dead) by using old footage of him in a marketing campaign to get people to donate to a cause that is pointless because the guy they are trying to stop is dead. This shows that the internet people running the charity are using it as a ploy to scam people out of their money who thought they are donating for a good cause but are really just covering this guys costs for filming in Uganda and giving him some more proceeds in the process.

Am I anywhere near close? Because from how I get it there is a good reason for the internet to be hating on Kony 2012

 

[Nikolaz72]

okay the reason why is that the internet had opportunity to do something good, yes maybe it wasn't something great and better things could be done but we had opportunity to do something really good by bringing some one who killed hundreds of people, made hundreds of children into drug slaves and destroyed thousands of lives to justice

but instead everyone jumped on a huge hater band wagon mostly for small, petty, illegitimate reasons or even down right lies, its true that there are some legitimate reasons to disagree with invisible children but only 1% of hater's ive seen use them and these people couldn't disagree quietly no they went about trying to destroy all of invisible children's support with the same energy and determination were if the same energy and determination were used to support kony 2012 this guy would probably have been bought to justice by now but instead they destroyed the life work of a guy who was trying to do something good and could have succeeded, and destroyed it to such a degree he got high on drugs and ran round the street naked and now people are dancing on his corpse, i hope your happy haters you win congratulations i hope your really proud of yourself and the worst part is that all this grew from an opportunity to do something good.

dont bother commenting trying to excuse your behavior or explain to me why destroying this guys life was the correct thing to do because it wasnt and under no circumstance would destroying this guys life be acceptable when all he was trying to do was bring an evil person to justice and you destroyed him for it

if you hated in invisible children you should be fucking ashamed of yourself

He stopped the majority of his actions in 2004. If you wanna do something good try to make STOP Bashar al-Assad 2012. Im sure a lot more people would follow that, and guess what, you dont even need a movement. Several western journalists have 'died' down there trying to get footage. Im not gonna waste my breath trying to catch an 8 year old inactive terrorist. Not even by 'liking' it on facebook as thats apparently a valid way of contributing. No.

This guy is actively 'shelling' artillery bombarding. Children, no his not drafting them into military service, his 'waging war on them'. Honestly, I think thats worse. And thats something going on now, not something going on eight years ago.

Wait, wasn't the whole "Kony 2012" thing already debunct when it came out that they were using like decade old footage? This guy doesn't have an "army" anymore, it's like him and 200 guys who REALLY wish they had political power. Not only that, but Ugandans fucking HATE the Kony 2012 movement, when they screened it there, the people threw rocks at the screen. The Kony 2012 movement was a ploy by the people who started it to get their hands on "relief" money.

I'm not saying this DIDN'T happen, but it hasn't been as issue for over 10 years. The people who were actually THERE and affected by it have moved on. Time for you to do the same.

the ugandans may not hate kony but i do

in all seriousness going after kony was no were near the best thing you could do to help the situation in uganda but i saw it as a relief that anyone was successfully doing anything and i thought that this could be a vital step in getting people interested in helping uganda and might lead to some more effective aid and preferably some government or another gets involved to really sort things out
"every great journey starts with a single step" sun tzu

in regards to it being corrupt they definitely are not that as they have been turning away donations and even asked people to stop sending in donations over CNN

What they hate is privileged American kids feining interest in something they know nothing about and hasn't been an issue since they were in fucking short pants. Also, don't quote things out of context. Makes you look really stupid.

Also, what this guy said. A nineyearold video was released about a guy who stopped his actions eight years ago. And young kids all over the world were too quickly to not look up facts and just think 'omg thats such a cool video' *Like/Share* And suddenly it was everywhere.

 

[Jitters Caffeine]

Wait, wasn't the whole "Kony 2012" thing already debunct when it came out that they were using like decade old footage? This guy doesn't have an "army" anymore, it's like him and 200 guys who REALLY wish they had political power. Not only that, but Ugandans fucking HATE the Kony 2012 movement, when they screened it there, the people threw rocks at the screen. The Kony 2012 movement was a ploy by the people who started it to get their hands on "relief" money.

I'm not saying this DIDN'T happen, but it hasn't been as issue for over 10 years. The people who were actually THERE and affected by it have moved on. Time for you to do the same.

the ugandans may not hate kony but i do

in all seriousness going after kony was no were near the best thing you could do to help the situation in uganda but i saw it as a relief that anyone was successfully doing anything and i thought that this could be a vital step in getting people interested in helping uganda and might lead to some more effective aid and preferably some government or another gets involved to really sort things out
"every great journey starts with a single step" sun tzu

in regards to it being corrupt they definitely are not that as they have been turning away donations and even asked people to stop sending in donations over CNN

What they hate is privileged American kids feining interest in something they know nothing about and hasn't been an issue since they were in fucking short pants. Also, don't quote things out of context. Makes you look really stupid.

Well, wrong and right don't really exist.

Don't be so goddamn obnoxious

 

[Wintermoot]

I hate it because it,s lying to yourself.
Just changing your FB status isn't doing anything yet people think they are the big damn hero.

 

[ZippyPizzahead]

What they hate is privileged American kids feining interest in something they know nothing about and hasn't been an issue since they were in fucking short pants. Also, don't quote things out of context. Makes you look really stupid.

My main problem. I don't dislike the campaign itself, just the people who see everyone else posting this crap, deciding to follow the crowd, and then forgetting about it the next day.

I find two links relevant here.
http://i.qkme.me/36h9t3.jpg
http://www.google.com/trends/?q=Kony&ctab=0&geo=all&date=mtd&sort=0

 

[Arakasi]

Reasons why I don't care:
1. Worse shit has happened.
2. This is been and gone.
3. It's become an internet fad.
4. Worse warlords have been and gone and never been heard of by Western media, and yet this one is special? Nope.

 

[Snotnarok]

I think most people were 'hating on' it because it was just being slapped around on facebook/twitter asking for likes to raise awareness. Which is stupid and childish to think posting and liking a status will stop someone from being evil, and the guy was doing it for YEARS before this. Raising awareness isn't going to stop someone from doing bad things, a bullet in the head would though.

 

[Zelcor]

I believe in a very simple rule one I hope spreads far and wide.

IF something is so popular that facebook starts "sorting" peoples posts based on the subject ie. "Person A and 6 other friends posted about insert subject here" I instantly stop giving a fuck about it.

Kony 2012 was just giving people the illusion that they were making a difference. "You mean I don't have to donate any of my money and I can help all the while sitting at my computer in my living room? Well I'm absolutely amazing for doing this I feel soooo much better about myself" This was the basic dark inner thought about all the Kony 2012'ers. Kudos for people trying to do good I suppose but this whole thing was just poorly executed