Why is America so awesome?

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This really isn't much of a discussion anymore, not that there was much to discuss in the first place. Are we going to repeat this thread in 2 weeks? Yeah. Will it be about another country, say, Switzerland? No, probably not. I'm surprised it's even gone on this long. I really don't get how this can stay open when it's just become half misinformed generalizations and thinly-veiled hate of America.

There is a flaw in the OP, a fatal one at that. You ask why America is awesome. Nobody on here was waving a huge flag in your face and trying to run you over with a tractor. Nobody was shouting on the hilltops how awesome we are. But now, it's turned into most people thinking that's exactly what has happened, as we are now on the 7th page and people probably aren't really going back to the first.

Kill this one before it's too late, I implore, as the integrity of the thread has already died.

*Violins*
 

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being born in england but spent the ages 4-14 (in 16 now) in america id say that, just like everywhere else, it has its awesome qualities and it has alot of negative aspects too. for example things are bigger, staff are more courtious and polite, things are reasonably priced.

however there is a big gang culture, people tend to be close minded about the rest of the world (america isnt the only superpower you know), religious fanatics are abundant. the constitution was a great idea , in theory, but people abuse it now to the point that it is being overlooked in many court cases. and another thing, if something happens people want something to sue.

we use up more natural resources than anywhere else. shit i am litterally terrified of what will happen when we run out of oil, the basic foundatioun of the american household is dependent on oil: electricity, run cars, the list goes on.

and before i make any more enemies im going to stop there and finnish by saying:
i dont think america is awesome, or that it is crap. im just saying that, like most countries, it has its positive and negative aspects. and with banks closing and the economy practically falling apart right now, we are all going to see tough times.
 

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vamp rocks said:
being born in england but spent the ages 4-14 (in 16 now) in america id say that, just like everywhere else, it has its awesome qualities and it has alot of negative aspects too. for example things are bigger, staff are more courtious and polite, things are reasonably priced.
Can you back these up with statistical information? Can you quantify the courteousness of staff? If not, why bring it up?
 

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One of your points I would completely disagree with. From what I know, America's college system is by far one of the most corrupt college systems in the world. It doesn't matter how smart someone is, if they don't have the money to get into the top end universities/colleges then they're not going to. It's a system that basically helps the rich people stay rich.
That's not corrupt, it's called capitalism and it's one of the reasons why America's colleges are the top in the world.

And you are very wrong on another point. Universities grant TONS of scholarships and full rides if you are smart/hardworking enough, so your whole point of "it doesn't matter how smart you are" is complete bullshit. I know you probably want to cry out, "OH THE OLD MAN IS JUST KEEPING THE WORKIN' CLASS DOWN" but that's largely an exaggeration. How hard you work in life is far more important than what school you go to. I know plenty of kids who have graduated from top universities but failed in their jobs because they didn't work hard enough. Likewise, I know of people who attended community colleges (where the costs are much cheaper) and have gone on to great jobs because of how hard they worked.

So I don't want to hear the excuse that it's just a way of keeping the rich in power because it largely isn't. If you are smart enough and you work hard enough, you can succeed in your career even if you can't afford to go to a big university.

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Just another little thing I wanted to ask was whether or not you've watched any rugby? If I'm being honest I've never sat down to watch a game of American football, but from what I've seen it seems fairly similar to rugby, minus all the padding and helmets.
Quick little history lesson on American football for those of you who don't know.

American football has gone through significant changes since it's appearance in the late 1800's. When the first game of American football was played, the only way you could score was by kicking it; holding or passing the ball was not allowed. This is why the game got it's name football. The earliest games of football were almost exclusively played by colleges against one another.

In the beginning, two different types of the game were played: a version of the game that was similar to soccer and a version of the game that was similar to rugby. However, the version of rugby proved to be the most popular version and the soccer version was largely phased out. It was during the late 1800's to the early 1900's that the game expanded and it's rules began to change. The forward pass was added in the early 1900's because large amounts of fatalities in the game began to pile up.

The game of football continued to morph and change while also gaining larger popularity on a nationwide scale. Eventually the game morphed to what it is now. Instead of kicking the ball, as it was originally played, it has morphed into a game of physical contest of moving the ball on the ground and in the air.

So to answer your question: yes, American football has many similarities to modern rugby because American football started as a mix between rugby and soccer.

And for you foreigners who have never sat down to watch a game, you really should some time. It's a fantastic game that features not only physical strength, but also speed, precision, teamwork, and huge amounts of strategy. I'm not joking when I say that it's pretty much the equivalent of chess in the sports world.
Yeah sorry about the college system part. Someone already quoted me on it, explaining pretty much what you said. My American friends at university are just exaggurating me thinks...

Thanks for the info on American football. I would sit down and watch a game sometime but over here in England they never broadcast the sport. Ah well, rugby's still my favourite sport and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon. Another quick question. What are the crowds like at American football games? I mean is it common for there to be trouble?
 

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Can you back these up with statistical information? Can you quantify the courteousness of staff? If not, why bring it up?
ok first of all, its an opnion. seccondly i know that in some places it is bad, but im speaking generally.

and my evidence is:

in the U.S. if you severely do not like your meal or there is some sort of a problem, the staff deal with it in an appropriate manor, i.e. apologising getting the manager, knocking the item off your bill all while in a polite and gracious manor..

however when i was in glasgow, Scotland, (a nice part of glasgow) my drink arrived with not a cube of ice and the drink was warm, so i politely aksed the waitor if it would be possible to get some ice for my drink. the waiter looked at me as if i was an idiot, literally laughed in my face, and walked off. this happened to me on more than one occasion and the waitors/waitresses are always discourtious

that is my OPINION of the matter, and no i cannot back it up with statistics because it is my OPINION. you cannot only use statistics in an argument like this when you are saying how good you "think" a place is.
 

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matrix3509 said:
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That doesn't answer the question. I'll be damned if I work my ass off and then have to give 50% of my hard earned money to some welfare sponging jackass, because he doesn't feel like working.
Laissez Faire is the economic principle of free enterprise. The government takes no action in the operation of businesses or the welfare of it's citizens. It is the most extreme form of capitalism on the social economic scale. Which means no welfare, worker's comp, minimum wage, minimum age for work, FDA or other socialistic ideologies. As for an example, I'll direct you to the industrialization era and third world labor. If you want an actual text, read The Jungle by Upton Sinclair.

Edit: changed political to social
You don't have to quote economic terms to me. I never said Laissez Faire was a good ideology to have. Its an extreme form of economics and extreme forms of anything is not good. Conversely the exact opposite of Laissez Faire isn't good either.

I've already read The Jungle. The first half of it was alright, but the second half was a pathetic attempt at socialist propaganda. And in case anyone has forgotten, everything in the Jungle took place almost 100 years ago. The U.S. has kept almost none of the policies from that time period.

Anyway that point that I was trying to make in my previous post is that the average American (regardless of IQ) thoroughly enjoys their freedom and usually will not give those freedoms up (unless they are astronomically stupid).

Also, the U.S. isn't any better or worse than any other country, and I'm getting tired of all these damn America hating threads. I'm surprised the Mods here don't delete them with the same gusto that they do for anything else that attracts this many trolls.

I will say this though, the U.S.'s time as a superpower is coming to an end. We are trying desperately to hold on to our power, as all superpowers are wont to do.
It's the internet you have to assume people don't know what you're talking about.

The Jungle took place of 102 years ago, but that's just nitpicking. The Jungle was what started a socialistic outlook with government regulations.

The Patriot act has already taken several of those freedoms away, so all Americans (including myself) must be astronomically stupid.
 

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It's the internet you have to assume people don't know what you're talking about.

The Jungle took place of 102 years ago, but that's just nitpicking. The Jungle was what started a socialistic outlook with government regulations.

The Patriot act has already taken several of those freedoms away, so all Americans (including myself) must be astronomically stupid.
Yeah but the Patriot Act is more of a personal privacy issue anyway. Yeah it was a stupid act to pass, and we won't know how many so called terrorists we caught till 20 years from now when the files are declassified.

I think everybody's bitching about it was completely irrelevent anyway, it didn't turn the U.S. into a fascist dictatorship as was predicted. Besides it will most likely be repealed when Obama takes office.

There's not much we can do about it anyway, when we elect senators and the like who don't give a flying damn about the citizens.
 

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Bright_Raven said:
runtheplacered said:
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themselves. they are fat!

americans are multicultural all right. they eat German food, practice French adultery, and all weigh as much as vatican city.
Uhhh.. your country is rated more obese then America. That's a fact. Now, why don't be a good little Australian, sit down, grab a fork, and eat those words. Eat them right up. You little porker.

In all reality, I couldn't care less what country is rated more obese then the other, but your comment was shining with such an illuminating ignorance, that I couldn't help myself but call you out on it.
YEP! aussies are fat... wait. australians are allmolst all overweight, but not Obese. whilst more australians are overweight, a lower percentage is obese. my sister worked at WHO and the US fuges the figures. now, why dont you go back to your McMansion and watch annother reality show about taking advantage of a third world contry whilst eating a ridiculusly big plate of food you got for $2 whilst people in africa starve and you steal their rice?

also, isn't america being charged with crimes against humanity by the UN because of their push to put more ethonol into petrol. it also rose food prices exponetially so the poor contries are literally starveing to death.

and why is america so againt the idea of socialisum? Australia is a Democratic-Repuplic Socialist nation. whilst america is a Democratic-Repumlic-minimalist-socialist. if people are not going to help each other, what is the point of society? socialisum is the idea of people supporting each other through govermental bodies.
Did you not actually read my post? Try reading my second paragraph again, and you'll realize why I stopped reading yours about half way through.

Seriously, it is not that hard to pay attention.
 

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Can I ask a question. Is america the only place with Obese people? Is it the only place with bible thumpers? Is it the only place that has carried out military actions that were unpopular with the rest of the world?

My nation has flaws, I'll admit that. But why is it that everyone seems to think that its all just well and good to make us the whipping post for larger problems. Bush? My understanding is that most every English speaking nation in northern hemisphere was run by some sort of wack-job with no idea what the hell he was doing. Religion in government? Who here can say their government is not unduly influenced by either a single special interest or a small set of them? Military action? Yes its dumb that we got into Iraq but it seems nobody over there understands the level of protest that has gone on about these conflicts for years.

Almost everything I hear from those people bashing America is sadly a stereotype. Yes our government has flaws but whos to say the others don't. We now have a set of leaders that are totally different from the predecessors with a new president on the way, so its obvious we can learn from our mistakes like everyone else. Everything outside of the goverment aspect seems more like the crap you hear Jeremy Clarkson spewing out of his mouth in between insulting various EU nations and talking out of his ass about how little global warming will impact us (Love top gear, think hes amazing on it, I'd probably hit him in person)

America is not so bad. Yes we have some bad points and our nations govenrment is about as screwed up as any other. Its easy to lay blame on us for our transgressions of past and present. Truth is though every nation has done wrong and the people in every nation have those among their numbers who 'make them look bad'. I still think that plenty of things make America awesome, and most of those still involve its people, its places, and the fact that behind all of the muddled globalization and cost cutting and corporate BS we are still a nation with the potential to quickly and masterfully innovate if we set our minds to it.
 

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Bright_Raven said:
runtheplacered said:
Bright_Raven said:
themselves. they are fat!

americans are multicultural all right. they eat German food, practice French adultery, and all weigh as much as vatican city.
Uhhh.. your country is rated more obese then America. That's a fact. Now, why don't be a good little Australian, sit down, grab a fork, and eat those words. Eat them right up. You little porker.

In all reality, I couldn't care less what country is rated more obese then the other, but your comment was shining with such an illuminating ignorance, that I couldn't help myself but call you out on it.
YEP! aussies are fat... wait. australians are allmolst all overweight, but not Obese. whilst more australians are overweight, a lower percentage is obese. my sister worked at WHO and the US fuges the figures. now, why dont you go back to your McMansion and watch annother reality show about taking advantage of a third world contry whilst eating a ridiculusly big plate of food you got for $2 whilst people in africa starve and you steal their rice?

also, isn't america being charged with crimes against humanity by the UN because of their push to put more ethonol into petrol. it also rose food prices exponetially so the poor contries are literally starveing to death.

and why is america so againt the idea of socialisum? Australia is a Democratic-Repuplic Socialist nation. whilst america is a Democratic-Repumlic-minimalist-socialist. if people are not going to help each other, what is the point of society? socialisum is the idea of people supporting each other through govermental bodies.
Thank you for making my case.

And again I will restate we are awesome because the common citizen knows about the fact that the rest of the world uses us as a whipping post so that they can feel better about themselves and vilify us, and we just shrug it off. Its not that we are oblivious to the criticism, the vast majority of us simply try to go on about our lives as best we can and try to call for changes we think will make our nation better without pointing out the flaws in other peoples governments and bursting their bubbles.
 

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Bright_Raven said:
runtheplacered said:
Bright_Raven said:
themselves. they are fat!

americans are multicultural all right. they eat German food, practice French adultery, and all weigh as much as vatican city.
Uhhh.. your country is rated more obese then America. That's a fact. Now, why don't be a good little Australian, sit down, grab a fork, and eat those words. Eat them right up. You little porker.

In all reality, I couldn't care less what country is rated more obese then the other, but your comment was shining with such an illuminating ignorance, that I couldn't help myself but call you out on it.
YEP! aussies are fat... wait. australians are allmolst all overweight, but not Obese. whilst more australians are overweight, a lower percentage is obese. my sister worked at WHO and the US fuges the figures. now, why dont you go back to your McMansion and watch annother reality show about taking advantage of a third world contry whilst eating a ridiculusly big plate of food you got for $2 whilst people in africa starve and you steal their rice?

also, isn't america being charged with crimes against humanity by the UN because of their push to put more ethonol into petrol. it also rose food prices exponetially so the poor contries are literally starveing to death.

and why is america so againt the idea of socialisum? Australia is a Democratic-Repuplic Socialist nation. whilst america is a Democratic-Repumlic-minimalist-socialist. if people are not going to help each other, what is the point of society? socialisum is the idea of people supporting each other through govermental bodies.
OH SNAP!
 

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Bright_Raven said:
YEP! aussies are fat... wait. australians are allmolst all overweight, but not Obese. whilst more australians are overweight, a lower percentage is obese. my sister worked at WHO and the US fuges the figures. now, why dont you go back to your McMansion and watch annother reality show about taking advantage of a third world contry whilst eating a ridiculusly big plate of food you got for $2 whilst people in africa starve and you steal their rice?
Also:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article4171160.ece

If Australia had anywhere near as many people as the U.S. had, the world may very well go off its axis.

Seriously, I go back to my "I don't really care" statement. I just found it highly amusing that an Australian is calling America obese (which we are), and making fun of us (which is hypocritical, because you are too.)