Why is Prostitution Illegal?

[demoman_chaos]

There are more Alcoholics now it has been legalised. When i say "pimp" i dont mean the "Big black guy wearing purple and jive talking" - I mean a Criminal. A nasty piece of work.

The best advice/counter argument i can give Re: NIMBY's is to try and have some apathy - You say that "you can ignore these people, they are people after all" - Put yourselves in their shoes. Imagine your house, You favourite hang-out, Etc, has had something you find undesireable (if brothels aren't) put next door.

The problems that happen in the industry at the moment last a lifetime. The physical & mental trauma a lot of the girls suffer is incomprehensible - thats[/I] why i feel it shouldnt be legalised.

I just mentioned the patronising thing as i didnt want you to think i was being "snotty" (or for the mods to think that)

Free sex is legal.

Me personally I don't overly care what is put in near me. If it causing trouble, there are ways to stop it. If it doesn't directly effect me, then I am not bothered by most things. Put a prison near where I live (would be tough, but lets just be theoretical here). A lot of people think it would be bad, but it would make your neighborhood quite crime free. You think if anyone escapes they'll bother you? No, you escape to get as far away as possible. You think anyone will be dealing drugs right next to a prison?
I am quite passive, but I understand most people aren't. If I weren't so passive, I may care. But as long as it doesn't directly hinder me, I don't care.

Again, most people would go the legal route cutting a major chunk out of the pimp's business. Porn is legal, but child porn isn't. Porn is essentially prostitution. People getting paid to have sex, only difference is they get paid by people who watch the video and not by the other person.

No worries, I don't get offended. Debates like this are quite fun and are good mental training. I always enjoy a good debate.

 

[vanalla]

There are many reasons why prostitution is illegal. Firstly, on the christian point of view, prostitution is a blatant violation of the ten commandments, "Thou shalt not commit adultery". Secondly, it is relative to the laws on piracy. say God is the original creator of content, or the artist. You are God's work, and therefore, you have the right to share that with others, for free, which is like file sharing. Once you start to charge people for sharing yourself (selling pirated material) then it is illegal. And lastly, it is because most of the nations of the world were founded on christian beliefs, so therefore it is illegal in many countries. Prostitution is illegal mainly for the reason of religion.

 

[Johnnyallstar]

Look what happens any time degeneracy is legalized. It never works out for the betterment of society, which is also why I disapprove of legalizing narcotics.

list some examples.

The founder of Planned Parenthood was a woman named Margaret Sanger. It was her belief that abortion, and other forms of extreme birth control, such as sterilization, was for the betterment of society. She pushed eugenics hard, but not just to remove the diseased and genetically damaged, but also specifically to rid America of anyone of black descent.

She was quoted by Linda Gordon as saying "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

But eventually, her foundation finally achieved getting abortion legalized. And ever since then Americans have constantly been questioning the value of life, and continually thinking less and less of it. Once thought to be a sacred gift, life is now often seen as a burden. Another mouth to feed, another body to clothe, another head to shelter, rather than another vessel for invention, or another mind for ingenuity, or another source of growth and ideas.

If that's not a degradation of society, I don't know what is.

 

[Shoggoth2588]

Prostitution is still illegal in the U.S. because of how many of the voters are religious to the point of fanaticism. Not that they're bad people, they're just raised to believe that prostitution is bad and the ones in charge live to appease them so as to stay in power. Based on the way things are going though, Prostitution will be legalized within the next decade or three. California will likely be where it starts since it seems everything starts there. Once they get recreational marijuana legalized, they'll likely start talking about the possibility of prostitution.

STDs is a major threat though, especially in the D.C. area. If properly regulated though, it shouldn't be that major an issue through moderate-to-intense screening. This brings me to the other issue which is health care. In a world with free, universal healthcare, 'pimps' could get their girls checked out regularly. With the current state of healthcare, it would cut deeply into the profit margin of the enterprising 'pimp'. Well, maybe not that deeply as I'm lead to believe prostitution is a lucrative business

A final issue with prostitution is government regulation. At the moment [if movies and TV have taught me anything] it is easy to make about $20 as a prostitute by simply masturbating for the customer's viewing pleasure. The government may think that's worth more and require the pimp to 'jack up' his [or her] prices. That's not even counting the taxes!

 

[Insanum]

Im'ma have to break your argument down as theres quite a few valid points here:

Free sex is legal.

Well yes, But thats a different matter. If you have a Wife/Girlfriend (assuming you're male), then thats perfectly legal. But dont forget rape is free.

Me personally I don't overly care what is put in near me. If it causing trouble, there are ways to stop it. If it doesn't directly effect me, then I am not bothered by most things.

I have largely the same attitude, although i do care about what is built around me.

Put a prison near where I live (would be tough, but lets just be theoretical here). A lot of people think it would be bad, but it would make your neighborhood quite crime free. You think if anyone escapes they'll bother you? No, you escape to get as far away as possible. You think anyone will be dealing drugs right next to a prison?

I know this is would[/I] be at risk. Now obviously, there is always a slim chance that could happen anywhere, but you've got more of a risk being near a prison.

Just because you are near[/I] a prison, Doesn't mean the surrounding area is crawling with police - but thats a different subject.

I am quite passive, but I understand most people aren't. If I weren't so passive, I may care. But as long as it doesn't directly hinder me, I don't care.

Again, most people would go the legal route cutting a major chunk out of the pimp's business. Porn is legal, but child porn isn't. Porn is essentially prostitution. People getting paid to have sex, only difference is they get paid by people who watch the video and not by the other person.
The adult movie industry is different. The "Actors" in the films are two consenting adults. Porn isn't the same as prostitution on one key factor. Contribution.

If you legalise the industry, You change the pimp's job describtion, from Pimp/madam to Manager.

No worries, I don't get offended. Debates like this are quite fun and are good mental training. I always enjoy a good debate.

Thats a relief ^^

 

[demoman_chaos]

There are many reasons why prostitution is illegal. Firstly, on the christian point of view, prostitution is a blatant violation of the ten commandments, "Thou shalt not commit adultery". Secondly, it is relative to the laws on piracy. say God is the original creator of content, or the artist. You are God's work, and therefore, you have the right to share that with others, for free, which is like file sharing. Once you start to charge people for sharing yourself (selling pirated material) then it is illegal. And lastly, it is because most of the nations of the world were founded on christian beliefs, so therefore it is illegal in many countries. Prostitution is illegal mainly for the reason of religion.

Again religious nuts doing something they think is right in theory but in the end causes more problems than it stops.

Ever since then Americans have constantly been questioning the value of life, and continually thinking less and less of it. Once thought to be a sacred gift, life is now often seen as a burden. Another mouth to feed, another body to clothe, another head to shelter, rather than another vessel for invention, or another mind for ingenuity, or another source of growth and ideas.

If that's not a degradation of society, I don't know what is.

Being a realist, I realize that humans are no different than other animals besides being able to reason better. So sterilizing a human is wrong, but Bob Barker telling everyone to neuter their dogs makes him a good man? Why is it ok to chop a dog's manhood off but bad if we do the same to ourselves?
Again though, a debate for another date.

 

[RelexCryo]

I have never fully understood this. As the late (and great) George Carlin said, "Selling is legal, fucking is legal. Why is it illegal to sell fucking?" "Why is it illegal to sell what is perfectly legal to give away?"


Sex is legal when its free, but illegal when you pay for it. It doesn't make sense to me.
Here is my proposed solution. You have to have a license to be a prostitute, which requires a weekly STD test. Fail the test, lose your license.

Any ideas why prostitution is illegal and any idea ideas on how it would work if it was legal (like the above mention license)?

It's because conservatives define your rights by your ability to lead the life they want you to lead, rather than your ability to make your own choices on how to lead your own life. It is one of the major failings of conservatives, and a major part of why I am a moderate.

 

[okogamashii]

Probably because it's objectifies people and makes them things instead of humans.
Besides, it's not entirely illegal; certain states have brothels that are perfectly legal.

 

[Kingshadow6]

Because change is scary, and most people willing allow that sort of behavior are too cowardly to attempt to deal with the backlash that it would cause, but I suppose that's just my theory. Legalizing prostitution doesn't look good on a ballot.

 

[demoman_chaos]

Well yes, But thats a different matter. If you have a Wife/Girlfriend (assuming you're male), then thats perfectly legal. But dont forget rape is free.

But rape is illegal. And prostitution is consensual sex with a promise for money at the end.

I know this is would[/I] be at risk. Now obviously, there is always a slim chance that could happen anywhere, but you've got more of a risk being near a prison.

That is why they invented weapons. The pursuit would be enough to waken me, doors would be locked. If they did manage to get in, they'd end up with a giant cut via my battle-ready katana. I may be passive, but I am always prepared.

The adult movie industry is different. The "Actors" in the films are two consenting adults. Porn isn't the same as prostitution on one key factor. Contribution.

If you legalize the industry, You change the pimp's job description, from Pimp/madam to Manager.

How is it different? 2 people getting paid to have sex. Only noticeable difference is the inclusion of a camera to record it.
Prostitution would be between 2 consenting adults. Difference is it (usually) isn't filmed and only 1 is getting paid.

 

[Kaymish]

well its not illegal here in New Zealand and many of the problems it financed or caused became less after it was de-criminalised a couple of years ago and i haven't seen any new issues that didn't happen when it was illegal

 

[KittyPryde87]

Probably because it's objectifies people and makes them things instead of humans.

Umm if we are going by these guidelines our advertising industry would be illegal as well.

 

[DeathWyrmNexus]

It is mostly the flawed religious argument as making something harmless illegal just makes it harmful to those who do it.

Case in point, prohibition. Second case in point, current prostitution levels.

 

[CyberGenesis]

It's legal in parts of Nevada

OT: Because it's a governmental attempt to stem the spread of STDs. But if you legalized it, you could make a lot of money off of licensing and required medical checkups

 

[KittyPryde87]

I think we should make it legal and use the aborted fetuses for stem cell research.

 

[okogamashii]

Probably because it's objectifies people and makes them things instead of humans.

Umm if we are going by these guidelines our advertising industry would be illegal as well.

Not quite. It's one thing to use sexy ladies or whatever to sell things, quite another to teach people that all other people are is a place to stick it for an hour or so. Also, advertising doesn't turn people into soulless wretches that hate their life.

 

[tofulove]

every issues related with prostitution is because its illegal, the criminal part, violence rape murder. its all cause its illegal, legalize it and regulated it. its no longer criminal. the violence rape and murder and abuse would skyrocket down to almost nothing.

when you make some thing a crime that should not be a crime, it becomes a crime. if you made worms illegal, uncle bob would have to go to the mafia to get his worms for fishing. and he might get killed for wearing a wire cause officer dennis was going to send him to jail for 20 years for illegal worm use.

 

[Dags90]

OT: Because it's a governmental attempt to stem the spread of STDs.

Like free STD screening and subsidized prophylactics?

Also, advertising doesn't turn people into soulless wretches that hate their life.

Ever hear of eating disorders?

 

[Insanum]

Well yes, But thats a different matter. If you have a Wife/Girlfriend (assuming you're male), then thats perfectly legal. But dont forget rape is free.

But rape is illegal. And prostitution is consensual sex with a promise for money at the end.

Well it's actually sex in exchange for money. Put on your attenborough head for a moment and ask what sex is - Do you see any animals in the animal kingdom paying for it?

I know this is would[/I] be at risk. Now obviously, there is always a slim chance that could happen anywhere, but you've got more of a risk being near a prison.

That is why they invented weapons. The pursuit would be enough to waken me, doors would be locked. If they did manage to get in, they'd end up with a giant cut via my battle-ready katana. I may be passive, but I am always prepared.

If you were in the UK, Arming yourself and attacking an intruder is a criminal offence (another stupid rule, i know) But alas, This is another topic. But, If we can bring it back to the topic of NIMBY's - Basically "be prepared" is the response to have?

The adult movie industry is different. The "Actors" in the films are two consenting adults. Porn isn't the same as prostitution on one key factor. Contribution.

If you legalize the industry, You change the pimp's job description, from Pimp/madam to Manager.

How is it different? 2 people getting paid to have sex. Only noticeable difference is the inclusion of a camera to record it.
Prostitution would be between 2 consenting adults. Difference is it (usually) isn't filmed and only 1 is getting paid.[/quote] Very Different. Is one of the consenting adults in the video paying[/I] to be there?

He's there hopping on the good foot & doing the bad thing, And your at home watching him with the one hand fandango. Thats the main difference. The second Major difference. Filmed. We'll stick with the gender role we have been using - She does it with him and is filmed - the film is then distributed. Everyone that pays[/I] to see that video is only seeing a video, They're not taking the place of the guy, unlike prostitution.

 

[BlackWidower]

The same reason why Child Labour is banned. Because it's immoral.

It's immoral? Sorry you're going to have to do better than that. Morality, in case you didn't know, is debateable, and it changes over time, it's not an absolute. There was a time when racism and slavery were moral, that's not true today.