It might. But it's nothing something I'd be willing to do or endorse. I was pretty badly bullied during my school life and perhaps due to that ended up in hospital after a suicide attempt. Knowing what the child would more than likely go through is just not something I could get behind. No matter how I personally feel on the issue.Baradiel said:Its a vicious circle. Society will only change if it's forced to. Some people will have to suffer the prejudice if society is going to accept them. Its a terrible thing, but change requires suffering. Otherwise nothing changes.
You don't say... *engage flirting mode*Broken Boy said:Well what I said was ( I was married ). But not anymore just throwing that out there...
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It is a sad and vicious circle, change will always require suffering, but those that have to endure the suffering will never want others to have to go through it.I know I certainly wouldn't want to put people through the crap I had to deal with.Snowy Rainbow said:It might. But it's nothing something I'd be willing to do or endorse. I was pretty badly bullied during my school life and perhaps due to that ended up in hospital after a suicide attempt. Knowing what the child would more than likely go through is just not something I could get behind. No matter how I personally feel on the issue.Baradiel said:Its a vicious circle. Society will only change if it's forced to. Some people will have to suffer the prejudice if society is going to accept them. Its a terrible thing, but change requires suffering. Otherwise nothing changes.
You stated that they're outdated and need to be exiled from public consciousness in the same sentence as stating they have been useful in previous evolution. That's not a statement about personal preference... that's a statement claiming they are irrelevant and need to be abolished due to evolutionary irrelevance.Snowy Rainbow said:I was stating that I personally dislike them and find them useless in my life. I don't know where Man's evolution will take us so I wouldn't comment on that.DracoSuave said:cause androgyny is so sexy unless, of course, you are not attracted to androgynous people in which case femininity/masculinity aka gender characteristics are hot.Snowy Rainbow said:I've never liked gender roles. They helped us (humans) evolve and fight our way to the top of the food-chain, but in today's modern society they are completely outdated and need to be exiled from public consciousness.
Your fallacy is assuming that we've stopped evolving as a species. This is not true. One cannot intellegently decide gender roles are irrelevant. Only natural selection can. If it still exists, there's generally a reason.
Oh I'm not endorsing it!!! I wouldn't wish that level of persecution on anybody!Snowy Rainbow said:It might. But it's nothing something I'd be willing to do or endorse. I was pretty badly bullied during my school life and perhaps due to that ended up in hospital after a suicide attempt. Knowing what the child would more than likely go through is just not something I could get behind. No matter how I personally feel on the issue.Baradiel said:Its a vicious circle. Society will only change if it's forced to. Some people will have to suffer the prejudice if society is going to accept them. Its a terrible thing, but change requires suffering. Otherwise nothing changes.
The fact that it's a child who cannot make that choice themselves pushes it over the line for me. I just couldn't do it. No matter how much could be gained, knowing what society could do to them... No way. Not me.AnkaraTheFallen said:It is a sad and vicious circle, change will always require suffering, but those that have to endure the suffering will never want others to have to go through it.I know I certainly wouldn't want to put people through the crap I had to deal with.Snowy Rainbow said:It might. But it's nothing something I'd be willing to do or endorse. I was pretty badly bullied during my school life and perhaps due to that ended up in hospital after a suicide attempt. Knowing what the child would more than likely go through is just not something I could get behind. No matter how I personally feel on the issue.Baradiel said:Its a vicious circle. Society will only change if it's forced to. Some people will have to suffer the prejudice if society is going to accept them. Its a terrible thing, but change requires suffering. Otherwise nothing changes.
Exactly. In my opinion they are worthless and need to go. I could be objectively wrong, but personally I feel that way.DracoSuave said:You stated that they're outdated and need to be exiled from public consciousness in the same sentence as stating they have been useful in previous evolution. That's not a statement about personal preference... that's a statement claiming they are irrelevant and need to be abolished due to evolutionary irrelevance.Snowy Rainbow said:I was stating that I personally dislike them and find them useless in my life. I don't know where Man's evolution will take us so I wouldn't comment on that.DracoSuave said:cause androgyny is so sexy unless, of course, you are not attracted to androgynous people in which case femininity/masculinity aka gender characteristics are hot.Snowy Rainbow said:I've never liked gender roles. They helped us (humans) evolve and fight our way to the top of the food-chain, but in today's modern society they are completely outdated and need to be exiled from public consciousness.
Your fallacy is assuming that we've stopped evolving as a species. This is not true. One cannot intellegently decide gender roles are irrelevant. Only natural selection can. If it still exists, there's generally a reason.
Unless you meant something completely different, in which case, that's probably what you should have typed instead. I rebutted to what you actually wrote.
[sub]Oh, god yes[/sub] I mean, No! Ofcourse not!Snowy Rainbow said:You don't say... *engage flirting mode*Broken Boy said:Well what I said was ( I was married ). But not anymore just throwing that out there...
[sup]I'm such a nerd...[/sup]
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Is that supposed to make you seem like less of a jackass?Angry Camel said:Raised as a Christian, I believe in love the sinner, hate the sin. Hope that clarifies, I'm kinda used to people seeing me as a bit strange.
Oh, I see where you're coming from.Baradiel said:Oh I'm not endorsing it!!! I wouldn't wish that level of persecution on anybody!Snowy Rainbow said:It might. But it's nothing something I'd be willing to do or endorse. I was pretty badly bullied during my school life and perhaps due to that ended up in hospital after a suicide attempt. Knowing what the child would more than likely go through is just not something I could get behind. No matter how I personally feel on the issue.Baradiel said:Its a vicious circle. Society will only change if it's forced to. Some people will have to suffer the prejudice if society is going to accept them. Its a terrible thing, but change requires suffering. Otherwise nothing changes.
Thats the problem, though. Someone would have to make that choice; 'correct' the abnormality, or leave it, letting the child suffer prejudice for the betterment of the human race and society.
I know I couldn't make that choice.
Glad you liked it and got a laughMelasZepheos said:I'm going to be honest, anyone who can't tell the real meaning of that video is an idiot. I acknowledge that text can be misleading, and some people have trouble reading tone, but if you are unable to see the point behind saying 'gay marriage will encourage other people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall,' is just stupid.
And if you can't be bothered to watch the video, even if it might be an honest one, then why exactly are you debating on the subject anyway? A debate requires two sides, and if you aren't going to listen to the other side then you aren't debating, you're just shouting loudly.
I did like the video, I thought it was a nice parody of people who actually mean it when they say this. And although it started slow by the end it had me laughing.
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Crushing Initiated!Snowy Rainbow said:You don't say... *engage flirting mode*Broken Boy said:Well what I said was ( I was married ). But not anymore just throwing that out there...
[sup]I'm such a nerd...[/sup]
I think so... ; PSnowy Rainbow said:You jealous?Baradiel said:^ Something might happen here![]()
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Awww, there's plenty of love to go around. *hug*Geo Da Sponge said:I know I am... ¬_¬Snowy Rainbow said:You jealous?Baradiel said:^ Something might happen here![]()
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I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic school, my whole family are strong believers, to the point of always commenting on how wrong homosexuality is when they see any signs of it. And I had that drilled into me for my whole life to the point that I actually thought they were right. Then about two years ago, I found out I was gay and fell into a spiral of self hating about it because I still thought they were right. I even went to see a counsiler to 'fix' myself.Snowy Rainbow said:The fact that it's a child who cannot make that choice themselves pushes it over the line for me. I just couldn't do it. No matter how much could be gained, knowing what society could do to them... No way. Not me.
Could I ask what it is you went through?
That's not what you said. You said they are outdated and need to be abolished. That's not a 'personal feeling.' That's a very broad opinion and goes a little beyond personal feeling and instead dewcribes a wish to apply your own modality of gender roles to the greater society.Snowy Rainbow said:]Exactly. In my opinion they are worthless and need to go. I could be objectively wrong, but personally I feel that way.