Why is Neverwinter Night 2, one of the greatest games, shunned by so many gamers of this forum.
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...I fucking loved NWN2.
It has a great story, and is actually pretty expansive when really get into it. However lack of customization and the poorly optimized engine were a major problem.
The specs were so high for something that...let's be honest, was kind of ugly (so was the first one, mind you.) because the engine was pretty terrible after being updated. It's an old engine trying to do new tricks. It's never good for it. So, it doesn't handle things..like, say...LOD change. So things in the distance have exactly the same polygons and texture resolutions as they do up close. It was kind of ridiculous.
I actually didn't have any game breaking bugs, but it seemed to have many to others. Most I've heard of are fixed by reloading a save. There's a lot going on in NWN2 though, so it's reasonable to expect bugs. Especially with such poor performance (You can lag over event triggers.)
Really it's just tweaking settings imo. I loved the game though, almost as much as the first, if you don't count expansions. 1 has much better expansions. 2 has really really terrible expansions, except MoB which is like a nugget of gold.
but....haters gonna hate.
It has a great story, and is actually pretty expansive when really get into it. However lack of customization and the poorly optimized engine were a major problem.
The specs were so high for something that...let's be honest, was kind of ugly (so was the first one, mind you.) because the engine was pretty terrible after being updated. It's an old engine trying to do new tricks. It's never good for it. So, it doesn't handle things..like, say...LOD change. So things in the distance have exactly the same polygons and texture resolutions as they do up close. It was kind of ridiculous.
I actually didn't have any game breaking bugs, but it seemed to have many to others. Most I've heard of are fixed by reloading a save. There's a lot going on in NWN2 though, so it's reasonable to expect bugs. Especially with such poor performance (You can lag over event triggers.)
Really it's just tweaking settings imo. I loved the game though, almost as much as the first, if you don't count expansions. 1 has much better expansions. 2 has really really terrible expansions, except MoB which is like a nugget of gold.
but....haters gonna hate.
Both NWN and NWN2 had shitty, shitty original campaigns.
OTOH, NWN2 has Mask of the Betrayer which is much better than Hordes of Underdark.
OTOH, NWN2 has Mask of the Betrayer which is much better than Hordes of Underdark.
I liked it. It was no Baldur's Gate, but it was ok.
My only real gripe was that it was based on the money-grab edition of D&D.
My only real gripe was that it was based on the money-grab edition of D&D.
I had less fun in the original NeverWinter than in the follow up. I felt less inclined to care about the character I was playing, figured the cast around me was shallow, the quests boring, and the constant reuse of environments grated at me back then because there was nothing making up for them.Saelune said:
... however, I still liked NWN for what it was. I am really having a hard time figuring out why NWN2 was so much worse. It was... slightly different? Is different and worse the same? Hm. According to all the "flak" thrown and Dragon Age 2 that appears to be the case. Which, for the record, I do not agree with and will forever blame on the whiny, immature and utterly disrespectful nature of today's gamer population.
Oh well.
Humans will always shy away from something new. It is in our nature to shun everything outside our comfort zone. Look at me spitting and hissing at Double Agent and Conviction out of the Splinter Cell game series. They left my comfort zone and I will spaz out like any good fangirl to defend the good old Splinter Cell over that new trash. Though I will do it in private, instead of making myriads of posts declaring them the devil, unlike what you see for certain other recently released sequels. Except when I am asked, or try to make a point. Like here. I am only human, after all.
I played Kotor 2 first so my opinion is different to those who played 1 first. After playing Kotor 1 I was annoyed at how you basically spend most of the time visiting worlds that were already featured in 1, swoop racing wasn't improved upon(which is a real shame) and for quite a number of people the cut scenes had to be disabled because they would cause the game to freeze. The plot is rather choppy at points (maybe because of the lack of cut scenes for me).Saelune said:
But the combat is much better, the camera is much better, the dialogue can be hit and miss but not bad, the villains feel more villainous and Force Crush. My disc is dirty (oo er mrs) so I can't play it again until it eventually goes onto steam. Also I may have quoted the wrong person x)
Played both NWN 1 and 2. Played with all the expansions.
Even before I could get to the multiplayer I spent way, way more time with NWN 1 than I did with two. Played through the game so many times exploring all the options, loving the mechanics (later learned how to DM an actual DnD game), making character types and combinations, all that kind of jazz. The multiplayer, when I got the two expansions a year later or so, made for a great time with great community and player-driven events. Ever been to Amia and the like? Such a large population of players and DMs and a very well-crafted module, like the server it came from (can't remember how to spell Aerlith at the moment..)
NWN 2 didn't have that appeal. Sure, character creation was a vast land of choices and possibilities but I couldn't help but feel limited. It was also very clunky with graphics that looked (to me) only marginally better to the previous game, especially in terms of the hardware power needed to run it. The multiplayer required a large amount of fussing around - heck, I even ended up getting a (I kid you not) external program so I could actually connect to servers. Even then most were buggy, incomprehensible pieces of mess that had a small population, most of whom lacked any kind of driving force.
I was very disappointed, to say the least. :<
Even before I could get to the multiplayer I spent way, way more time with NWN 1 than I did with two. Played through the game so many times exploring all the options, loving the mechanics (later learned how to DM an actual DnD game), making character types and combinations, all that kind of jazz. The multiplayer, when I got the two expansions a year later or so, made for a great time with great community and player-driven events. Ever been to Amia and the like? Such a large population of players and DMs and a very well-crafted module, like the server it came from (can't remember how to spell Aerlith at the moment..)
NWN 2 didn't have that appeal. Sure, character creation was a vast land of choices and possibilities but I couldn't help but feel limited. It was also very clunky with graphics that looked (to me) only marginally better to the previous game, especially in terms of the hardware power needed to run it. The multiplayer required a large amount of fussing around - heck, I even ended up getting a (I kid you not) external program so I could actually connect to servers. Even then most were buggy, incomprehensible pieces of mess that had a small population, most of whom lacked any kind of driving force.
I was very disappointed, to say the least. :<
I played both BG 1 and 2 later on, even in an organised multiplayer group designed for roleplaying through the stories, and I actually really liked it. Even though I didn't do too well, I liked it and found it to be quite engaging, especially with the friends I played with (Blind illusionist, anyone?). The first DnD I got was actually ADnD, which is what the Baldur's Gate runs on. It was, at the time, the most recent version and thus the version they'd choose for a game. If you call it a money-grab then I assume that you also call DnD 3 or D20 money-grabs of DnD, too?mrhateful said:
I played Kotor 2 first so my opinion is different to those who played 1 first. After playing Kotor 1 I was annoyed at how you basically spend most of the time visiting worlds that were already featured in 1, swoop racing wasn't improved upon(which is a real shame) and for quite a number of people the cut scenes had to be disabled because they would cause the game to freeze. The plot is rather choppy at points (maybe because of the lack of cut scenes for me).Vault101 said:
But the combat is much better, the camera is much better, the dialogue can be hit and miss but not bad, the villains feel more villainous and Force Crush. My disc is dirty (oo er mrs) so I can't play it again until it eventually goes onto steam.
Yeah and the Baldur's Gate games were okay but they weren't Planescape: Torment.King of the Sandbox said:
I never had time nor money to get NWN2, but I didn't enjoy NWN1 or its expansions all that much, they were playable, but I had much more fun in BG2. The main use I ever got out of my NWN1 was playing online with some friends on an roleplaying server while waiting for WAR to come out.
Its much more fun in BG2 to have the whole 6 man party, and just totally ignore the main quest and go about the world adventuring and doing what you want. NWN while you could do that, it forced you into swapping between the limited henchmen and you kept getting pulled back to the main story line too much.
Its much more fun in BG2 to have the whole 6 man party, and just totally ignore the main quest and go about the world adventuring and doing what you want. NWN while you could do that, it forced you into swapping between the limited henchmen and you kept getting pulled back to the main story line too much.
OPINIONS!mrhateful said:
Please remember to prefix your statements with something that shows that it's your opinion, otherwise it makes you sound like an ass.
3, no. That was fine. A new system was needed after so many years. But the lack of beta testing which led to the subsiquent release of 3.5, basically made buying 3rd Edition pointless and made 3.5 appear to be a cash grab.Cpt.Muddles said:
Kind of like they were saying, "Whoops. Our bad. We kinda messed up. Can you please buy another 90 dollars worth of books since we goofed? *snicker snicker*"
Also, it was basically designed for munchkins.
Don't get me wrong, I loved Torment, but I prefer basic swords and sorcery to crazy, off the wall, pseudo-psychedelic/intellectual/philosophic worlds.RhombusHatesYou said:
Plus, BG had Boo. Nothing in Torment was as awesome as Boo.
Oh! Oh! I know!
Because people don't all have identical opinions and you're part of the minority that actually didn't hate the game!
Because people don't all have identical opinions and you're part of the minority that actually didn't hate the game!