"Why not just watch porn?"

[Shia-Neko-Chan]

I been to striptease show and I can tell you it is way classier than any anime. And I have watched anime and I can tell you 99% of it has no class or rank.

According to quantum superposition theory I have seen everything that can, is, will be, might, can't be, would be, might not be. Therefor I have seen all anime and I have drawn a conclusion from it.

Let's just say it like this. I spent 8 months doing part time as sensor for a TV channel that aired lot of foreign stuff. It meant watching a whole series, then marking down a tick list about them. And since I was "young hip kid" I got a quarter of standard nautical metric ton of Anime.

4-6 hours a day that to pay living so I could have money that was not my parents while studying.
Worst 8 months of my life.

Also. "To be entitled for a subjective opinion you do not need a objective study of the subject."
In my opinion everything that is pastel colored looks ugly and horrible, because I hate pastel color range. I also hate the year 1234 and the incoming 4321.

But yeah - what I have seen when I had to and when I was arsed to, 99% of anime has nor class. But please: do list that same fucking list of bebob, souldrinker, boobs and big swords and neon conclusion mechabollocks... etc to convert my opinion.

Which mainly is - I don't or respect 99% of anime. There are few movies I happen to like, because they are diamond encrusted finger smearing cool cream on your brain compared to rest of mass media that gets bombarded from all 1½ and 2/3rd corners of the world.

Okay? I don't see how your closed minded idea of what anime is or how much class it has needs to be expressed here, though.

We get it. You don't like anime. *shrug* It doesn't change our lives at all. Stop antagonizing the people in this thread.

 

[SinisterGehe]

I been to striptease show and I can tell you it is way classier than any anime. And I have watched anime and I can tell you 99% of it has no class or rank.

According to quantum superposition theory I have seen everything that can, is, will be, might, can't be, would be, might not be. Therefor I have seen all anime and I have drawn a conclusion from it.

Let's just say it like this. I spent 8 months doing part time as sensor for a TV channel that aired lot of foreign stuff. It meant watching a whole series, then marking down a tick list about them. And since I was "young hip kid" I got a quarter of standard nautical metric ton of Anime.

4-6 hours a day that to pay living so I could have money that was not my parents while studying.
Worst 8 months of my life.

Also. "To be entitled for a subjective opinion you do not need a objective study of the subject."
In my opinion everything that is pastel colored looks ugly and horrible, because I hate pastel color range. I also hate the year 1234 and the incoming 4321.

But yeah - what I have seen when I had to and when I was arsed to, 99% of anime has nor class. But please: do list that same fucking list of bebob, souldrinker, boobs and big swords and neon conclusion mechabollocks... etc to convert my opinion.

Which mainly is - I don't or respect 99% of anime. There are few movies I happen to like, because they are diamond encrusted finger smearing cool cream on your brain compared to rest of mass media that gets bombarded from all 1½ and 2/3rd corners of the world.

Okay? I don't see how your closed minded idea of what anime is or how much class it has needs to be expressed here, though.

We get it. You don't like anime. *shrug* It doesn't change our lives at all. Stop antagonizing the people in this thread.

I did that when? Or more delicious question... How?

I am not making them to be bad guys. I am just calling out on a genre of media that I find distasteful. And unless they are producing factor in that media, I haven't said a bad thing about them. Hell who knows, maybe one of the people on this topic might be the love of my life hat I will meet in 1 hour 2 minutes 3 seconds and 2 light years from now. It wouldn't change anything if love likes anime or that you like anime.

I dislike you equally as I dislike the yapping dog next door that kept me awake this miserable night, or the packet of oxamin I took to calm myself down from stuffing the delicious idea of stuffing dry ice through the letterbox in to their apartment when the owner leaves to work in hopes of suffocating the dog. But they don't have letter box on their door neither do I have dry ice and I am quite sure that they don't even have a dog or that I have a neighbout since the apartment next to me is empty space 5 floor from the ground, only existing as a quantum hypercube with door made of light and depleted uranium. It's mere existence is to be the door from which the society of talking fish with 2 legs nailed to their sides and wearing scuba gear can launch their invasion to take over the land and force us to live underwater.

 

[Shia-Neko-Chan]

I been to striptease show and I can tell you it is way classier than any anime. And I have watched anime and I can tell you 99% of it has no class or rank.

According to quantum superposition theory I have seen everything that can, is, will be, might, can't be, would be, might not be. Therefor I have seen all anime and I have drawn a conclusion from it.

Let's just say it like this. I spent 8 months doing part time as sensor for a TV channel that aired lot of foreign stuff. It meant watching a whole series, then marking down a tick list about them. And since I was "young hip kid" I got a quarter of standard nautical metric ton of Anime.

4-6 hours a day that to pay living so I could have money that was not my parents while studying.
Worst 8 months of my life.

Also. "To be entitled for a subjective opinion you do not need a objective study of the subject."
In my opinion everything that is pastel colored looks ugly and horrible, because I hate pastel color range. I also hate the year 1234 and the incoming 4321.

But yeah - what I have seen when I had to and when I was arsed to, 99% of anime has nor class. But please: do list that same fucking list of bebob, souldrinker, boobs and big swords and neon conclusion mechabollocks... etc to convert my opinion.

Which mainly is - I don't or respect 99% of anime. There are few movies I happen to like, because they are diamond encrusted finger smearing cool cream on your brain compared to rest of mass media that gets bombarded from all 1½ and 2/3rd corners of the world.

Okay? I don't see how your closed minded idea of what anime is or how much class it has needs to be expressed here, though.

We get it. You don't like anime. *shrug* It doesn't change our lives at all. Stop antagonizing the people in this thread.

I did that when? Or more delicious question... How?

I am not making them to be bad guys. I am just calling out on a genre of media that I find distasteful. And unless they are producing factor in that media, I haven't said a bad thing about them. Hell who knows, maybe one of the people on this topic might be the love of my life hat I will meet in 1 hour 2 minutes 3 seconds and 2 light years from now. It wouldn't change anything if love likes anime or that you like anime.

I dislike you equally as I dislike the yapping dog next door that kept me awake this miserable night, or the packet of oxamin I took to calm myself down from stuffing the delicious idea of stuffing dry ice through the letterbox in to their apartment when the owner leaves to work in hopes of suffocating the dog. But they don't have letter box on their door neither do I have dry ice and I am quite sure that they don't even have a dog or that I have a neighbout since the apartment next to me is empty space 5 floor from the ground, only existing as a quantum hypercube with door made of light and depleted uranium. It's mere existence is to be the door from which the society of talking fish with 2 legs nailed to their sides and wearing scuba gear can launch their invasion to take over the land and force us to live underwater.

You did exactly what I said you're doing. You're trolling. You're basically derailing this thread to tell the people you know like anime, very aggressively and tactlessly, that "a striptease has more class than 99% of anime". You presented your opinion as fact, then you challenged them to "please: do list that same fucking list of bebob, souldrinker, boobs and big swords and neon conclusion mechabollocks... etc to convert my opinion."

All I'm asking is that you stop trolling this thread and trying to get a rise out of people. :/

Nobody cares or should care about your opinion of anime being worthless or classless and nobody is going to try to convert you.

 

[Seydaman]

Well. Some people find soft-core (bikinis etc.) more attractive than straight up hardcore porn. Beyond that, I dunno. Porn has become really boring tbh...

 

[Seydaman]

Good to see you've done your research ^-^
The problem is that aestheticism still promotes mood and tone through the beauty that it creates. Empty beauty is still empty.

Of course, but that's just a biproduct of "because it looks pretty".

Also, do you honestly think that out of place ecchi is a statement based in aestheticism?

Good lord no, just pointing out that something being done purely to look good doesn't disqualify it from being art.

isn't well..a lot of art done purely to look good? I don't write a story with the intent of boring my reader to death...

 

[Paragon Fury]

Some videogames are pretty pornograhic in an exploitative kind of way, though that doesn't necessarily make them porn.

Case in point: Just about every game by Team Ninja (except DOA Extreme Volleyball)

I wouldn't call DoAX pornogrpahic either. Women in bikini's isn't considered "porn" - hell, you can sell the Swimsuit issue of SI and Maxium and all those out in the open in most stores and those are way worse than DoAX ever thinks of being most of the time.

 

[Paragon Fury]

So, I would ask you; is something like this a "just go watch porn" moment, or is the concept of idol girls-turned-submission-wrestlers to be considered something else? (Not having watch the show myself, the clips make it look like it would hilarious)

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

So after going through the comments for an anime video I was watching, I came upon the line I so neatly paraphrased in the title several times. Its not just an isolated thing either; basically any where in games and anime where you can find an attractive woman wearing less than full plate armor covered in censor bars you'll find that accusation, or one similar to it. Even here on the Escapist.

All other issues aside, something I've always wondered (and when asked never gotten a response) is this; what if the person watching doesn't like porn? Despite porn's popularity there are many people who just don't like it, and there is a big difference between "ecchi" and "naughty" and actual porn.

Women in bikinis is not porn (imagine the economies that would destroyed if it was!). Women with nice features isn't porn. Women being seductive/playful isn't porn either. Maybe that is one of the reasons people watch it. To see something they DO like without having to see something they DON'T like?

But nope. According to the Internet, its just that these people apparently know enough to work Youtube or a PS3 but can't figure out how to work Google.

Ironically at one time women in bras was porn. Apparently our parents as teens would wait for the Kohls booklet to come sunday or whatever and take a peek at the semi nudes.

Now if she isn't tied upside down and taking it from every direction it barely registers on the internet.

Honestly though porn is an escape, either because you don't have the opportunity in real life to meet your desires or your too afraid to experience them personally.

 

[sunthaiduc]

or you have a normal healthy sex drive and enjoy add ons during sex.

 

[Paragon Fury]

So after going through the comments for an anime video I was watching, I came upon the line I so neatly paraphrased in the title several times. Its not just an isolated thing either; basically any where in games and anime where you can find an attractive woman wearing less than full plate armor covered in censor bars you'll find that accusation, or one similar to it. Even here on the Escapist.

All other issues aside, something I've always wondered (and when asked never gotten a response) is this; what if the person watching doesn't like porn? Despite porn's popularity there are many people who just don't like it, and there is a big difference between "ecchi" and "naughty" and actual porn.

Women in bikinis is not porn (imagine the economies that would destroyed if it was!). Women with nice features isn't porn. Women being seductive/playful isn't porn either. Maybe that is one of the reasons people watch it. To see something they DO like without having to see something they DON'T like?

But nope. According to the Internet, its just that these people apparently know enough to work Youtube or a PS3 but can't figure out how to work Google.

Ironically at one time women in bras was porn. Apparently our parents as teens would wait for the Kohls booklet to come sunday or whatever and take a peek at the semi nudes.

Now if she isn't tied upside down and taking it from every direction it barely registers on the internet.

Honestly though porn is an escape, either because you don't have the opportunity in real life to meet your desires or your too afraid to experience them personally.

What those who one (or both) of those things but still don't like porn?

 

[Angelblaze]

For me it depends on the anime in question. For instance, I hate the "harem" genre, stuff like Love Hina.

Now I have watched Love Hina, and I even used to read the manga when I was a kid. But as I got older and looked at it in hindsight...

It's boring. The story of that series isn't better than your average porn. It's basically a porn without sex in it. So I basically DO have to ask myself "Why not just watch a series that's just as good as this, but has sex in it?"

Now I admit that some series are quite good as far as the writing and characters go, and they just so happen to contain a lot of over the top sexual fanservice (For instance, I enjoyed the recent Witchblade anime, despite the heavy fanservice)

If the series is really good, just features fanservice, that's fine, whatever. I understand why you'd wanna watch that over porn.

But the vast majority of fanservicey anime that I've seen (Love Hina, Chobits, Divergence Eve, Sekirei,...um...that one with the guy who is like a wizard's grandkids so like 3 girls want his child...starts with an M)...I'd rather just watch porn. At least then I know why I'm watching it. I don't have to fool myself into thinking I'm actually enjoying the story or characters because I like the titillation it provides.

Obviously it's different for everyone, but that's how it is for me.

YES
SOMEONE POSTED ABOUT THE WITCHBLADE ANIME.

Seriously, that anime was perfect speaking as a woman who usually doesn't watch 'fan-service-y pudding boobie' anime. At first I was like 'Sigh, really?' but then the plot had me going and hooked me on.


Dat ending bro.
Dat ending.

--
OT: Sexual content is all fine and dandy unless its handled poorly, like it so often is in media world wide.

 

[Angelblaze]

So, I would ask you; is something like this a "just go watch porn" moment, or is the concept of idol girls-turned-submission-wrestlers to be considered something else? (Not having watch the show myself, the clips make it look like it would hilarious)

Funny story, video's removed because of nudity and sexual content.

 

[Something Amyss]

You do realize that to properly utilize Google, and any other search engine for that matter, that you have to use proper spelling, don't you? That immediately disqualifies at least half (rough, generous estimate) of the internet users.

If that was true, Facebook would be a barren wasteland.

Speaking of...

Spoiler

Would solve so many problems.

Umm, according to Webster's pornography is "Writings, pictures ect..intended primarily to arouse sexual desire."
So yeah, women in bikinis, women with nice features, women being playfully seductive can actually all be considered porn, though from the definition it would seem that the intent of the creator is actually the primary consideration.

And, of course, a lot of anime does this explicitly to titillate.

Not that I'm going to condemn the logic of "just watch porn," because I do understand different people are interested in different things. If you knew half the shit my friends were into, you'd pray for Cthulhu to rise and destroy the world.

It's such an interesting double standard, though, considering how much media IS designed specifically to titillate. We use sex to sell almost everything from programming to products. Why is anime different? Well, it's still considered a largely niche product (true or not) and I'm sure the kiddy image of animation doesn't hurt.

 

[Paragon Fury]

For me it depends on the anime in question. For instance, I hate the "harem" genre, stuff like Love Hina.

Now I have watched Love Hina, and I even used to read the manga when I was a kid. But as I got older and looked at it in hindsight...

It's boring. The story of that series isn't better than your average porn. It's basically a porn without sex in it. So I basically DO have to ask myself "Why not just watch a series that's just as good as this, but has sex in it?"

Now I admit that some series are quite good as far as the writing and characters go, and they just so happen to contain a lot of over the top sexual fanservice (For instance, I enjoyed the recent Witchblade anime, despite the heavy fanservice)

If the series is really good, just features fanservice, that's fine, whatever. I understand why you'd wanna watch that over porn.

But the vast majority of fanservicey anime that I've seen (Love Hina, Chobits, Divergence Eve, Sekirei,...um...that one with the guy who is like a wizard's grandkids so like 3 girls want his child...starts with an M)...I'd rather just watch porn. At least then I know why I'm watching it. I don't have to fool myself into thinking I'm actually enjoying the story or characters because I like the titillation it provides.

Obviously it's different for everyone, but that's how it is for me.

YES
SOMEONE POSTED ABOUT THE WITCHBLADE ANIME.

Seriously, that anime was perfect speaking as a woman who usually doesn't watch 'fan-service-y pudding boobie' anime. At first I was like 'Sigh, really?' but then the plot had me going and hooked me on.


Dat ending bro.
Dat ending.

--
OT: Sexual content is all fine and dandy unless its handled poorly, like it so often is in media world wide.

I will admit; there were some manly tears and qivering upper lip when I got to the end of that show.

CAPTCHA: Bouncy ball. Yeah........

 

[Paragon Fury]

So, I would ask you; is something like this a "just go watch porn" moment, or is the concept of idol girls-turned-submission-wrestlers to be considered something else? (Not having watch the show myself, the clips make it look like it would hilarious)

Funny story, video's removed because of nudity and sexual content.

Yeah. Apparently a wrestling match between two women where one of them gets the other in a submission is "Too sexual" for Youtube.

 

[Adeptus Aspartem]

Just enjoy the fanservice or don't watch it. It's not that complicated.

Good god. As if some eyecandy is something bad.

 

[Paragon Fury]

Just enjoy the fanservice or don't watch it. It's not that complicated.

Good god. As if some eyecandy is something bad.

Apparently it is, according to not an insignificant number of people.

 

[chuckdm]

Well...for whatever tiny bit my input may be worth...

I run Skyrim with UNPB. I don't have to do that. The game plays exactly the same without it. It literally has no impact on the story or characters or anything what-so-ever. Yet, I wouldn't run Skyrim without it.

Why?

Because if I'm going to be staring at a character's ass for 30+ hours, I want it to be a very nice looking ass.

Granted, then I turn around and use the "Misfit Mage" robes/armor so I can't really see it but whatever.

Still, if I'm going to sink that level of time into looking at something, ANYTHING, I want it to be as pretty as it can be. I don't think that's wrong. I think it's just plain logical.

And I do watch porn too, sure. I'm a single white male on the internet so obviously. But to compare a clothed character in a video game to porn is a bit like comparing a magnitude 1.5 earthquake to Noah's flood - both may classify as a "natural disaster" but they are clearly not the same thing. And not just because the severity of the disasters are different, it's their purpose. One is a generic disaster, whereas the other is a genuine act of god intended more to decimate a population rather than cause property damage.

This is the same thing - my focus isn't on making the character an object of lust. I simply don't see why I wouldn't sink 2 minutes into making it a little more appealing if I'm going to spend hours on end looking at it.

This is the same reason I run a custom windows theme (Clearlooks for Windows - I like Linux) and choose wallpaper that features Mad Moxxii (well she's a few of them, heh.) I'm not trying to get off on my wallpaper, but if I'm going to look at it all day, why on earth would I want to use that stupid Windows 7 logo wallpaper, or worse, flat blue?

So no, it's not porn, and it's not even in the same category genre as porn. Sexy isn't X-Rated by default, and anyone who says it is has some serious sexual repression they need to work on.

 

[Yuuki]

I'll be damned if I'm the only one who actually finds a sexy female who is wearing clothing/armor (or at least SOMETHING) to be more arousing than a sexy female who is purely nude.

95% of porn is basically real people fucking, an ocean of amature vids and/or small-budget productions. Not trying to come across as a jerk but that shit got boring REALLY fast for me.

It's the fantasy/artistic stuff with interesting themes that I'm more attracted to, and I'm sure there are many like me...so when sexy stuff is tied into gaming or other forms of media, I'm all for it as long as it's at least interesting/fun.

 

[DjinnFor]

I can tell you why people say that.

They think sexuality is a bad or unacceptable or indecent thing that should never be expressed in entertainment and thus, should only be displayed in its most hamfisted and inelegant form, solely for the utility of allowing people to easily get themselves off every once in a while.

Or perhaps they feel that it, unless it is used tactfully and with purpose, adds nothing whatever piece of entertainment you try to toss it into.

It's pretty clear cut: either you're using it to cause arousal (in which case it's porn no matter which way you slice it), or your doing it for some plot or theme-related purpose and the arousal is secondary (or unintended). In the former case, might as well just go watch porn. In the latter case, it can be evaluated based on how it creates (or fails to create) the intended effect with the audience; if it fails to create the intended effect, why is it there in the first place? It's not really a personal matter of decency or acceptability here, but rather a rational analysis of the situation.

If your primary goal is arousal, might as well just make/watch porn. You can watch softcore if penetration bothers you, or softcore hentai if you prefer anime. Or gee, I dunno, go find a partner if you want some intimate sexuality.

HSotD is the perfect example; it's pretty much softcore porn and has no other redeeming qualities. It's not even comedic in most cases; its all about "see how much fanservice we can cram into the next 20 minutes without being censored as hentai". Is it necessarily a bad piece of entertainment because of that? No, but "you might as well go watch porn".