Why is Arguing so Detested?

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PurpleRain

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I find arguing a great thing, as long as there's no emotional properties involved. It comes from two opposing sides and pitting them together. If one side is victorious, the other side has learnt something new and gains a new way of thinking. If neither win, at least it has opened the doors to new arguments, new types of thought, and closed the door on failed points.

I enjoy the internet and its many forums for this. One big long argument about anything and everything. Everyone can get involved and talk and banter about whatever they want, and in the process learn. Throughout history we've never had something on this scale. But then, why is it so detested?

When arguing with someone, they take such great offence. In a recent one about bull fighting, the person I was arguing against felt like the argument had grown personal so I decided to leave it. When I declared it, the words, "Oh noes, someone's wrong on the internet," cropped up. But, wha- I want an argument, not attempting to iron out the folk online. I'm not using this post as an attack, but as an example. It comes in too many times when people get frustrated over an argument rather then actually have a civilized one, or people are having a civilized argument and a third party jumps in and shouts "Flame war!". People get offended over spelling errors and when someone critiques a review, whereas I love it when people point out a mistake in my ways. It all goes in to help me to learn and construct a better view of the subject.

There is a difference between, "Xbox is better then the PS3!" then "The Xbox is better then the PS3 because it has a wider variety of games and the fact that its processors can do... blah blah blah."

The first only erupts into that thing I mentioned above, a flame war, while the latter is an argument. Even this is a form of argument I am presenting.

So I guess I just want to see what people understand of arguments in general and how they can help themselves and me in the future when arguing.
 

SilentHunter7

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Arguments are bad. They usually accomplish nothing, and all parties end up pissed off at each other.

Civilized debates, on the other hand...
 

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Glerken said:
I don't know about arguing, but...
Debating is great.
Flaming is bad.
Agreed. In my opinion, having a debate/discussion and having an argument are two ENTIRELY different things.
 

randommaster

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I guess it has to do with the fact that you are wrong.

In all seriousness, it seems like when people "debate" on the internet, they are convinced they are right and try to convince others to come to their way of thinking. This happens so much, that it is assumed to be the goal of any dissenting opinion.
 

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I agree, Purps. Arguments, so long as they don't devolve into flamewars, can be great things, especially if both sides are passionate about what's being argued about.
 

PurpleRain

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Noun
Argument (plural arguments)

1. A fact or statement used to support a proposition; a reason:
2. A verbal dispute; a quarrel.
3. A process of reasoning.
4. (philosophy, logic) A series of statements organized so that the final statement is a conclusion which is intended to follow logically from the preceding statements, which function as premises.

I don't see how this is bad. Arguments have a bad rep, and I'm really wondering why? Why do people get so pissed off. I love it.

I guess people see arguments as this:
A verbal dispute; a quarrel.
rather then how I see it as number 1, 3 and 4.

randommaster said:
I guess it has to do with the fact that you are wrong.

In all seriousness, it seems like when people "debate" on the internet, they are convinced they are right and try to convince others to come to their way of thinking. This happens so much, that it is assumed to be the goal of any dissenting opinion.
But this is it. Of course both sides think they're right. An argument spawns between then both to determine who is. If both parties thought they were wrong or didn't, it wouldn't be an argument and nothing would be gained.
 

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I have nothing against it its fun and allows peopel see other ideas as well build the abilty to present your arguemnts better
 

TaborMallory

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It's basic human nature to be pompous, irrational, arrogant, etc.
There are those who cling to these characteristics and those who do not. The clingers are almost always the ones who flame and troll.
 

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PurpleRain said:
Arguments have a bad rep, and I'm really wondering why? Why do people get so pissed off. I love it.
Arguments are pretty much synonymous with flamewars anymore. I do agree, I like a good debate as much as the next guy, just whenever I think of "argument", I immediately think of flamewars.
 

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MrBrightside919 said:
People don't like being wrong...especially when they believe they are right about something...
This is true. But why can't people agree that they are wrong and learn from it. It leads to a healthy ending where both sides come out superiour feeling and not ashamed.

TaborMallory said:
It's basic human nature to be pompous, irrational, arrogant, etc.
There are those who cling to these characteristics and those who do not. The clingers are almost always the ones who flame and troll.
I actuall rarely see this if ever. I find people are the opposite to irrational and arrogent. But then, on the internet, people tend to act like real dicks most times.
 

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MaxTheReaper said:
PurpleRain said:
...as long as there's no emotional properties involved.
Probably because that is rarely the case.

As far as I know, most people don't argue about something unless it is at least of moderate importance to them.

The other ones are just extremely contrary and vocal jerks (yours truly.)
Ah of course. But I sometimes find it so hard to believe people are so obsessed over something materialistic as a game, that they find themselves hurt deeply and emotionally when people point out faults in it.

I life Half Life, but I can see many many faults in it which people tend to dispise, and it worries me not.
 

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PurpleRain said:
MrBrightside919 said:
People don't like being wrong...especially when they believe they are right about something...
This is true. But why can't people agree that they are wrong and learn from it. It leads to a healthy ending where both sides come out superiour feeling and not ashamed.
People can be incredibly stubborn...they just don't wanna be wrong...
 

PurpleRain

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MrBrightside919 said:
PurpleRain said:
MrBrightside919 said:
People don't like being wrong...especially when they believe they are right about something...
This is true. But why can't people agree that they are wrong and learn from it. It leads to a healthy ending where both sides come out superiour feeling and not ashamed.
People can be incredibly stubborn...they just don't wanna be wrong...
Sadly, it's these people that can't and don't want to learn. Stubborness is not a good trait when it comes to learning.
 

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PurpleRain said:
MrBrightside919 said:
PurpleRain said:
MrBrightside919 said:
People don't like being wrong...especially when they believe they are right about something...
This is true. But why can't people agree that they are wrong and learn from it. It leads to a healthy ending where both sides come out superiour feeling and not ashamed.
People can be incredibly stubborn...they just don't wanna be wrong...
Sadly, it's these people that can't and don't want to learn. Stubborness is not a good trait when it comes to learning.
It's these people who are the ones who will shove their opinions/thoughts down your throat at all costs...

I hate that so much...
 

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Ok, here's my views:



So sure, arguing can be cool, but the determination of some to start a fight destroys any legitimate attempt to discuss the issues at hand.
 

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I have often encountered a view that the point of a discussion is "winning", usually accomplished by either convincing the opponent to assume your point of view, or getting the audience on your side. Obviously, if you assume that this is the case, then you will never want to "lose", and at some point you will run out of arguments - then it devolves into a flamewar.

I believe that the point of a discussion is to get to know the arguments of the opposing side, thus gaining a broader view and better understanding of the subject. Either side changing their opinion is a possible bonus, but unnecessary. Many of my personal beliefs have been strengthened by them being challenged by someone and me looking deeper to find a justification.

Still, the first view seems to prevail, so I always avoid arguments on subjects which can easily become heated (like beliefs and morals), and I tend to back down from any argument where the opponent starts insulting me or arbitrarily declares my arguments to be irrelevant.

So, after all this pointless exposition, why is arguing so detested? Because of its massive potential to turn into a flame war, ESPECIALLY on the Internet. Whenever you find any question on a 'controversial' subject on a forum, at least half of the replies will contain more-or-less subtle insults towards the opposing view. I got tired of this, so now I rarely ever enter a discussion.
 

Saskwach

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I find that most arguments quickly progress to the stage where neither party will back down out of pride or stubbornness. And since I don't see the point in debating when neither side will change their mind (except possibly that there's an audience who might consider both sides without having a horse in the game) I tend to avoid them. This, funnily enough, goes doubly for the internet, where you'd expect anonymity would make admitting a mistake easier.