... Because it's incredibly convenient to apply a universal name to something. Otherwise there's margin for confusion.
As others have said, the vast majority of words in a language which refer to an object, idea or action have no relation to the objects that they refer to, beyond the fact that they refer to it. So water is called what it is because we have to refer to it by something, and saying or writing the word "water" is how it evolved to be referred to (in the English language). Words are semantically arbitrary, in other words.YesYesYesandYes said:I have a question for ye Escapist members... Why is water called water? Why is fire called fire?
Do you mean the neurological basis for grammar and language, or the historical basis for it? I'm going to assume you mean the former, but it is quite incredible to read about the scanty progress that has been made.Anarchemitis said:Coincidentally, Scientists have yet to pin down the origin of human Grammar.
As I'm sure you know, syllables are neither the basic unit of meaning in a language (morphemes) nor the basic unit of sound in a language (phonemes). So while syllables obviously evolved over time, it was rarely because of their capacity as syllables.thylasos said:The gradual and complex evolution of the syllables for concrete items into abstract ideas and back, influenced by the evolution of writing systems.
You seem to think this is some unexplained miracle, like "where did we come from?" As romantic as that sounds, I'm afraid it is nothing that grand. This isn't some indefinite, infinite, or even hugely mysterious thing. It's etymology. Language. It helps us communicate, allowing us to work together or communicate an elaborate concept with a degree of clarity.YesYesYesandYes said:I have a question for ye Escapist members... Why is water called water? Why is fire called fire?
I've just been wondering in my crazy little mind why anything is called anything. Doesn't it strike anyone odd we have a meaning for anything?
Yeah, I understand the meaning of the word is usually Latin blah, blah and blah. But -WHY-? Where did the Latins get the word? When did people start calling fire? When did the Latins start calling whatever they called fire?
Has our language gotten a reboot ever? When did we start changing Latin words into other words?
Also, a question to the "English is our second language Escapists."
When you speak/say "Fire" in your native tongue. Does it translate into "fire" to you? Or does your native tongue mean something else? Like... "Fire" could be called "Quatel"
I don't mean "spoken" in your native tongue. What the word "means" in that native tongue.
Certainly. But I used it for intelligibility by non-linguists, which the OP seems to be, and I would suppose the majority of the forum is.Aphroditty said:As I'm sure you know, syllables are neither the basic unit of meaning in a language (morphemes) nor the basic unit of sound in a language (phonemes). So while syllables obviously evolved over time, it was rarely because of their capacity as syllables.
What use is intelligibility, if it intelligibly communicates misinformation?thylasos said:Certainly. But I used it for intelligibility by non-linguist, which the OP seems to be, and I would suppose the majority of the forum is.Aphroditty said:As I'm sure you know, syllables are neither the basic unit of meaning in a language (morphemes) nor the basic unit of sound in a language (phonemes). So while syllables obviously evolved over time, it was rarely because of their capacity as syllables.
Well, I'm trying to get across a basic point, rather than teaching a course in linguistics here, especially to a seemingly obtuse OP.Aphroditty said:What use is intelligibility, if it intelligibly communicates misinformation?thylasos said:Certainly. But I used it for intelligibility by non-linguist, which the OP seems to be, and I would suppose the majority of the forum is.Aphroditty said:As I'm sure you know, syllables are neither the basic unit of meaning in a language (morphemes) nor the basic unit of sound in a language (phonemes). So while syllables obviously evolved over time, it was rarely because of their capacity as syllables.
Fair enough. And cheers!thylasos said:Well, I'm trying to get across a basic point, rather than teaching a course in linguistics here, especially to a seemingly obtuse OP.Aphroditty said:What use is intelligibility, if it intelligibly communicates misinformation?thylasos said:Certainly. But I used it for intelligibility by non-linguist, which the OP seems to be, and I would suppose the majority of the forum is.Aphroditty said:As I'm sure you know, syllables are neither the basic unit of meaning in a language (morphemes) nor the basic unit of sound in a language (phonemes). So while syllables obviously evolved over time, it was rarely because of their capacity as syllables.
I entirely appreciate your point.
The fact I've already had three strong ales may also be a contributing factor.
На здоровье, indeed. And with that, the minor threadjack ends. My apologies.Aphroditty said:Fair enough. And cheers!
I know someone who would.Ladette said:Because the Rock said so, and are you going to argue with him?
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We need language to converse. Originally, words probably just sounded descriptive of their meaning, but as they have changed and become more complicated with time, now we have the words we have.YesYesYesandYes said:I have a question for ye Escapist members... Why is water called water? Why is fire called fire?
I've just been wondering in my crazy little mind why anything is called anything. Doesn't it strike anyone odd we have a meaning for anything?
Yeah, I understand the meaning of the word is usually Latin blah, blah and blah. But -WHY-? Where did the Latins get the word? When did people start calling fire? When did the Latins start calling whatever they called fire?
Has our language gotten a reboot ever? When did we start changing Latin words into other words?
Also, a question to the "English is our second language Escapists."
When you speak/say "Fire" in your native tongue. Does it translate into "fire" to you? Or does your native tongue mean something else? Like... "Fire" could be called "Quatel"
I don't mean "spoken" in your native tongue. What the word "means" in that native tongue.
In Dutch it's Sinaasappel.Distorted Stu said:Why is an Orange called orange?
We may never know.
I've always wondered that. I tried explaining it to a friend but he didn't get what I was saying. After an hour of explaining he finally got it but he said it's not possible because of the light spectrum or something.I.N.producer said:You would probably need a time machine to find out where every name comes from.
Related question, How do we know that the colors we see are the same colors everyone else sees? The color you have been told is orange could be blue to another person's eyes, but both of you would call it orange because that is what you were taught.