Why i hate fallout 3.

[Clirck]

I have to agree most parts ESPECIALLY the 50's theme. I just fucking hate the 50's theme with all that crap music and stuff.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

I have to agree most parts ESPECIALLY the 50's theme. I just fucking hate the 50's theme with all that crap music and stuff.

...Then what were you doing playing Fallout 3?

 

[FrossetMareritt]

I agree that Bethesda seriously dropped the ball, but I don't hate Fallout 3; however, (for mainly for the OP) this thread is more or less along the lines of "I hate the new Dr. Who, even though I never watched the old ones because [insert a few reasons the series sucks without a full understanding of the entire series]."

F3 is more a matter of taste than anything. Yes, there are quite a few things I wish they would have done better, mainly not expect the player to clean their HDD cache every time they want to play or (my personal favorite) punishing the player for playing the game (i.e. if you don't pickpocket the merchants and their bodyguards to give them the best armor and weapons available - which (amongst a few other things) requires you to focus quite a few points into Sneak so you're not spending more time reloading the game because you keep getting caught trying to help them - they'll start to die off when you really start needing them... and yes they haven't fixed that yet).

 

[PauL o_O]

Strange, I'm too tired to argue, but I loved the game.

 

[sgtshock]

4. I CANT JOIN THE BAD GUYS!!!! I completely agreed with what the enclave was doing, screw the irradiated and save what's left of the world. But you can't join them, what's up with that?!?!
Oblivion had so many factions to join, you could really play how you wanted to. That brings me to 5.

Here's a mod you might like: http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=1410
It lets you play as an Enclave Commander. I'm not sure if it actually affects the storyline, but it's better than nothing.


Also, if that isn't enough for you, you can join the slavers, and that is pretty evil.

 

[Adeptus_Astartes]

Responding to points 1, 2 and 4.

1. It was the radiation that made the supermutants what they are, it was a virus or something like that which pretty much made them huge and took away their brainpower kind of like a weird ork from warhammer 40k type thing, and in my oppinion most of the other mutated things, ghouls, yao guai or however you spell it, and deathclaws were done nicely.

2. I can understand the dislike of the retrofutureism, though i personally like the differences it brings into the game. The reason its supposed to be like that is because society and most of its values didnt change much in the fallout universe thingy after WWII.

4.Well in oblivion could you join the black hand and unleash Mehrunes Dagon or whatever on the empire? In fallout you may not be able join the enclave which im guessing is probably cause they killed your dad. But you can do something at the end of the game.
(Personally i think it would be pretty cool if they did put in some ironsights and you could join the enclave but w/e)

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

I agree that Bethesda seriously dropped the ball, but I don't hate Fallout 3; however, (for mainly for the OP) this thread is more or less along the lines of "I hate the new Dr. Who, even though I never watched the old ones because [insert a few reasons the series sucks without a full understanding of the entire series]."

F3 is more a matter of taste than anything. Yes, there are quite a few things I wish they would have done better, mainly not expect the player to clean their HDD cache every time they want to play or (my personal favorite) punishing the player for playing the game (i.e. if you don't pickpocket the merchants and their bodyguards to give them the best armor and weapons available - which (amongst a few other things) requires you to focus quite a few points into Sneak so you're not spending more time reloading the game because you keep getting caught trying to help them - they'll start to die off when you really start needing them... and yes they haven't fixed that yet).

I... don't think you're intended to reverse pickpocket the merchants and guards...

That's falls into exploit territory.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

1. It was the radiation that made the supermutants what they are, it was a virus or something like that which pretty much made them huge and took away their brainpower kind of like a weird ork from warhammer 40k type thing, and in my oppinion most of the other mutated things, ghouls, yao guai or however you spell it, and deathclaws were done nicely.

The Forced Evolutionary Virus (FEV). It's also what's responsible for every mutated creature in the game, including the ghouls. (Although the FEV not used by Fallout's big bad itself was mutated by the radiation of the wasteland. Go figure.) Radiation damage actually reduces the effectiveness of "dipping." That's why the big bad from Fallout was trying to gain access to the vaults... because the vaults contained uncontaminated humans that would become intelligent super mutants, like the Lieutenant.

 

[FrossetMareritt]

2. That's the point of the series. It's the future, as imagined in the 1950s. Everything looks Jetsons-meets-Lost-in-Space for a reason. At least it's different from every other futuristic, everything's made of dark colored plastic, aesthetic of "realistic" futuristic games. Those games will look really dated and stupid in 200 years. Fallout 3 will just be recognized for it's wonderful aesthetic choice.

Yes, F3 is very much what the 50's thought the future would actually look like; if you don't understand the setting, watch some old B&W videos of 'this is what the future will look like' (like they really did think that we would only have to work 2 hours a week at the turn of the millennium)

I agree that Bethesda seriously dropped the ball, but I don't hate Fallout 3; however, (for mainly for the OP) this thread is more or less along the lines of "I hate the new Dr. Who, even though I never watched the old ones because [insert a few reasons the series sucks without a full understanding of the entire series]."

F3 is more a matter of taste than anything. Yes, there are quite a few things I wish they would have done better, mainly not expect the player to clean their HDD cache every time they want to play or (my personal favorite) punishing the player for playing the game (i.e. if you don't pickpocket the merchants and their bodyguards to give them the best armor and weapons available - which (amongst a few other things) requires you to focus quite a few points into Sneak so you're not spending more time reloading the game because you keep getting caught trying to help them - they'll start to die off when you really start needing them... and yes they haven't fixed that yet).

I... don't think you're intended to reverse pickpocket the merchants and guards...

That's falls into exploit territory.

No, I think it falls into Bethesda rushing this game out without ever taking the time to play it (and I mean that everyone on their team should have played it) then we wouldn't see as many glitches and bugs as we do right now. What they should have done is place about 5-7 highly armored and armed bodyguards around the merchant, but most of Bethesda didn't play F1 or F2 so they wouldn't know... that and the caravans were random not fixed.

 

[Kuhkren]

So, right, let me get this straight: You've never played the originals, correct? Then your view is invalid, and you're not entitled to complain about the game, unlike myself, who has played Fallout 1 and 2 in depth, and therefore has the entitlement to complain about the third game in the series.

Until you've played the originals, you really haven't got much of a clue about where Bethesda went wrong (and indeed, where it got things right). I hereby rescind the validity of your rant against the series until you've played 1 and 2, and realised exactly why they're retrofuturistic, and where the Brotherhood of Steel actually came from.

He is simply offering an opinion based upon his own experiences with the game and Oblivion. His viewpoint is of a new person to the series, and it is how he sees the game. To call his opinion as invalid because it goes against your ideals doesn't sound very tolerant. His opinion is just as valid as yours, because it is what he believes and experienced.

 

[lleihsad]

I'm a little confused that you labeled one of your complaints as a personal problem when that's what they all are. If all of your problems with the game are based on taste, the game's just not for you. Denouncing it's aesthetic and setting choices (which they can't drop and still make it a Fallout game) online isn't going to do anything but start an argument, so I'm just going to assume that's exactly what you want to do and respond in kind: you have poor taste, and should stick to less classy games. Like Killzone. *Thbbbbbbbt*

 

[Pezzer]

So basically all you care about is the story/environment and you don't give a **** about the gameplay or the hilarity of Fallout 3.

Oh Dear...

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

So, right, let me get this straight: You've never played the originals, correct? Then your view is invalid, and you're not entitled to complain about the game, unlike myself, who has played Fallout 1 and 2 in depth, and therefore has the entitlement to complain about the third game in the series.

Until you've played the originals, you really haven't got much of a clue about where Bethesda went wrong (and indeed, where it got things right). I hereby rescind the validity of your rant against the series until you've played 1 and 2, and realised exactly why they're retrofuturistic, and where the Brotherhood of Steel actually came from.

He is simply offering an opinion based upon his own experiences with the game and Oblivion. His viewpoint is of a new person to the series, and it is how he sees the game. To call his opinion as invalid because it goes against your ideals doesn't sound very tolerant. His opinion is just as valid as yours, because it is what he believes and experienced.

Not really. It's more like thinking Shakespeare is bad because all the characters are speaking Shakespearian [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iambic_pentameter].

"I don't like Shakespeare. It's stupid. Why did people talk like that? It's written in, like, old English."

"No. It's not. You're just an idiot."

I'm not saying you have to like the game, but if you clearly don't get a design choice that doesn't mean it's bad.

So basically all you care about is the story/environment and you don't give a **** about the gameplay or the hilarity of Fallout 3.

Oh Dear...

Actually, the story/environment is the reason why I'm willing to forgive Fallout's gameplay quirks. (Admittedly, the action-RPG "soggy cardboard combat" is not nearly as bad as it was in VTMB. Interestingly enough, that game can be seen as a distant cousin to the Fallout franchise, as it was developed by Troika games. Troika was founded by the people in charge of Fallout. Anyway, the influence shows.)

 

[VitalSigns]

Fallout 3 is the best game I have ever played. Story, Dark Humor, weapon variety, re-playability. I have put 60 hours total into my 2 characters and haven't been bored during a second of it.

NOTE*** the futuristic representation of the 1950's is amazing! If you didn't like that your crazy!

 

[jimduckie]

the level cap , the karma thing ,were bullshit , the hacking and lock pick were unnecessary and no automatic repair of weapons and outfits was sad

 

[Clashero]

So, right, let me get this straight: You've never played the originals, correct? Then your view is invalid, and you're not entitled to complain about the game, unlike myself, who has played Fallout 1 and 2 in depth, and therefore has the entitlement to complain about the third game in the series.

Until you've played the originals, you really haven't got much of a clue about where Bethesda went wrong (and indeed, where it got things right). I hereby rescind the validity of your rant against the series until you've played 1 and 2, and realised exactly why they're retrofuturistic, and where the Brotherhood of Steel actually came from.

This precisely. If the game had just been called, I dunno, Postapocalypse, I would have enjoyed it more. But every time I paused the game reminded me that it was called FALLOUT. So I kept thinking about all the things it did wrong.

Also, OP: Stop comparing Fallout 3 and Oblivion. Fallout 3 should be compared to Fallout 1 and 2.

 

[uncle-ellis]

4. I CANT JOIN THE BAD GUYS!!!! I completely agreed with what the enclave was doing, screw the irradiated and save what's left of the world. But you can't join them, what's up with that?!?!
Oblivion had so many factions to join, you could really play how you wanted to. That brings me to 5.

I agree with the whole faction thing but you sound kinda like a Nazi.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

So, right, let me get this straight: You've never played the originals, correct? Then your view is invalid, and you're not entitled to complain about the game, unlike myself, who has played Fallout 1 and 2 in depth, and therefore has the entitlement to complain about the third game in the series.

Until you've played the originals, you really haven't got much of a clue about where Bethesda went wrong (and indeed, where it got things right). I hereby rescind the validity of your rant against the series until you've played 1 and 2, and realised exactly why they're retrofuturistic, and where the Brotherhood of Steel actually came from.

This precisely. If the game had just been called, I dunno, Postapocalypse, I would have enjoyed it more. But every time I paused the game reminded me that it was called FALLOUT. So I kept thinking about all the things it did wrong.

Also, OP: Stop comparing Fallout 3 and Oblivion. Fallout 3 should be compared to Fallout 1 and 2.

What did Fallout 3 do wrong? Aside from not being Van Buren?

 

[OwenEdwards]

I'm not even going to read the thread beyond the original post, because anyone who seriously acts as if they think (albeit mutant) genocide's a pretty sweet idea needs prison rape and a Glasgow smile.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

Well I love Fallout but Oblivion is definatly more pollished.