Why i hate fallout 3.

[A random person]

Just have to say I loved the retrofuturism, and that is a big part of the series.

I like the game, except for one thing: it has game-breaking bugs. The game just starts stuttering, I see my desktop with screwed up colors briefly after the game crashes, my screen goes black and my computer is completely unresponsive. It has to be shut down manually. Also from what I heard, the expansions also seem to be buggy, at least at first.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

What did Fallout 3 do wrong? Aside from not being Van Buren?

Mostly it had to do with some inconsistencies in the setting and the lack of freedom compared to previous titles.

I haven't run into those problems. What's changed?

The most significant choice in Fallout 3, apart from the ending, was whether or not to destroy Megaton. Despite that, it made very little difference on the rest of the game world. Comparing this to similar choices in Fallout and Fallout 2 in what would end up being only moderately significant, it's a big step down.

In terms of lack of freedom, in Fallout, you could complete the game in thirty minutes flat if you wanted to, yet, you could also play it for more than a hundred hours in a single playthrough. In that game, you could kill almost every single entity in the game (bar only one), yet you could also play the entire game without firing a shot.

I'm pretty sure there's a way to play the pacifist game in Fallout 3. Though wasn't it impossible to play through Fallout 2 without killing the tacked-on boss?

Here's a Gamespot thread about it, that I just dug up. http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/fallout3/show_msgs.php?topic_id=m-1-44817398&pid=918428&page=1

 

[Knonsense]

Lets be clear, I don't like Fallout 3. Where ever it fell out of, it wasn't a nice place. But allow to express my reasons:

*note: I am completely unfamiliar with other Fallout games.

1. I am a massive Oblivion fan (insanely modded of course), but I still played vanilla oblivion and enjoyed it immensely. As such I was optimistic for fallout 3. In comparison to Oblivion, Fallout 3 has worse environments, less immersive scenery and what I call 'ridiculous' wildlife. I mean, somehow I expected it to be more realistic. Super mutants look absurd and speak ridiculously. There are crab things and giants. I thought hundreds of years of radiation would have made things look, well, more deadspacey. Not make them stronger.

2. Retrofuturism: This is purely personal taste but the I can't stand the 1950s theme of the game. I mean, I understood it, I figured the bombs fell in the 1950s. But when I was informed the bombs sometime in our future in made no sense whatsoever. I just don't get the 1950's theme when culture developed way more past the 50s.

5. Ok, seriously, who thinks that the 'Brotherhood of Steel' is a cool name? It sucks. Its an awful name for the people you have to join. It reminds me of the homosexual steel mill workers from 'The Simpsons'.

6. This is a pet hate but; in any game with guns: THERE SHOULD BE IRONSIGHTS!!!!! I get so annoyed when I right click to raise the gun to my eye level and it doesn't happen. That is such a big immersion killer for me. I know its not an FPS..... but still, it drives me insane. Any good game with guns has sights of some kind. And snipers don't count, I need that ability for all weapons except the obvious ones (big ones). EH!

7. I couldn't get immersed in the story because I had discovered within 2 hours of the game that its setting was so ridiculous that I just didn't care. Sure I was mildly impressed with the tutorial and saw some realism ( I think) in the poorly named RAD ROACHES but when you get outside...the guns have no sights and the environment is insanely dull.
Yes I blew up megaton, and thought it was boring. Then I killed everyone in that tower because I didn't care. The story just didn't pull me in, it may have worked wonders for you, but for me it was all too far fetched.

This all seems to fall under the category of realism whoring. And almost all of it falls under the category of "I don't like the theme. I wanted a realistic post apocalyptic experience."

I can't imagine much more boring than a realistic post apocalyptic experience. I mean, did you want nothing to be outside the vault? "Oh look! It's a rock! You don't see those very often." That wouldn't be immersive. Realism does not equal fun or immersion.

3. The voice acting is worse than oblivions, and that's saying something.

Well, this is completely subjective, so I can't offer anything other than that I disagree.

4. I CANT JOIN THE BAD GUYS!!!! I completely agreed with what the enclave was doing, screw the irradiated and save what's left of the world. But you can't join them, what's up with that?!?!
Oblivion had so many factions to join, you could really play how you wanted to. That brings me to 5.

I don't really think that Oblivion handled factions very well compared to Morrowind. The lack of rivalry between factions or exclusivity between factions was meh. But that's beside the point.

Spoiler

According to the Fallout 3 FAQ at the Vault, all of the following factions are joinable.

Brotherhood Outcasts, the Enclave and the super mutant army, other factions include Slavers at Paradise Falls, Talon Company mercenaries, Reilly's Rangers, the residents of Tenpenny Towers and The Family (vampire family).

And besides which you couldn't actually join the super evil group in Oblivion and do anything useful with them.

 

[JimmieDean]

I'm old enough to remember the impact the first Fallout game made. I loved that game so much and I remember very fondly slamming Fallout 2 into my disc drive and kissing my summer holiday good bye. I literally couldnt get enough of the games. I downloaded the Fallout pen and paper role playing game, I even sat through the god awful ps2 game to the end just out of principle and I for one, still have Tactics installed on my laptop and really love that game too.

Which is why i find it so hard to understand why i really, really, dislike Fallout 3.

Im not a fanboy in that sense that no matter what, i was going to be disillusioned with the game. I rate Bethesda so highly and really think that, cosmetically at least, they have done a great job bringing Fallout into glorious HD 3D. The game looks great.

But, its just lacking something. Hell, to be frank, I found it a bit boring. After about thirty minutes I realised I honestly didnt care about the story, the people, or anything to do with the whole game. There was no sense of wonder. It took me about twenty minutes to find and kill my first super mutant, and I was armed with some crappy rifle.

In the old games, the first time you happened across Super Mutants you'd panic, and hide, even if you were equipped with a mini gun, you'd think twice about taking them on. In this version, I didnt fear them or anything, really. Even the final scenes with the Enclave were just an excercise in button clicking. I mean, c'mon, faced with the president finally I managed to talk him into suicide in about two minutes. Wheres the challenge or the sense of scale in that? It seemed less of a game rather than an excercise in walking from A to B via subways tunnels C,D,E (etc) and ticking off another required element of a Fallout game. Mutants, tick. Ghouls, tick. Brotherhood of Steel, tick. Enclave, tick. So on and so forth.


Who knows, maybe I am a massive fanboy afterall and how much I loved the previous games has tainted my enjoyment of this one. But, regardless, I do feel Fallout 3 is massively overrated and doesnt deserve the constant praise its got from most circles.

You aren't just a fanboy. You're right. Fallout 3 is a bland version of a Fallout game. Yea it was beautiful looking and great to see the fallout world in 3d but it just doesn't compare to the original 2. The story isn't as indepth. The characters you meet are not as interesting or funny. The quests are not as creative.. the black humor was dulled down so much it was sad. And like you said.. the fear was gone. I killed a radscorpion with a pistol?! What! Running into a super mutant in the originals was like "damn I better get out the biggest baddest weapon I have" and you were still scared to take em on. In Fallout 3 I ran around beating them up with melee weapons.. come on!

In general the problem is you can compare Fallout 3 to Oblivion.. you shouldn't be able to. If it were a true Fallout game you wouldn't.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

I wasn't scared to take on the Super Mutants in the original Fallout AND I put all my points into to charisma, luck, and perception. Yeah. I'd take on Super Mutants, while peeing myself, with a barely qualified combatant. AND, when I was playing, I didn't know rifles counted as small guns, so I was using the crappy hand gun. (On top of that, I also had the Jinxed trait.)

Needless to say, I used a lot of groin and eye shots.

Why'd they take that out of the game?

 

[hem dazon 90]

the only problem with fallout is the limited sidequests

which they fixed

 

[Zydrate]

Post lost all credibility when it was asking realism from a game set in 2277.

Point #2 said bombs dropped in the 1950's. Did you even PLAY the game? They dropped in 2077.
#7: It's supposed to be outrageous. It's two-hundred years AFTER bombs. Obviously things aren't going to be like Call of Duty.

 

[Roamin11]

See your biggest problem here is that you don't like the very very VERY original universe it created, not saying that oblivion didn't have a original universe but it was a somewhat stereotypical fantasy RPG, and so on and so forth.

And as for your ?you can't play the bad guys?, you don't really play with anyone hence your name the lone wanderer.

 

[xxnightlawxx]

6 4 and 2 are perfect reason to hate it

 

[JimmieDean]

I wasn't scared to take on the Super Mutants in the original Fallout AND I put all my points into to charisma, luck, and perception. Yeah. I'd take on Super Mutants, while peeing myself, with a barely qualified combatant. AND, when I was playing, I didn't know rifles counted as small guns, so I was using the crappy hand gun. (On top of that, I also had the Jinxed trait.)

Needless to say, I used a lot of groin and eye shots.

Why'd they take that out of the game?

Like I said they dulled down the black humor.. in combat but mostly in dialogue. Its just not a good Fallout game. I played through it, took it off my computer, and reinstalled Fallout 1,2. Ill stick to those.. they might not have "awesome" graphics but who gives a shit they're incredible games.. and I will laugh my ass off everytime I play.

 

[open trap]

why do people bother to make hate threads. they are pointless and a waste of time

 

[megapenguinx]

4. You can do what the Enclave wants. [spoiler="Near the end of the game]You can put a virus into the purifier to wipe out all mutated life in the wasteland[/spoiler]

6.Left trigger will bring the gun up to eye level.

Also I kind of question why you were playing it on the 360 (I'm assuming it's there since you mentioned a trigger) and not on a PC where you could mod it like you did to Oblivion.

 

['Stache]

It's called suspension of disbelief.
You should try it.

 

[credop]

you have missed ALOT out by not playing 1 and 2. So to put things straight, you dont know what some of the text and voice acting USE to be like. and so what? it doesnt really MAKE a game. The brotherhood of steel is A) Just a name. get over it. and B) has a huge history outreaching into 1 and 2. seriously play 1 and 2 or most of your arguement is seriously irrelevant.

Oblivion FTW, Fallout 3 FT... meh.

 

[Goldeneye103X2]

Well, what do you expect, bethesda made Fallout 3 about two years after Oblivion.

 

[Hamster at Dawn]

You're right, "Brotherhood of Steel" sounds so much like a gay club.

 

[Outamyhead]

From what I know of the console versions through a friend, the game sucks unless you have enough points on the VATS system to kill everyone in a fight, it's damn hopeless trying to aim with the joypad (yet another game proving consoles are crap for FPS shooters).

Now playing the game on a PC that's fun, hadn't played the prequels at all, I think I may have tried the demo of 2 at some point but very briefly.

 

[lucky_bob45]

I could probably rant for an eternity on this subject but most people have touched on many of the points I'd want to make. Fallout and Oblivion really shouldn't be compared, they are two different franchises with two different goals.Oblivion is a classic western fantasy rpg aimed at making a story where the player becomes a fabled legend remembered throughout time.Fallout is an alternate history retro futuristic RPG that aims to pull a player forward on an emotional level.of course there are similarities, they're both made by the same company, so if were going to compare, lets take a trip down memory lane and talk about all the things from Manhunt and The Warriors that wound up in GTA:san andreas, lets compare system shock and bioshock, lets compare X-men Origins Wolverine and God Of War OR alternatively we could admit that most games are pretty similar to all the other games in the same genre (especcially when they're made by the same company) and move on with life.
Whilst Oblivion is the fourth game in its series that fact is kind of obscured in the title, its in the smaller print, the emphasis is on 'Oblivion', it sells itself as a different tale in a different part it a previously constructed world. Fallout 3 is a sequel in every sense of the word, you're expected to know the history of the wasteland and the factions, that's why the number three sits so boldly in the games title.
and lastly, the voice acting in fallout 3 is MARVELOUS compared to oblivion. never in fallout 3 did someones voice change mid conversation, oblivion irritated me constantly with this, one minute i was talking to an old crone who's voice told the tale of hard life the next thing i know she's a noble woman of wealth a refinement. ugh.