Why save Sanctuary? (Diablo III)

[Murlin]

This is just something that bugs me with the writing in Diablo III: Is the world even worth saving? This is kind of the same for the Warcraft Universe, huge world/universe-threathening manifestations appear to occur every other decade. Heck in Diablo III it is even said that the demons (or the demon lords at least) can never be truly killed but only imprisoned (which doesn't seem to help much either

Spoiler: in Diablo II

in Diablo II Mephisto's influence is actually seeping out of his soulstone due to minor damage, and all the hosts are easily overtaken by their demonic prisoners

so Sanctuary is basically set up with an immortal, immoral, and almost cartoonishly demonic evil for all eternity.

I'm nitpicking like a irritating parent here but there doesn't seem to be much incentive to save the worlds Blizzard's writers make up, you basically know that it's all going to shit again anyway so why even bother? 20 odd years of peace might be fun but it's hard to see a future ahead when you know that soon whole villages will be ritually slaughtered, and that this could very easily happen to you as well.

Captcha says: Cut and run. I don't think that "The Escapist told me to do it" is a good justification for cutting someone, is it?
Just asking.

 

[go-10]

only reason I can think of is... FOR THE LOOT

 

[Aeshi]

Diablo's essentially a fantasy version of Warhammer 40k (or an alternate version of Regular Warhammer I guess) in that the setting only really exists to provide hordes of bad guys to mow down for loot.

And besides Reincarnation's not a Demon-only thing, as I don't think the Archangels can be perma-killed either. Plus I think some of the novels mention that other worlds besides Sanctuary do exist (and since said worlds have deities, that would imply they have life on them as well...)


EDIT:

You know what I would like to see? A Diablo game in which the world has already been overtaken by Diablo and been under his control for 300 odd years. And you try to take it back and banish him. Now that would be kickass.

It might actually feel like you did something when you finished a quest or whatever, you could see the world change around you and shit.

Probably never gonna happen though.

Wouldn't mind this either, but that'd probably end up coming too close to Demon's Souls.

 

[DoPo]

You know what I would like to see? A Diablo game in which the world has already been overtaken by Diablo and been under his control for 300 odd years. And you try to take it back and banish him. Now that would be kickass.

It might actually feel like you did something when you finished a quest or whatever, you could see the world change around you and shit.

So, "Take Sactuary back!"? If that is the case, would that mean that in the end, a ghost boy will allow you to destroy the demons, control them or fuse with them?

 

[Soviet Heavy]

You know what I would like to see? A Diablo game in which the world has already been overtaken by Diablo and been under his control for 300 odd years. And you try to take it back and banish him. Now that would be kickass.

It might actually feel like you did something when you finished a quest or whatever, you could see the world change around you and shit.

Probably never gonna happen though.

Like a dungeon crawler Okami. I like the idea.

 

[ChildishLegacy]

You know what I would like to see? A Diablo game in which the world has already been overtaken by Diablo and been under his control for 300 odd years. And you try to take it back and banish him. Now that would be kickass.

It might actually feel like you did something when you finished a quest or whatever, you could see the world change around you and shit.

Probably never gonna happen though.

I'd like to see a Diablo game set in Hell, wasn't there some shit like a war within hell between the Lesser and Prime Evils? Would be kick ass to have your heroes be "Diablo's right hand".

 

[Tuesday Night Fever]

What I don't get is what the deal is with Zoltun Kulle. Maybe I missed something along the way, but I was under the impression that his end goal was to liberate humanity from the influences of both Heaven and Hell. Throughout Act II Zoltun Kulle makes good on all of his promises to you, and he frequently warns you not to trust 'the angel' (Heaven) and 'the witch' (Hell). If you'd listened to Kulle you could have potentially put an end to Adria's plans -and- elevated humanity to a position of legitimate power.

But instead, after Kulle makes good on his promise, offers you a job, and even attempts to warn you that the black soul stone had been tampered with (by Adria)... you randomly decide to stab him in the back because of... what? His evil-sounding voice and laugh? What?

 

[Verzin]

You know what I would like to see? A Diablo game in which the world has already been overtaken by Diablo and been under his control for 300 odd years. And you try to take it back and banish him. Now that would be kickass.

It might actually feel like you did something when you finished a quest or whatever, you could see the world change around you and shit.

Probably never gonna happen though.

I'd like to see a Diablo game set in Hell, wasn't there some shit like a war within hell between the Lesser and Prime Evils? Would be kick ass to have your heroes be "Diablo's right hand".

That could be EPIC. I want!

 

[Murlin]

What I don't get is what the deal is with Zoltun Kulle. Maybe I missed something along the way, but I was under the impression that his end goal was to liberate humanity from the influences of both Heaven and Hell. Throughout Act II Zoltun Kulle makes good on all of his promises to you, and he frequently warns you not to trust 'the angel' (Heaven) and 'the witch' (Hell). If you'd listened to Kulle you could have potentially put an end to Adria's plans -and- elevated humanity to a position of legitimate power.

But instead, after Kulle makes good on his promise, offers you a job, and even attempts to warn you that the black soul stone had been tampered with (by Adria)... you randomly decide to stab him in the back because of... what? His evil-sounding voice and laugh? What?

I think it was because Kulle decided to "use his powers for his own gain after all" after being reincarnated. He basically yells about how the power of the soulstone is his (not sure how it works since he would probably end up consumed by the demons if he embeds it within himself) and attacks you for not caring enough about your own interests to join him.

His betrayal was very predictable though...

You know what I would like to see? A Diablo game in which the world has already been overtaken by Diablo and been under his control for 300 odd years. And you try to take it back and banish him. Now that would be kickass.

It might actually feel like you did something when you finished a quest or whatever, you could see the world change around you and shit.

Probably never gonna happen though.

I'd like to see a Diablo game set in Hell, wasn't there some shit like a war within hell between the Lesser and Prime Evils? Would be kick ass to have your heroes be "Diablo's right hand".

That could be EPIC. I want!

I second this.

 

[Zeriphor]

What I don't get is what the deal is with Zoltun Kulle. Maybe I missed something along the way, but I was under the impression that his end goal was to liberate humanity from the influences of both Heaven and Hell. Throughout Act II Zoltun Kulle makes good on all of his promises to you, and he frequently warns you not to trust 'the angel' (Heaven) and 'the witch' (Hell). If you'd listened to Kulle you could have potentially put an end to Adria's plans -and- elevated humanity to a position of legitimate power.

But instead, after Kulle makes good on his promise, offers you a job, and even attempts to warn you that the black soul stone had been tampered with (by Adria)... you randomly decide to stab him in the back because of... what? His evil-sounding voice and laugh? What?

I think it was because Kulle decided to "use his powers for his own gain after all" after being reincarnated. He basically yells about how the power of the soulstone is his (not sure how it works since he would probably end up consumed by the demons if he embeds it within himself) and attacks you for not caring enough about your own interests to join him.

His betrayal was very predictable though...

You know what I would like to see? A Diablo game in which the world has already been overtaken by Diablo and been under his control for 300 odd years. And you try to take it back and banish him. Now that would be kickass.

It might actually feel like you did something when you finished a quest or whatever, you could see the world change around you and shit.

Probably never gonna happen though.

I'd like to see a Diablo game set in Hell, wasn't there some shit like a war within hell between the Lesser and Prime Evils? Would be kick ass to have your heroes be "Diablo's right hand".

That could be EPIC. I want!

I second this.

"At long last, I can complete my life's work. All will tremble at my power!
What is this?
How has this happened? The souls of the dead Lords of Hell have been absorbed into the stone! Abandon your quest, nephalem. Your allies seek to control you. With the power I offer, you and I could rule over all creation!"

Those are his Zoltun Kulle's lines when you find the black soulstone. Also, he doesn't attack you. The PC calls him varying types of insane depending on their class, then attacks him.

I wanted to side with him because he knew what was going on and didn't want to rely on angels that almost voted to destroy humanity. But more than that, I was pissed at Tyrael for trusting ANOTHER soulstone after being burned completely by the ones that he made! I mean, come on man! You and various other pure individuals created the original soulstones, which were corrupted almost immediately. Do you really think a soulstone created by someone you don't trust will fare any better??

 

[Murlin]

What I don't get is what the deal is with Zoltun Kulle. Maybe I missed something along the way, but I was under the impression that his end goal was to liberate humanity from the influences of both Heaven and Hell. Throughout Act II Zoltun Kulle makes good on all of his promises to you, and he frequently warns you not to trust 'the angel' (Heaven) and 'the witch' (Hell). If you'd listened to Kulle you could have potentially put an end to Adria's plans -and- elevated humanity to a position of legitimate power.

But instead, after Kulle makes good on his promise, offers you a job, and even attempts to warn you that the black soul stone had been tampered with (by Adria)... you randomly decide to stab him in the back because of... what? His evil-sounding voice and laugh? What?

I think it was because Kulle decided to "use his powers for his own gain after all" after being reincarnated. He basically yells about how the power of the soulstone is his (not sure how it works since he would probably end up consumed by the demons if he embeds it within himself) and attacks you for not caring enough about your own interests to join him.

His betrayal was very predictable though...

You know what I would like to see? A Diablo game in which the world has already been overtaken by Diablo and been under his control for 300 odd years. And you try to take it back and banish him. Now that would be kickass.

It might actually feel like you did something when you finished a quest or whatever, you could see the world change around you and shit.

Probably never gonna happen though.

I'd like to see a Diablo game set in Hell, wasn't there some shit like a war within hell between the Lesser and Prime Evils? Would be kick ass to have your heroes be "Diablo's right hand".

That could be EPIC. I want!

I second this.

"At long last, I can complete my life's work. All will tremble at my power!
What is this?
How has this happened? The souls of the dead Lords of Hell have been absorbed into the stone! Abandon your quest, nephalem. Your allies seek to control you. With the power I offer, you and I could rule over all creation!"

Those are his Zoltun Kulle's lines when you find the black soulstone. Also, he doesn't attack you. The PC calls him varying types of insane depending on their class, then attacks him.

I wanted to side with him because he knew what was going on and didn't want to rely on angels that almost voted to destroy humanity. But more than that, I was pissed at Tyrael for trusting ANOTHER soulstone after being burned completely by the ones that he made! I mean, come on man! You and various other pure individuals created the original soulstones, which were corrupted almost immediately. Do you really think a soulstone created by someone you don't trust will fare any better??

I didn't remember it like that, thanks for pointing it out. I agree with you Kulle was probably the only guy who knew what was going down. I actually did like him a lot more then most other characters. We probably had to be put off by the "Rule over all creation!" bit and see him as another evil overlord, and I don't know whether he would really have shared that power.

On a side note: They put their faith in another soulstone after the last ones proved horribly ineffective, but they also did not destroy the black soulstone after Diablo was defeated didn't they? And didn't they already have trouble containing the evil within before? It feels like in the next Diablo (if it comes) all the lords of hell will simply break out of the stone and the fun can start all over again.

 

[Zenn3k]

The real question is, who cares, Diablo 3 is one of the worst gaming experiences I've had in years, and every "patch" they release has made the game worse. I haven't logged-in in a week now, and thats likely not going to change.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

The real question is, who cares, Diablo 3 is one of the worst gaming experiences I've had in years, and every "patch" they release has made the game worse. I haven't logged-in in a week now, and thats likely not going to change.

You must not game very much then.

 

[Zenn3k]

The real question is, who cares, Diablo 3 is one of the worst gaming experiences I've had in years, and every "patch" they release has made the game worse. I haven't logged-in in a week now, and thats likely not going to change.

You must not game very much then.

Oh, I do, I just avoid bad titles on purpose.

However I expected Diablo 3 to actually be GOOD...cause ya know, Blizzard? Boy was I fooled. Won't be purchasing anymore Blizzard titles however, they seem to be doing everything possible to make me NOT like Diablo 3, a game I paid cash money to play...so to hell with them.

 

[Zipa]

What I don't get is what the deal is with Zoltun Kulle. Maybe I missed something along the way, but I was under the impression that his end goal was to liberate humanity from the influences of both Heaven and Hell. Throughout Act II Zoltun Kulle makes good on all of his promises to you, and he frequently warns you not to trust 'the angel' (Heaven) and 'the witch' (Hell). If you'd listened to Kulle you could have potentially put an end to Adria's plans -and- elevated humanity to a position of legitimate power.

But instead, after Kulle makes good on his promise, offers you a job, and even attempts to warn you that the black soul stone had been tampered with (by Adria)... you randomly decide to stab him in the back because of... what? His evil-sounding voice and laugh? What?

I think it was because Kulle decided to "use his powers for his own gain after all" after being reincarnated. He basically yells about how the power of the soulstone is his (not sure how it works since he would probably end up consumed by the demons if he embeds it within himself) and attacks you for not caring enough about your own interests to join him.

His betrayal was very predictable though...

You know what I would like to see? A Diablo game in which the world has already been overtaken by Diablo and been under his control for 300 odd years. And you try to take it back and banish him. Now that would be kickass.

It might actually feel like you did something when you finished a quest or whatever, you could see the world change around you and shit.

Probably never gonna happen though.

I'd like to see a Diablo game set in Hell, wasn't there some shit like a war within hell between the Lesser and Prime Evils? Would be kick ass to have your heroes be "Diablo's right hand".

That could be EPIC. I want!

I second this.

"At long last, I can complete my life's work. All will tremble at my power!
What is this?
How has this happened? The souls of the dead Lords of Hell have been absorbed into the stone! Abandon your quest, nephalem. Your allies seek to control you. With the power I offer, you and I could rule over all creation!"

Those are his Zoltun Kulle's lines when you find the black soulstone. Also, he doesn't attack you. The PC calls him varying types of insane depending on their class, then attacks him.

I wanted to side with him because he knew what was going on and didn't want to rely on angels that almost voted to destroy humanity. But more than that, I was pissed at Tyrael for trusting ANOTHER soulstone after being burned completely by the ones that he made! I mean, come on man! You and various other pure individuals created the original soulstones, which were corrupted almost immediately. Do you really think a soulstone created by someone you don't trust will fare any better??

I didn't remember it like that, thanks for pointing it out. I agree with you Kulle was probably the only guy who knew what was going down. I actually did like him a lot more then most other characters. We probably had to be put off by the "Rule over all creation!" bit and see him as another evil overlord, and I don't know whether he would really have shared that power.

On a side note: They put their faith in another soulstone after the last ones proved horribly ineffective, but they also did not destroy the black soulstone after Diablo was defeated didn't they? And didn't they already have trouble containing the evil within before? It feels like in the next Diablo (if it comes) all the lords of hell will simply break out of the stone and the fun can start all over again.

There

Spoiler

are no other lords of hell any more, diablo merged their souls with his own and thus he became the only (prime) evil. hence his appearance change, he has elements of the other evils present

 

[Korolev]

Because Humans can't live in Heaven or in Hell. The Angels don't want to destroy humanity (well, most don't want to destroy humanity - a few angels clearly do, but being democratic, they put it to a vote and they voted to not destroy humanity) and the Demons want to use the Humans as slaves and take over Sanctuary. Given that Humans don't want to go to hell and can't go to the High Heavens, they are left to slum it out in the miserable world of Sanctuary.

But seriously - because it's a plot device. You can't have the game start in Heaven or Hell - those are the end acts. Sanctuary is there because it's a convenient place for Acts 1 to 3. That's it.

Few people care about the plot of Diablo, or the Universe its set in. My brother loves Diablo 1 2 and he likes 3 (not as much as the first two) - he put THOUSANDS of hours into Diablo 1 and 2 each, and already hundreds of hours into D3 - and although he knows the lore, he honestly doesn't care about it.

Sanctuary is there as a place to set the First Act in. That's its job and it does it well. Hell, the plot matters so little that they recycle a few bosses. Remember Skeleton King? Not his first game.

I played D3. I enjoyed what I got out of it, but I'm not going nuts over it, and I'm not likely to play it for much longer. It's an alright Action RPG, but I can never bring myself to care about a game with such a mediocre story, and for all the strengths that D3 has, story and plot are NOT one of them.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

The real question is, who cares, Diablo 3 is one of the worst gaming experiences I've had in years, and every "patch" they release has made the game worse. I haven't logged-in in a week now, and thats likely not going to change.

You must not game very much then.

Oh, I do, I just avoid bad titles on purpose.

However I expected Diablo 3 to actually be GOOD...cause ya know, Blizzard? Boy was I fooled. Won't be purchasing anymore Blizzard titles however, they seem to be doing everything possible to make me NOT like Diablo 3, a game I paid cash money to play...so to hell with them.

Well I'm enjoying it. Yes, the latency/lag issues are a pain and I wish I wasn't forced to be online to play single player, also I liked the skill tree system in Diablo II better even if most of the skills available went unused, at least it gave me choice. However overall I'm still having a good time with it. So far I've just reached Act III and the plot up to that point has me intrigued. I guess you and I just have different standards (yours being unreasonably high).

 

[gigastar]

This is probably a better question to ask about the world of Dragons Dogma.

Anyone who has played the entirety of the game should know that no matter what, the (core) events of the game are going to occur endlessly.

And to quote the titular dragon...

The hour to turn back is past. The world shall have its answer. You or me. Death or life beyond.

 

[Zenn3k]

The real question is, who cares, Diablo 3 is one of the worst gaming experiences I've had in years, and every "patch" they release has made the game worse. I haven't logged-in in a week now, and thats likely not going to change.

You must not game very much then.

Oh, I do, I just avoid bad titles on purpose.

However I expected Diablo 3 to actually be GOOD...cause ya know, Blizzard? Boy was I fooled. Won't be purchasing anymore Blizzard titles however, they seem to be doing everything possible to make me NOT like Diablo 3, a game I paid cash money to play...so to hell with them.

Well I'm enjoying it. Yes, the latency/lag issues are a pain and I wish I wasn't forced to be online to play single player, also I liked the skill tree system in Diablo II better even if most of the skills available went unused, at least it gave me choice. However overall I'm still having a good time with it. So far I've just reached Act III and the plot up to that point has me intrigued. I guess you and I just have different standards (yours being unreasonably high).

You haven't even beat the game yet? Yeah, the first play through, fairly okay...minus the bad and boring story. Lets talk again once you reach Inferno.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

The real question is, who cares, Diablo 3 is one of the worst gaming experiences I've had in years, and every "patch" they release has made the game worse. I haven't logged-in in a week now, and thats likely not going to change.

You must not game very much then.

Oh, I do, I just avoid bad titles on purpose.

However I expected Diablo 3 to actually be GOOD...cause ya know, Blizzard? Boy was I fooled. Won't be purchasing anymore Blizzard titles however, they seem to be doing everything possible to make me NOT like Diablo 3, a game I paid cash money to play...so to hell with them.

Well I'm enjoying it. Yes, the latency/lag issues are a pain and I wish I wasn't forced to be online to play single player, also I liked the skill tree system in Diablo II better even if most of the skills available went unused, at least it gave me choice. However overall I'm still having a good time with it. So far I've just reached Act III and the plot up to that point has me intrigued. I guess you and I just have different standards (yours being unreasonably high).

You haven't even beat the game yet? Yeah, the first play through, fairly okay...minus the bad and boring story. Lets talk again once you reach Inferno.

Very well. Although I don't anticipate that my position is going to change much.