Why so much PC gamer hate recently?
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I'm a console gamer and I adore Europa Universalis III. They can shove their elitism up their arses.SomethingAmazing said:When people insult PC gamers, what they're talking about 99% of the time are PC elitists. Those who always shout "CONSOLIZED" and talk about how stupid Console Gamers are because they don't play Europa Universalis or Planescape: Torment or something. Or because they like Mass Effect 2 over the older BioWare titles. They deserve hate because of how condescending they get.gustcq said:I know this topic has been posted 1-2 times per year...but honestly, i've been posting in march mayhem and every round theres some post, "escapist is mostly pc gamer this, escpaist is biased etc.."
I'm a pc gamer, but also i own consoles ps3, wii etc...
So why the hate ?
Personally, as far as things like saying oh I dunno 'PC gaming is dead' go, its really more a matter of perception and its hard to disagree with. I mean really, it makes more sense to have an item specifically dedicated to playing video games on, because having a single piece of hardware to design for and around is cheaper and easier. And at one point or another, maybe there will exist a phone that average bobs will be able to create humouresque videos on as mediums for their reviews or discussions.
But as an engineer I can emphatically tell you that I will always need a PC, or at least a tablet with a keyboard and mouse, to be able to do my job. And as long as engineers and members of other professions like accountants programmers, technicians and drafters continue to exist, we are going to need something to do on them instead of work.
But as an engineer I can emphatically tell you that I will always need a PC, or at least a tablet with a keyboard and mouse, to be able to do my job. And as long as engineers and members of other professions like accountants programmers, technicians and drafters continue to exist, we are going to need something to do on them instead of work.
That's not hate, it's just stating an opinion. Hate would be more along the lines of "The Escapist is mostly PC gamers Who Are all Elitist Know it alls!"gustcq said:I know this topic has been posted 1-2 times per year...but honestly, i've been posting in march mayhem and every round theres some post, "escapist is mostly pc gamer this, escpaist is biased etc.."
I'm a pc gamer, but also i own consoles ps3, wii etc...
So why the hate ?
Right now, most of the PC gamer hate is because of DAII. PC gamers are throwing a huge hissy fit over the changes that BioWare made from the first game, essentially claiming that BioWare intentionally screwed them out of a game. Honestly, if I was a PC gamer, I'd just be glad that so many console games are seeing PC release these days; back when I still had a decent gaming PC, it seemed that every big PC release saw a console port, but nothing ever went the other way.
Due to the fact that not all PCs are made the same, those that can afford a gaming computer are more likely to feel "holier than thou" because they can play at max settings and very minimal lag with the added benefits they already get with PC. Consoles on the other hand, are more or less made the same; all PS3s can play all PS3 games, all 360s can play all 360 games, etc. no problem because they have a set limitation that the developers couldn't surpass. Plus, consoles have always been much more affordable than PCs made primarily for games. Developers for PC games don't have that graphical/content limitation because they know that no matter what they put out, gaming PCs will be able to handle them at near-to or max settings. The downside is that because most people are going to only have general, non-game-inclined PCs, they won't be able to enjoy it near as much as they could be, so if said game comes out for consoles as well, they will probably get that. This is kinda where PC elitists get bitchy, as they see these people as "settling for less", plus, if games are made for both, the developers won't be as the dedication to making it as good as possible will be split between what it's all on.
Personally, though, I see myself as a more of a console gamer because the controller feels more natural, and because console button uses are pretty universal, instead of having to go through an entirely different macro setup for every different game. I do however enjoy playing a fair bit of PC games (huge Blizzard fan here, and they solely make games for PC), but with my previous laptop it got to the point where my PC constantly got extremely high latency and extremely low frame-rate, and often crashed, all while playing at absolute minimum settings, and it wasn't even an old computer in the first place. This new one isn't a whole lot better in terms of gaming either, so I don't get as near as much enjoyment playing these types of games in the first place.
Personally, though, I see myself as a more of a console gamer because the controller feels more natural, and because console button uses are pretty universal, instead of having to go through an entirely different macro setup for every different game. I do however enjoy playing a fair bit of PC games (huge Blizzard fan here, and they solely make games for PC), but with my previous laptop it got to the point where my PC constantly got extremely high latency and extremely low frame-rate, and often crashed, all while playing at absolute minimum settings, and it wasn't even an old computer in the first place. This new one isn't a whole lot better in terms of gaming either, so I don't get as near as much enjoyment playing these types of games in the first place.
I think I'm going to have to make a picture. I'm not sure if it's going to be a love it all picture, or a hate me because I have money picture. DS, PSP, Laptop, Desktop, 360, PS3 and Wii, all in one.
Dude, Bioware did screw us Pc gamers over...GotMalkAvian said:
With Origins they gave us a hope, that we might once again see Biowares greatness that happened in the 90ths. Origins is a Pc game all the way, and so we expected DA2 to be a Pc game.. What we got was a game restricted by the consoles and EA... That's why Pc gamers rage about Bioware (at least what i think they rage about, from all the countless posts I've read)
Oh and btw... I play both consoles and Pc... I'm just disappoint that I can't play epic challenging RPG's anymore...
I still love DA2 though, but not as an rpg or a Bioware game...
I had an interesting experience yesterday, I was on a job taking a photo of a local environmental campaigner. When I noticed he had a recumbent cycle (I know, a big leap that a grassroots greenie would have a recumbent, right?), we got talking about it. He built it himself as most do, then he said, as I have so often heard before, that it was a far superior way of cycling.
Now I'm not a huge cyclist or anything, but I always looked down in recumbent cyclists (ha ha) as smug, nerdy, ridiculous, weirdos, who didn't have a firm grip on reality. Anyway I had time to spare, and he offered me a go on his bike. It was a revelation, it isn't as nimble as a normal bike of course but it was so easy to drive/ride and it was incredibly comfortable. If I could bike commute to work (I need to drive my own car to jobs all day) I would probably think about getting/building myself a recumbent.
I think PC Gamers are recumbent cyclists.
There is always a little bit of smugness about us because we "know" we have a superior machine, especially as the mainstream just don't "get it". We also tend to forget that the things we take for granted like building our own machines, sourcing good deals for parts, overclocking, troubleshooting, and delving into the deeper intricacies of an OS are just not something that the mainstream think about, or think they can do. It makes us think less of them, because that is as integral to our gaming experience as breathing, and becomes second nature yet they find it too hard or incomprehensible.
There is also the legacy of PC Gaming, we remember those awesome games of the past that we love and we don't see anything as intricate or as complex being produced by the large studios. We blame the consoles, when really we should blame parenting and the mass market. I'll get into parenting another time but basically, parents don't want their kids to fail and games follow that trend. Thank goodness for Dwarf Fortress (Uh oh PC elitism). That's a generalisation of course but one I see an overall trend towards. The mass market which of course is driven by the consoles, want to produce games that everyone will like, that everyone can play and that everyone can beat, which ends up giving us samey, non-challenging, non-complex games that can be picked up and played by a slighty dim 12 year old. Because they are aiming for the lowest common denominator to maximise their potential market. The games produced are more suited to the limitations of the console hardware and controllers than the almost limited potential of the PC. This stings in particular because quite a few PC gamers are also PC enthusiasts, who have PC related G.A.S. [footnote=Gear Acquisition Syndrome, where we don't have to upgrade our machines but we do because we like shiny and powerful things] I don't blame consoles for this trend, I blame the money men who drive the industry, and their lack of faith in the ability of gamers to think and learn.
Wow that was a long rant, sorry.
Now I'm not a huge cyclist or anything, but I always looked down in recumbent cyclists (ha ha) as smug, nerdy, ridiculous, weirdos, who didn't have a firm grip on reality. Anyway I had time to spare, and he offered me a go on his bike. It was a revelation, it isn't as nimble as a normal bike of course but it was so easy to drive/ride and it was incredibly comfortable. If I could bike commute to work (I need to drive my own car to jobs all day) I would probably think about getting/building myself a recumbent.
I think PC Gamers are recumbent cyclists.
There is always a little bit of smugness about us because we "know" we have a superior machine, especially as the mainstream just don't "get it". We also tend to forget that the things we take for granted like building our own machines, sourcing good deals for parts, overclocking, troubleshooting, and delving into the deeper intricacies of an OS are just not something that the mainstream think about, or think they can do. It makes us think less of them, because that is as integral to our gaming experience as breathing, and becomes second nature yet they find it too hard or incomprehensible.
There is also the legacy of PC Gaming, we remember those awesome games of the past that we love and we don't see anything as intricate or as complex being produced by the large studios. We blame the consoles, when really we should blame parenting and the mass market. I'll get into parenting another time but basically, parents don't want their kids to fail and games follow that trend. Thank goodness for Dwarf Fortress (Uh oh PC elitism). That's a generalisation of course but one I see an overall trend towards. The mass market which of course is driven by the consoles, want to produce games that everyone will like, that everyone can play and that everyone can beat, which ends up giving us samey, non-challenging, non-complex games that can be picked up and played by a slighty dim 12 year old. Because they are aiming for the lowest common denominator to maximise their potential market. The games produced are more suited to the limitations of the console hardware and controllers than the almost limited potential of the PC. This stings in particular because quite a few PC gamers are also PC enthusiasts, who have PC related G.A.S. [footnote=Gear Acquisition Syndrome, where we don't have to upgrade our machines but we do because we like shiny and powerful things] I don't blame consoles for this trend, I blame the money men who drive the industry, and their lack of faith in the ability of gamers to think and learn.
Wow that was a long rant, sorry.
Ignore him. I'm pretty sure he's trying to get banned at this point.SomethingAmazing said:Jerks are jerks = Generalization now?Hubilub said:So we should meet generalizations with generalizations.SomethingAmazing said:When people insult PC gamers, what they're talking about 99% of the time are PC elitists. Those who always shout "CONSOLIZED" and talk about how stupid Console Gamers are because they don't play Europa Universalis or Planescape: Torment or something. Or because they like Mass Effect 2 over the older BioWare titles. They deserve hate because of how condescending they get.gustcq said:I know this topic has been posted 1-2 times per year...but honestly, i've been posting in march mayhem and every round theres some post, "escapist is mostly pc gamer this, escpaist is biased etc.."
I'm a pc gamer, but also i own consoles ps3, wii etc...
So why the hate ?
That makes so much sense it hurts my ass.
Okay...
I own a ps3, wii and a medium spec pc and if I want to play a game where I can loose my self completely I always turn to the pc, I just can't take consoles serriously enough. Don't get me wrong I love playing on my ps3 and can have hours of fun, but, if you can learn to use a mouse and keyboard just like you learnt to use a controller then nothing comes close. To understand what I mean let me take you back to when I was growing up, to the days of windows 95/98 when there was only one choice for serious gaming, the pc. When you had games that defined genres and paved the way for what we have now, games like C&C, Total Anhiliation, Doom, might and magic, the origional Call of Duty. These games where above and beyond anything that the consoles could manage, and as such consoles were always more of a 'casual' thing. At this point most serious developers were making games for the pc and not consoles. To me this should still be true, the change over happened not because of cost of pc's (which were far more expensive then) or a lack of a market but because of clever marketing from sony with the launch of the playstation, that was the begining of the end for mainstream pc gaming. And at the risk of being unpopular with non pc gamers, console games to a certain point still have this 'casual' edge to them if you compare say a modern FPS to its older cousin the legnth and difficulty are both significantly less than in the origional. To back up what I'm saying I'll give you a couple of examples. To start, scince I've mentioned it already I'll go with Call of Duty, if you compare playing the origional two in the series with the later four ( I've never played big red one) playing the main campaign on normal is the same as hard on the later episodes, also the legnth is about a quater of the origional. For my next example I'll move to RTS, I play most games on hard but there are certain games (most of which are only found on pc) where the ai own me if I put the difficulty up and I like this kind of challenge, that is what real gaming is to me.
Another point I want to touch on is that people are starting to talk about how one day maybe we will have a time where we don't have separate platforms for games and how much better that will be, but we've already had that time and have left it for a one where we all have lots of seperate devices to do what one used to. I have a friend who has an ipod for listening to music, an iphone for checking email and browsing the web, an xbox 360 for playing games, an ipad for checking email and browsing the web and a laptop for the same and doing a bit of work. Me I have a pc that does it all, yes I understand the benifit of portable devices but do you take them all with you everytime you leave the house? if not then they loose their benifit.
To close, I never meant this to turn into a rant although I'm aware that at times it may seem like it. If you feel that I'm acting like a pc elitist, thats because I am. Not because I'm better than you or that I have more money but because pc's will always have an advantage over a console.
Another point I want to touch on is that people are starting to talk about how one day maybe we will have a time where we don't have separate platforms for games and how much better that will be, but we've already had that time and have left it for a one where we all have lots of seperate devices to do what one used to. I have a friend who has an ipod for listening to music, an iphone for checking email and browsing the web, an xbox 360 for playing games, an ipad for checking email and browsing the web and a laptop for the same and doing a bit of work. Me I have a pc that does it all, yes I understand the benifit of portable devices but do you take them all with you everytime you leave the house? if not then they loose their benifit.
To close, I never meant this to turn into a rant although I'm aware that at times it may seem like it. If you feel that I'm acting like a pc elitist, thats because I am. Not because I'm better than you or that I have more money but because pc's will always have an advantage over a console.
I used to be a PC gamer but switched to console because when all's said and done consoles are better. There I said it. It's not stupid or lazy to prefer consoles any more than it's stupid or lazy to prefer driving a car to taking a ten mile hike. If you can be bothered to fuck about with a PC then yes it's better in every way and good for you, but I'm afraid I have a life so I gave up on that.
My PC still runs fine and use it for a few things but despite the fact that I bought it for gaming purposes thanks to a variety of updates it no longer runs most of the games I originally played on it, and I'm a retro-gaming guy, hence my abandonment. I'm sure that if I could be bothered to unravel the puzzle that is the PC that I would be greatly rewarded for doing so but the thing is I have better things to do with my time and if you don't and behaving smug and superior makes you feel better about it then hurray for you. If I had another use for my PC then maybe I'd look into it but when it comes to gaming I don't see how I'm better off taking the least efficient method to do so.
Having said that if I had the money I'd more than likely splash out on a new PC and revert to my old ways rather than expand my console collection. But who are we kidding, it'll all be the same thing sooner or later, one big device that incorporates convenience and power and whatever the hell else it is we really want and all of this will be irrelevant. Then we can go back to arguing which manufacturer is better like the good old PS2 versus Xbox days (yes I'm aware that probably still happens, I'm just making a point).
My PC still runs fine and use it for a few things but despite the fact that I bought it for gaming purposes thanks to a variety of updates it no longer runs most of the games I originally played on it, and I'm a retro-gaming guy, hence my abandonment. I'm sure that if I could be bothered to unravel the puzzle that is the PC that I would be greatly rewarded for doing so but the thing is I have better things to do with my time and if you don't and behaving smug and superior makes you feel better about it then hurray for you. If I had another use for my PC then maybe I'd look into it but when it comes to gaming I don't see how I'm better off taking the least efficient method to do so.
Having said that if I had the money I'd more than likely splash out on a new PC and revert to my old ways rather than expand my console collection. But who are we kidding, it'll all be the same thing sooner or later, one big device that incorporates convenience and power and whatever the hell else it is we really want and all of this will be irrelevant. Then we can go back to arguing which manufacturer is better like the good old PS2 versus Xbox days (yes I'm aware that probably still happens, I'm just making a point).
It's the cycle of hatred. I believe that it was explained in the Lion King or some other well known work of philosophy.
Naw, PC Gamers tend to be like petrolheads, looking in askance at people who just use their car as nothing more than something to get from A to B and are fine with that as long as it's working.octafish said:
A bunch of my fam are petrolheads (mad RatRodders, to be precise) and their blather about engine timings and gear ratios and low end torque Vs high end torque is no different to the convos I have with other hardware enthusiasts. We enjoy tinkering with and discussing the arcana of our hobby.
I think the big problem is that there's still the mindset that you have to be a hardware enthusiast to be a PC gamer. It's just not necessary these days to be both just to get an enjoyable PC gaming experience (it still helps but it's not essential).
More RAM and processing power available for complex AI coding on PCs means increased opportunity for challenging AI. I say 'opportunity' because as complexity of AI increase so does unpredictablity so it's a balancing act.JFrog84 said: