Why is PC gaming "dead"?

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AzrealMaximillion said:
If those aren't qualifiers for why the PC market is not as attractive for gamers as console gaming.
Sorry, I must have fallen asleep as you repeated the same stuff again. Did I miss the part where you explain how the section of the gaming community that games on PCs exists if your original statement is true?

Those aren't qualifiers, btw, they're supporting points.
 

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I can't remember anyone ever saying 'PC gaming is dead' without being sarcastic when they said it. It's just a phrase PC gamers like to wheel out and mock whenever anything nice happens to the platform. It doesn't mean anything. It just lets them get smug in the face of a ignorant console-playing mass that they have conjured in their minds.

Like the statement 'Halo is the best game ever'. The one person I have ever heard say that and mean it was someone who now has arguably the best job in the world because of it, so I think they're allowed to like it more than most.
 

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Geo Da Sponge said:
I can't remember anyone ever saying 'PC gaming is dead' without being sarcastic when they said it. It's just a phrase PC gamers like to wheel out and mock whenever anything nice happens to the platform. It doesn't mean anything. It just lets them get smug in the face of a ignorant console-playing mass that they have conjured in their minds.

Like the statement 'Halo is the best game ever'. The one person I have ever heard say that and mean it was someone who now has arguably the best job in the world because of it, so I think they're allowed to like it more than most.
Video game store owner said "PC gamers are a dying breed" seriously.
I raged somewhat, and there were impromptu mechanics, technical, and historical lessons to be had ...

But at the end of the day, store owners may think that because they don't have reasonable prices .. while console owners have less in the way of choice when it comes to shopping around.
 

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I see these "Why do people say PC gaming is dying" and "PC gaming is not dying!" threads all the time. Not once have I actually seen a "PC gaming IS dead" thread though :S

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Video game store owner said "PC gamers are a dying breed" seriously.
I raged somewhat, and there were impromptu mechanics, technical, and historical lessons to be had ...

But at the end of the day, store owners may think that because they don't have reasonable prices .. while console owners have less in the way of choice when it comes to shopping around.
Stores don't sell a whole lot of PC games. Mostly because people prefer to buy them online (steam) or pirate them. Stores won't have much mark up on pc games. Developers simply sell them to retail stores for a higher price because it's a whole lot more hassle to create manuals, packaging and discs. However it doesn't cost very much to copy-paste a bunch of 1's and 0's.
 

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I wouldn't say it's dead as such more taken a back seat as console gaming is a much easier way of enjoying games. Don't get me wrong pc games are good but to get the best out of the latest games you need to update your pc every 6 months or so and check it all works with the game, which can prove very costly as opposed to a console which is relatively cheap and doesn't need replacing for a good 3-4 years. The downside of consoles is the absence of any modding community so the pc will always have the edge over consoles. But really pc has never been alive nor dead, it's just been there.
 

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It kinda is, well not really dying just ill.
Big companies are kinda leaving us behind :/ even though we're ahead..
The 3 Biggest issues are piracy, the wide variety in hardware and that pc games are used to bigger and more complicated games than console gamers, for example I found the Mass Effects good games but felt really dumbed down.
But I feel like things are looking up with more indie games especially with mainstream engines that are now free to use.
 

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For years i keep hearing pc gaming is dying, and it still has not died yet. Probably because the whole pc gaming dying stuff is bullshit. I doubt it will ever die. There are still plenty of pc gamers. I don't really give a crap about console gaming myself.
 

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PC gaming isn't dead, consoles/handhelds have become mainstream. However, there's some things that are inherent to PC gaming that consoles simply won't be able to beat (yet).

http://xkcd.com/484/

PC's have free-to-use programming languages and tools that can allow anyone to start developing games for free. There's plenty of flash and indie games to kill time with. I don't know about anyone else, but I think I have more fun playing N than I do with AAA titles like BF:BC2. However, most flash/indie games simply won't be able to bring the same experience as Shadow of the Colossus or some of the classic Final Fantasy games. XBLA is the first step in the right direction to bring more indie developers to consoles.

Also, PC gaming can be expensive if you want it to. If you don't have a good PC, you won't be able to play some of the best titles out there, but there's plenty of flash/indie games that have extremely low hardware requirements that can bring you the same kind of fix as professional games. Plus, there's plenty of old AAA games out there that, despite the outdated graphics, have plenty to offer, like Starcraft and Thief.

I'm also looking forward to WebGL, that could bring a new kind of gaming to PC's.
 

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I wonder if Steam will eventually sink PC gaming.

They're trying to win the whole market with ridiculous sales and the service and accessibility problems will just piss more players off as time goes on. If I couldn't play my games because of Steam for whatever reason, it would be the last time I deal with it. Between Steam and GFWL, it's pretty hard to find games that don't have these bullshit restrictions, right? Doesn't bode well.
What killed the idea of me buying new PC games was the idea of merely being leased the game.

(Not directed at quoted poster)
I spent the past day or two checking. At no point did I ever explicitly agree that I was being leased a game. Sorry, PC gamers. Stop trying to apply the fallacies of your tiny niche of the hobby to the hobby at large.
 

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Now for the lack of renknown companies.
Ensemble Studios getting shut down is really a sign of the times. As good of a company as it was, they made and RTS every 2-3 years. That doesn't show longevity. Especially in a market where RTSs are pumped out so vehemously.

PC exclusive reknown companies are really dwindling. The only ones I can name are CD Projeckt and Blizzard Entertainment. With the loss of Black Isle, Bullfrog Productions, and a lot more PC developers that made classic after classic after classic gets shut down, it's really a sign of the markets shifting.
Objection: all those has one thing in common; the parent company decided too close down the subsidiarity. Black Isle, admittedly, went down due to some Interplay brouhaha, but Bullfrog and Ensemble both got shut down by their owners.

And neither Bullfrog nor Ensemble was PC exclusive companies.

Ultimately, companies getting shut down does not mean you can make grand statements about the state of a specific section of the market (see also: Pandemic, Clover Studios).
Yeah, it kind of does. Underperforming companies get shut down. A lot more of that happens in the PC world. Also Bullfrog and Ensemble made very little console games.
 

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RhombusHatesYou said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
If those aren't qualifiers for why the PC market is not as attractive for gamers as console gaming.
Sorry, I must have fallen asleep as you repeated the same stuff again. Did I miss the part where you explain how the section of the gaming community that games on PCs exists if your original statement is true?

Those aren't qualifiers, btw, they're supporting points.
And what in the hell is the difference? I'm pretty sure a supporting point can be used to show a qualification.

Here is the dictionaty definition of qualifier:

1. A contestant who qualifies for a stage in a competition.
2. A preliminary stage of a competition.
3. A person who qualifies for something.
4. (grammar) A word or phrase, such as an adjective or adverb, that describes or characterizes another word or phrase, such as a noun or verb; a modifier; that adds or subtracts attributes to another.

Which one of those definitions of "qualifier" are you looking for?
 

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If PC gaming is dying, it's because of piracy. They won't be releasing Crysis 2 on PC, same reason the didn't bother with a Gears of War 2 PC release. But to me, I play all my FPS games on PC, World of Warcraft, pretty much any non xbox/ps3/wii exclusive on PC, for better graphics.
 

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It's not dead, but it is smaller than console gaming.
No it's not.
It's bigger than all the consoles put together.
In which way specifically? Cause it's sure as shit not in software sales.

That and the PC just doesn't have as large a range of genres as consoles do.

There are more major and renowned developers for consoles so that's were the investments are.

The PC just hasn't had the amount of classics it did in the 90s.

Now it's crappy console ports, zombies, zombies, zombies, uninspired FPSs and RTSs.
no genres?

*points to the steam store genre selector*

no companies?

*points to the entire developer selector for steam*

No money in sales?

*points to the money made by steam every single year*

want me to go on? because i can do this all day.
You didn't prove how those lead to PC leading in any fashion.

Steam Genre Selector: Most of the games on steam that are not RTSs, Valve, or uninspired FPSs sell better on console.

Steam Developer Selector doesn't prove anything. Thete are still more major developers on the consoles than there are that work with Steam. That is a fact. There are lots of developrs that aren't on Steam pal.

And never did I say no money in sales. I'm pretty sure that Black Ops can prove that alone. I highly doubt Steam makes as much money as company like EA, Activision or Square Enix based just off of Steam alone. My point was that consoles in general make more money for devs and publishers than PC. That's also a fact.

Basing your entire arguement off of Steam was stupid. I'm talking ALL PC and ALL console. Steam is just one aspect of the PC. And if your going to say things like, "points to money made by Steam", put up a link to help your point out.

Last time I check Valve was making $70 million.

Last time I checked the Activision part of Activision Blizzard was raking in 2.9 billion a year. Which is my point. PC isn`t dead but it sure as shit doesn`t make money like major console companies do.
so you're basing the sales on ONE MULTIPLATFORM GAME? and never did i say its ALL steam. List the developers if you want but the fact of the matter is that most developers are mulitplatform. Sell better on console? Where are you basing your facts since digital distribution don't divulge their numbers.

For your information you are trying to compare A DIGITAL STORE TO GAME PUBLISHERS. STEAM IS NOT A PUBLISHER, ITS A STORE. Why not compare Target to mcdonalds while you're at it? Console developers? That implies the console exclusive companies which limits the companies to console exclusive developers which are quite small. If you notice console developers are big because consoles are expensive to develop for and high risk while the PC is low risk and cheap to develop for. Your gaggle of "big dogs" can't stand a fucking chance against the thousands of developing studios on PC. Need i pull out the game numbers of PC games versus console games?
I never based my arguement off of one multiplatform game. I based off of a company. I didn't mention a game. Nice try at word twisting. You essentially used Steam for all of your points so I pointed out that one company makes a massive amount more than Valve which deals mostly with PC. You really need to learn how to argue. And in terms of the big dogs not standing a chance against the thousands of developing PC studios, that statement is just asinine. You want to pull numbers out to prove me wrong? Allow me.

Out of the top 10 best selling video game franchises only one of them is exlusivlely PC. The Sims. The rest are console exclusive or games that were released on all platforms but sold more on consoles due to PCs always getting shafted on release dates.

Black Ops alone, which is the most Pirated PC game of this year, still made $1 billion dollars faster than Avatar, the top best selling movie of all time.

Yes there are thousands of developing PC studios. Likewise for console based studios. There are probably more developing console developers than on PC. Please name these thousands of PC studios. Then name what they've done. The develoing console studios grow faster then the developing PC studios. This can be show with Blow Entertainment, The Behemoth, and many companies that have released indie successes on XBL/PSN. I personally haven't heard of many developing PC studios but apparently you claim there are Thousands.

I never said PC was dead.

But comparing it's growth to the console industry is just silly.
Indie releases on XBL/PSN isn't what a console developer makes. An indie release for XBL/PSN is practically the same as an Iphone game. The PC however supports much more indie studios due to the lack of fees that are required to develop for the console. This is why only big companies can be true console developers. The cost to make is so big, and the chance to get the money back is too small. "there are probably more console developers" isn't going to cut it. Want numbers? Okay here's the numbers.

Decent (non shovel ware, 70% score) games by Platform:
PC: 1275
XBOX 360: 479
PS3: 341
WII: 242

If consoles have more developers, you would think they would have more games than the PC. However, this is a far cry from the old generation. Also i should note that this graph only shows games with 5 reviews or more and does not include free games like Dwarf fortress, or survival crisis Z.

PS2: 792
Xbox: 472
Gamecube: 263

If you notice the total number of general console games DROPPED since the last generation. PC may have been hurting last generation but this generation it has jumped back in a big way.
You calling a console indie game the same as an iPhone game really makes not take you seriously anymore. Braid, Castle Crashers, Trine, Costume Quest, and Joe Danger are not comparable to iPhone games.

And where the hell are you getting your numbers from? If you can't post up a link then these numbers are bullshit. And how the hell did you find numbers for "non shovelware" games? Prove that please. That and you cutting out shovelware really skews the numbers, sorry to say.

If consoles have more developers, you would think they would have more games than the PC.
If the PC has more developers than how come there are more big name titles on the console? And just because there's more doesn't mean they have a large library of games.

This is why only big companies can be true console developers. The cost to make is so big, and the chance to get the money back is too small
You know it's just as expensive to create a major PC game as it is to make a major console game right?

Now back to your ghost numbers.

You say there are:
345 PS3 games when there are 647.
479 Xbox 360 games when there are 747.
242 Wii games when there are 962.
792 PS2 games when there are 2015.
472 Xbox games when there are 966.
263 GC games when there are 640.
(All numbers found simply by typing in "X" games in wikipedia and google.)
You can't tell which companies are making the most shovelware by cutting out the numbers of shovelware. And the amount of games doesn't show if each game was sucessful.

The PC market isn't as big as the console market. Get it through your head.
Metacritic game archives. The minimum score is 70% AKA a decent game. If i included all the bad games the wii would take the cake out of all of them merely with shovel ware alone. That's why i cut it to only show the games that are of decent quality. Its really is no secret that some studios put out games like gingerbread ninja and big rigs to con people out of money. This is the curse of the game industry as people are bound to imitate anything in a half ass fashion.

PC gaming is cheaper to make a game for, as it requires no notification of a major company and requires no licensing fees. Everyone knows that console games take the cake in budget. Big name titles on console? You do realize its MULTI-PLATFORM RIGHT? Just because the big name titles are more aligned with console doesn't mean all the developers are there. IF you really notice, only a few people can afford to make games for the console anymore, and if it isnt AAA, then you shouldn't even bother because there will be no way to make your money BACK. Everything is multi-platform now. If you want to argue exclusives, then i know a site you can go to with a list of exclusives.

http://adrianwerner.wordpress.com/

Not bigger than console gaming? let me put all of this in perspective:

Console:
-Requires extortionate fees to develop every game for.
-High risk of failure.
-High cost to develop the games.
-Few genres are profitable.
-Retail can work against your product in favor of a big franchise.
-Used game sales bleeding money from market.
-Highly profitable genres already saturated. It will be hard to get into the profitable genres.

PC:
-Development cheaper.
-More genres profitable.
-Steam allows easy access to gaming public.
-Doesn't need to follow set standards for technical or graphical quality (see mount and blade, minecraft, Dwarf Fortress).
-more accessible.

You know something else that was more accessible? The PS2. That console had the most games ever because it was open to developers without fees or troubles. Now, the PC follows that same path so you do the math and get that through your head.

"big success from BIG COMPANIES AND FROM WELL KNOWN TITLES PREDATING THIS GENERATION" doesn't mean shit to developers in how they choose their platform, its how easy it is to get into.

If you really do some research, PC gaming growing faster than a fat guy at a buffet full of cheeseburgers if all the news stories are to be believed.

Braid and Trine are on PC which means they are NOT console games. they are MULTI-PLATFORM. Just because a game is released on console and PC doesn't automatically make it a console game.
You know you'd have a point from this site:
http://adrianwerner.wordpress.com/

if a lot of those games have been released on the PSN/XBL as well as on the consoles themselves.

Also using a critic based analysis to prove your point is a bit silly. There's no way to tell how many games that got a %70 or abouve actually suceeded.

All I'm saying is the PC isn't as big or as marketable as the console industry. I never said that PC was dead, or even failing. ALl you've done is try to make PC look like it's the biggest money making in the video game business. I never denied that PC makes money, it's just not making as much as console. Stop being thick. I never mention the failure of PC. This is what I get for saying that PC isn't as great as console. I get attacked by you. Just like on the "Iron Sights" thread. Sorry but your not convincing me that PC makes more money then console. It may be cheaper to make games for but how many of those games show signifacant growth in the PC market?
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
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Now for the lack of renknown companies.
Ensemble Studios getting shut down is really a sign of the times. As good of a company as it was, they made and RTS every 2-3 years. That doesn't show longevity. Especially in a market where RTSs are pumped out so vehemously.

PC exclusive reknown companies are really dwindling. The only ones I can name are CD Projeckt and Blizzard Entertainment. With the loss of Black Isle, Bullfrog Productions, and a lot more PC developers that made classic after classic after classic gets shut down, it's really a sign of the markets shifting.
Objection: all those has one thing in common; the parent company decided too close down the subsidiarity. Black Isle, admittedly, went down due to some Interplay brouhaha, but Bullfrog and Ensemble both got shut down by their owners.

And neither Bullfrog nor Ensemble was PC exclusive companies.

Ultimately, companies getting shut down does not mean you can make grand statements about the state of a specific section of the market (see also: Pandemic, Clover Studios).
Yeah, it kind of does. Underperforming companies get shut down. A lot more of that happens in the PC world. Also Bullfrog and Ensemble made very little console games.
Proof? Where is it? You can't just say that "it happens more in the PC world". If you actually notice, game companies die of outside influences more than anything. Bullfrog died because EA wanted to shut it down, and Black isle shut down because herve caen made a BAD CONSOLE GAME WHICH SAPPED THEIR INCOME ENTIRELY. If consoles are so profitable, then Black isle would still be around today.
Um no. Your info on Black Isle is wrong. Just like you've been the entire time. Black Isle had nothing to do with Fallout BoS. That was Interplay. Herve Caen was an Interplay employee not a Black Isle employee. Fallout BoS was developed entirely by Interplay, not Black Isle. Black Isle was shut down a year before Fallout BoS came out. Nice try but you failed once again. And the all caps aren't making your points stronger. They're just highlighting which of your asinine arguement I should disprove.

Fallout BoS was (unfortunately) sucessful enough for a sequel, so even if it was under Black Isle then it wouldn't have sapped the company's income as you said.

And as for Bullfrog. EA didn't just want the studio so shut down. It was obviously not performing well enough to justify it's aquisition. As soon as Peter Molyneux left that was the last nail in the coffin for Bullfrog.

Listen, stop this nonsense. You're not going to prove that PC is bigger than console by using useless numbers and uninformed statements about companies.
 

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AzrealMaximillion said:
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If those aren't qualifiers for why the PC market is not as attractive for gamers as console gaming.
Sorry, I must have fallen asleep as you repeated the same stuff again. Did I miss the part where you explain how the section of the gaming community that games on PCs exists if your original statement is true?

Those aren't qualifiers, btw, they're supporting points.
And what in the hell is the difference? I'm pretty sure a supporting point can be used to show a qualification.

Here is the dictionaty definition of qualifier:

1. A contestant who qualifies for a stage in a competition.
2. A preliminary stage of a competition.
3. A person who qualifies for something.
4. (grammar) A word or phrase, such as an adjective or adverb, that describes or characterizes another word or phrase, such as a noun or verb; a modifier; that adds or subtracts attributes to another.

Which one of those definitions of "qualifier" are you looking for?
*sighs* well, seeing as this isn't a competition and there isn't a person trying to qualify for something here, I'll leave you to work it out.

After you've done that maybe you can get around to explaining how the section of the gaming community that games on PCs exists if your original statement is true.

The relative sizes of PC gaming and console gaming doesn't make a bit of difference to your statement and while it's been fun to watch you run around trying to prove an irrelevant point, I've grown bored of it.

Here's a hint, if you say 'gamers' without any qualifiers or explicitly naming exceptions that means ALL gamers. Now, put that into the context of your original statement of 'PC gaming is not the attractive option for gamers'. The simple existance of gamers for whom PC gaming IS the attractive option shows your statement to be false. Feel free to try and reconcile your original statement with the existance of PC gamers without changing the wording or trying to redefine the words (ie, "When I said 'gamers' I meant console gamers.")
 

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RhombusHatesYou said:
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If those aren't qualifiers for why the PC market is not as attractive for gamers as console gaming.
Sorry, I must have fallen asleep as you repeated the same stuff again. Did I miss the part where you explain how the section of the gaming community that games on PCs exists if your original statement is true?

Those aren't qualifiers, btw, they're supporting points.
And what in the hell is the difference? I'm pretty sure a supporting point can be used to show a qualification.

Here is the dictionaty definition of qualifier:

1. A contestant who qualifies for a stage in a competition.
2. A preliminary stage of a competition.
3. A person who qualifies for something.
4. (grammar) A word or phrase, such as an adjective or adverb, that describes or characterizes another word or phrase, such as a noun or verb; a modifier; that adds or subtracts attributes to another.

Which one of those definitions of "qualifier" are you looking for?
*sighs* well, seeing as this isn't a competition and there isn't a person trying to qualify for something here, I'll leave you to work it out.

After you've done that maybe you can get around to explaining how the section of the gaming community that games on PCs exists if your original statement is true.

The relative sizes of PC gaming and console gaming doesn't make a bit of difference to your statement and while it's been fun to watch you run around trying to prove an irrelevant point, I've grown bored of it.

Here's a hint, if you say 'gamers' without any qualifiers or explicitly naming exceptions that means ALL gamers. Now, put that into the context of your original statement of 'PC gaming is not the attractive option for gamers'. The simple existance of gamers for whom PC gaming IS the attractive option shows your statement to be false. Feel free to try and reconcile your original statement with the existance of PC gamers without changing the wording or trying to redefine the words (ie, "When I said 'gamers' I meant console gamers.")
Seems to me you just don't have a point to prove. When I say gamers I mean anyone that games. Anyone who is interested in the pixelated world. Anyone who plays video games. Now in the gaming market the PC is not as attractive as the console. Costs of continuous upgrades, lack of must have titles, having to search to find a unique gaming experience. Those are points that have been demonstrated time and time again. You really had no value or point in this arguement so I'll end it here. If you have no intrest in showing a point then why even argue?
 

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Ultratwinkie said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
Ultratwinkie said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
Delusibeta said:
AzrealMaximillion said:
Now for the lack of renknown companies.
Ensemble Studios getting shut down is really a sign of the times. As good of a company as it was, they made and RTS every 2-3 years. That doesn't show longevity. Especially in a market where RTSs are pumped out so vehemously.

PC exclusive reknown companies are really dwindling. The only ones I can name are CD Projeckt and Blizzard Entertainment. With the loss of Black Isle, Bullfrog Productions, and a lot more PC developers that made classic after classic after classic gets shut down, it's really a sign of the markets shifting.
Objection: all those has one thing in common; the parent company decided too close down the subsidiarity. Black Isle, admittedly, went down due to some Interplay brouhaha, but Bullfrog and Ensemble both got shut down by their owners.

And neither Bullfrog nor Ensemble was PC exclusive companies.

Ultimately, companies getting shut down does not mean you can make grand statements about the state of a specific section of the market (see also: Pandemic, Clover Studios).
Yeah, it kind of does. Underperforming companies get shut down. A lot more of that happens in the PC world. Also Bullfrog and Ensemble made very little console games.
Proof? Where is it? You can't just say that "it happens more in the PC world". If you actually notice, game companies die of outside influences more than anything. Bullfrog died because EA wanted to shut it down, and Black isle shut down because herve caen made a BAD CONSOLE GAME WHICH SAPPED THEIR INCOME ENTIRELY. If consoles are so profitable, then Black isle would still be around today.
Um no. Your info on Black Isle is wrong. Just like you've been the entire time. Black Isle had nothing to do with Fallout BoS. That was Interplay. Herve Caen was an Interplay employee not a Black Isle employee. Fallout BoS was developed entirely by Interplay, not Black Isle. Black Isle was shut down a year before Fallout BoS came out. Nice try but you failed once again. And the all caps aren't making your points stronger. They're just highlighting which of your asinine arguement I should disprove.

Fallout BoS was (unfortunately) sucessful enough for a sequel, so even if it was under Black Isle then it wouldn't have sapped the company's income as you said.

And as for Bullfrog. EA didn't just want the studio so shut down. It was obviously not performing well enough to justify it's aquisition. As soon as Peter Molyneux left that was the last nail in the coffin for Bullfrog.

Listen, stop this nonsense. You're not going to prove that PC is bigger than console by using useless numbers and uninformed statements about companies.
misinformed position? Practice what you preach dude. What do you think i was saying? If herve caen didn't enter the console market black isle wouldn't have been disbanded. They didn't have the money to make fallout 3 anymore. BOS was not successful, it bankrupted the damn company and killed any hope of it coming back.
If the market was better for PC then Black Isle wouldn't have had to have it's funds taken. All of Black Isle's games have received critical acclaim. In a good market there is no reason for a company with that kind of rep to just shut down. Especially not because of one guy taking one games' funding. Black Isle was a small studio in the time where Blizzard, Valve and Epic Games ran the PC market. Had Diablo II never existed Fallout 2 probablt would have been a massive success. Unfortunately that was not the case.
 

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Jaranja said:
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Someone get the picture!
Yessir!

HAHAHHAHA You Sir are awesome!!!
Im primarily a PC gamer and there's no better place for strategy games and fps(in my opinion)
Oh and PC gaming will never die, look at WOW and Starcraft
 

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I've read articles where game producers claim it to be dying, bbecause PC games are so easy to pirate & developers don't want to take chances with that.