Why so much PC gamer hate recently?

[gustcq]

For all the recent problems? Blame Moviebob.

I know this topic has been posted 1-2 times per year...but honestly, i've been posting in march mayhem and every round theres some post, "escapist is mostly pc gamer this, escpaist is biased etc.."
I'm a pc gamer, but also i own consoles ps3, wii etc...

So why the hate ?

When people insult PC gamers, what they're talking about 99% of the time are PC elitists. Those who always shout "CONSOLIZED" and talk about how stupid Console Gamers are because they don't play Europa Universalis or Planescape: Torment or something. Or because they like Mass Effect 2 over the older BioWare titles. They deserve hate because of how condescending they get.[/quote}
What he said. The problem is that it's March. People tend to get nasty around this time on this site. And PC Elitists are already an extremely nasty bunch, so imagine them having people feed into their petty little flamewars... *shudders*

Still, this site DOES have a lot of PC fanboys. And like I said, this time of year, they go from PC fans to members of the PC Master Race. Normally sane PC gamers just completely lose their mind...

hahahaha....does pc gamer still have a soul? i mean when u waste big years of your life playing WoW, EVE, FF XI? I don't have anything against console players but come on....never shall ya compare example FF 14 (which personally sucked b...!) on PS3 to they awesomeness of a great built PC on a 40 inch samsumg LED!

Uh... what? Did I make you angry? If that is the case, I am sorry. In retrospect, I see I knida sounded like a dick in that post, I was just saying that around this time of the year, there are all sorts of flamewars going on. Most of the hate towards PC Gamers are towards the vocal minority who hate on console gamers. I wasn't hating on PC gamers, just the kind who sound like... well, the response you just made. If that was sarcasm, I'm having a hard time picking up on it.

For all the recent problems? Blame Moviebob.

I know this topic has been posted 1-2 times per year...but honestly, i've been posting in march mayhem and every round theres some post, "escapist is mostly pc gamer this, escpaist is biased etc.."
I'm a pc gamer, but also i own consoles ps3, wii etc...

So why the hate ?

When people insult PC gamers, what they're talking about 99% of the time are PC elitists. Those who always shout "CONSOLIZED" and talk about how stupid Console Gamers are because they don't play Europa Universalis or Planescape: Torment or something. Or because they like Mass Effect 2 over the older BioWare titles. They deserve hate because of how condescending they get.

What he said. The problem is that it's March. People tend to get nasty around this time on this site. And PC Elitists are already an extremely nasty bunch, so imagine them having people feed into their petty little flamewars... *shudders*

Still, this site DOES have a lot of PC fanboys. And like I said, this time of year, they go from PC fans to members of the PC Master Race. Normally sane PC gamers just completely lose their mind...

hahahaha....does pc gamer still have a soul? i mean when u waste big years of your life playing WoW, EVE, FF XI? I don't have anything against console players but come on....never shall ya compare example FF 14 (which personally sucked b...!) on PS3 to they awesomeness of a great built PC on a 40 inch samsumg LED!

Uh... what? Did I make you angry? If that is the case, I am sorry. In retrospect, I see I knida sounded like a dick in that post, I was just saying that around this time of the year, there are all sorts of flamewars going on. Most of the hate towards PC Gamers are towards the vocal minority who hate on console gamers. I wasn't hating on PC gamers, just the kind who sound like... well, the response you just made. If that was sarcasm, I'm having a hard time picking up on it.

Nah not angry, just replying to your comment. Also i agree with you totally, this time of the year there a bunch a new memmbers and some start flamewars, some don't. Some stay...some never comeback til next year. Diversity! Once again i thank you for stating your feelings.

 

[Balobo]

Because a lot of console games get insecure when you mention that the PC support your needs the best and then they have to call you an elitists.

i'm not insecure that i can't play my games on optimized settings like on a console and that i don't have to jump through the hoops of anti-virus, knowing how to put together and take apart a computer, and DRM before actually getting to run a game that may crash every few minutes or not.

i just don't like it when people say "PC can do more!" yes, but not as efficiently unless you're a super-genius who spent his/her whole life learning about ALL the proper ways to build a PC. It's not as easy as buying a console and just popping in a disc, and if PC gaming wants to match console gaming it has to get to THAT level of simplicity before anyone says "PC GAMINGZ IS NOT TEH DEADZ!!!!"

It's not necessarily about being a super genius, it's more about not being an idiot. Putting together a computer is pretty simple, you're just putting a bunch of parts together.

btw you don't need anti virus, I go without it.

so.... you're an idiot if you don't know all of this?
http://www.build-gaming-computers.com/custom-gaming-computers.html

yeah... i tried taking a computer building class in high school and that shit is INSANE! you'd have to have photographic memory to know all that!

I guess I have a photographic memory .-.

 

[Nimcha]

It sucks... I am by all accounts a PC gamer since I don't own any consoles, but my PC is pretty old. It can manage DA2 on medium settings with 2x AA but that's about it.

So I get all the flak without even having a justification to act all superior and elitist. Bah.

 

[Hatchet90]

I'd rather pay $400 for a console once and never wonder if the game is going to work well, nor wonder how much money I need to play a $50 game properly. Many PC gamers have more disposable income, or more time on their hands to buy a video card from Newegg and have to wait a week to play a game.

However, I will say that modding is cool and that it's much easier to capture game footage on a PC, and consoles will probably never match the graphics from a PC.

 

[Canadish]

As a console gamer, I still find myself agreeing with the PC crowd.

They're usually just demanding a better product, which I don't see anything wrong with. They sometimes get nasty and attack console gamers, blaming them directly. But in honesty, "dumbing down" is a major problem with the industry right now, not matter your platform, so I still agree with them.

Dragon age 2 has (ironically, similar to its in game plot) become the Maelstrom that's bringing the debate up more recently.
I loved Origins on my 360, I never really had a problem with the controls. DA2 did improve this somewhat.
However, it was a painfully inferior game, which many people guessed (PC players for a large part of it), and so its "justified" alot of their arguments.
But, then they got cocky, and their was a back lash from us in the console crowd, and the flame wars began.

Putting aside that current issue though, I do feel bad for the PC crowd. They are getting a raw deal lately. Games are getting features stripped out of them because the PC just does not bring in the same kind of cash, so they get "streamlined" for consoles.
I like it when I get a game I could not play otherwise, I do sometimes feel Devs are using "strealineed" as an excuse to get lazy and make simple shovel ware shooters.

 

[linwolf]

Because a lot of console games get insecure when you mention that the PC support your needs the best and then they have to call you an elitists.

i'm not insecure that i can't play my games on optimized settings like on a console and that i don't have to jump through the hoops of anti-virus, knowing how to put together and take apart a computer, and DRM before actually getting to run a game that may crash every few minutes or not.

i just don't like it when people say "PC can do more!" yes, but not as efficiently unless you're a super-genius who spent his/her whole life learning about ALL the proper ways to build a PC. It's not as easy as buying a console and just popping in a disc, and if PC gaming wants to match console gaming it has to get to THAT level of simplicity before anyone says "PC GAMINGZ IS NOT TEH DEADZ!!!!"

Do you know how to use Lego then you can built a computer, and if you don't know how to use anti virus then what are you doing on the internet. Yes DRM are a bith and there have been more than a few game I have past up because of it. I have played pc games all my life and there have never been a game that I could not get to run stable.
It's not hard to learn, if you have a friend that know about the subject you can learn all you need in an afternoon, else it's a couple of day on the net should give you all you need.

 

[thom_cat_]

As a console gamer, I still find myself agreeing with the PC crowd.

They're usually just demanding a better product, which I don't see anything wrong with. They sometimes get nasty and attack console gamers, blaming them directly. But in honesty, "dumbing down" is a major problem with the industry right now, not matter your platform, so I still agree with them.

Putting aside that current issue though, I do feel bad for the PC crowd. They are getting a raw deal lately. Games are getting features stripped out of them because the PC just does not bring in the same kind of cash, so they get "streamlined" for consoles.
I like it when I get a game I could not play otherwise, I do sometimes feel Devs are using "streamlined" as an excuse to get lazy and make simple shovel ware shooters.

Fuck mate, you are an amazing individual.

Look, it's not consoles that we are pissed at, it's the console game system coming across to us. Sure, the PC is better, but it has it's own drawbacks, whether that's price, local multiplayer or if game installation hates your guts.

Personally I'd rather be elitist than stupid. (Consoletards, not console players if ya get what I mean.)

 

[Canman2941]

Im pretty sure the escapist magazine employees cant control what their members play, so honestly if you are saying that the escapist is biased over something they cant control, im surprised you know how to breathe.

 

[James Raynor]

When people insult PC gamers, what they're talking about 99% of the time are PC elitists. Those who always shout "CONSOLIZED" and talk about how stupid Console Gamers are because they don't play Europa Universalis or Planescape: Torment or something. Or because they like Mass Effect 2 over the older BioWare titles. They deserve hate because of how condescending they get.[/quote]


Dragonage 2's unusually poor quality isn't helping.

 

[FlitterFilms]

Regards people saying maintaining a PC isn't hard, such as this ...

Because a lot of console games get insecure when you mention that the PC support your needs the best and then they have to call you an elitists.

i'm not insecure that i can't play my games on optimized settings like on a console and that i don't have to jump through the hoops of anti-virus, knowing how to put together and take apart a computer, and DRM before actually getting to run a game that may crash every few minutes or not.

i just don't like it when people say "PC can do more!" yes, but not as efficiently unless you're a super-genius who spent his/her whole life learning about ALL the proper ways to build a PC. It's not as easy as buying a console and just popping in a disc, and if PC gaming wants to match console gaming it has to get to THAT level of simplicity before anyone says "PC GAMINGZ IS NOT TEH DEADZ!!!!"

Do you know how to use Lego then you can built a computer, and if you don't know how to use anti virus then what are you doing on the internet. Yes DRM are a bith and there have been more than a few game I have past up because of it. I have played pc games all my life and there have never been a game that I could not get to run stable.
It's not hard to learn, if you have a friend that know about the subject you can learn all you need in an afternoon, else it's a couple of day on the net should give you all you need.

... and this ...

Because a lot of console games get insecure when you mention that the PC support your needs the best and then they have to call you an elitists.

i'm not insecure that i can't play my games on optimized settings like on a console and that i don't have to jump through the hoops of anti-virus, knowing how to put together and take apart a computer, and DRM before actually getting to run a game that may crash every few minutes or not.

i just don't like it when people say "PC can do more!" yes, but not as efficiently unless you're a super-genius who spent his/her whole life learning about ALL the proper ways to build a PC. It's not as easy as buying a console and just popping in a disc, and if PC gaming wants to match console gaming it has to get to THAT level of simplicity before anyone says "PC GAMINGZ IS NOT TEH DEADZ!!!!"

It's not necessarily about being a super genius, it's more about not being an idiot. Putting together a computer is pretty simple, you're just putting a bunch of parts together.

btw you don't need anti virus, I go without it.

so.... you're an idiot if you don't know all of this?
http://www.build-gaming-computers.com/custom-gaming-computers.html

yeah... i tried taking a computer building class in high school and that shit is INSANE! you'd have to have photographic memory to know all that!

I guess I have a photographic memory .-.

I agree, maintaining a PC isn't hard, I used to do okay, my argument is why bother? Being a PC enthusiast and being a gaming enthusiast are two entirely different schools of thought. I'm fairly confident nobody maintains a good PC set up just because they love games, they do it because they love their PC, and why the hell not, PC's are awesome and I'm supremely jealous of anyone who has an impressive set up. However, don't just buy a PC for gaming, that's stupid, buy a PC because you love the idea of having and maintaining a PC. If you bought a relatively low spec PC for more than likely around twice the price of a console and you almost never bother to upgrade it or work on it and you have it just for the purposes of playing games then you're an idiot. PC's are superior pieces of tech, no one should be stupid enough to deny that, and if you're going to have one it's a commitment to maintain that tech. If you can't be bothered then there's nothing wrong with that, I gave up on PC gaming because I went out, got a job, got a girlfriend, had shit to do and bills to pay and realised I barely used my PC to it's full capacity and a whole load of software updates had fucked up most of it's old capabilities anyway so when it came to the next upgrade a console was the smart choice. Maybe I'll return to the PC one day maybe I won't.

I hope I'm making sense here. I still have PC "elitist" (for lack of a better term) friends and at the end of the day they are dicks, and they're not even particularly hard core, they just wax idiotic about PC related drivel not realising that nobody gives a shit. I have absolutely nothing against PC elitist gamers as long as they realise that nobody cares what they think about anything. The same goes for console fanboys, nooooboooddddy cares. Games are fun, enjoy them and shut the fuck up.

 

[omega 616]

I'm fairly confident nobody maintains a good PC set up just because they love games, they do it because they love their PC, and why the hell not, PC's are awesome and I'm supremely jealous of anyone who has an impressive set up. However, don't just buy a PC for gaming, that's stupid.

Why is that stupid? The only things my computer does is light internet surfing and play games and as soon as it gets a better processor (and it could do with a touch more RAM) it will be a fairly good gaming PC, I am idiot for not using it to do more? It's my PC if I want to use it to play nothing but minecraft then I shouldn't be branded an idiot for doing so.

 

[Souplex]

Because we're fed up with you. I used to be one of you, and I can safely say you're not making yourselves likable.

 

[FlitterFilms]

I'm fairly confident nobody maintains a good PC set up just because they love games, they do it because they love their PC, and why the hell not, PC's are awesome and I'm supremely jealous of anyone who has an impressive set up. However, don't just buy a PC for gaming, that's stupid.

Why is that stupid? The only things my computer does is light internet surfing and play games and as soon as it gets a better processor (and it could do with a touch more RAM) it will be a fairly good gaming PC, I am idiot for not using it to do more? It's my PC if I want to use it to play nothing but minecraft then I shouldn't be branded an idiot for doing so.

I probably didn't express myself clearly, I didn't mean you had to do more with your PC in the sense of using it for more things than gaming. What I was trying to say is if all you want to do is play a game (that is to say a game not exclusively in the PC world because then you don't really have a choice) and you don't intend to maintain your PC by replacing parts and seeking out the best updates and blah blah blah then that is what's stupid. If you just own a PC for gaming and don't look after said PC then that is stupid. You sound like you do know something about your PC and show it the attention it deserves in which case if all you want to do is game with it that's fine, that's what you got it for and if you're take the appropriate care of that PC to have the best gaming experience you can then that's how it should be.

I was lashing out at people who don't understand PC's and mistakenly buy one because they think it's automatically superior when in reality their attention span is better suited to a console that requires very little (if any) maintenance. I know there are people like that out there. If you just want to game and don't really care too much about the finer details then a console is the way to go absolutely. Owning and maintaining a PC is a bigger commitment than simply wanting better quality in your games, better quality in your games is the reward you get for taking that commitment seriously.

Hope that clears that up.

 

[omega 616]

I'm fairly confident nobody maintains a good PC set up just because they love games, they do it because they love their PC, and why the hell not, PC's are awesome and I'm supremely jealous of anyone who has an impressive set up. However, don't just buy a PC for gaming, that's stupid.

Why is that stupid? The only things my computer does is light internet surfing and play games and as soon as it gets a better processor (and it could do with a touch more RAM) it will be a fairly good gaming PC, I am idiot for not using it to do more? It's my PC if I want to use it to play nothing but minecraft then I shouldn't be branded an idiot for doing so.

I probably didn't express myself clearly, I didn't mean you had to do more with your PC in the sense of using it for more things than gaming. What I was trying to say is if all you want to do is play a game (that is to say a game not exclusively in the PC world because then you don't really have a choice) and you don't intend to maintain your PC by replacing parts and seeking out the best updates and blah blah blah then that is what's stupid. If you just own a PC for gaming and don't look after said PC then that is stupid. You sound like you do know something about your PC and show it the attention it deserves in which case if all you want to do is game with it that's fine, that's what you got it for and if you're take the appropriate care of that PC to have the best gaming experience you can then that's how it should be.

I was lashing out at people who don't understand PC's and mistakenly buy one because they think it's automatically superior when in reality their attention span is better suited to a console that requires very little (if any) maintenance. I know there are people like that out there. If you just want to game and don't really care too much about the finer details then a console is the way to go absolutely. Owning and maintaining a PC is a bigger commitment than simply wanting better quality in your games, better quality in your games is the reward you get for taking that commitment seriously.

Hope that clears that up.

I am mainly a console gamer, I just prefer it.

I bought a PC 'cos I love RTS games and consoles should never have an RTS on them, I bought more RAM 'cos I needed it (it had 2 halves so I swapped one for a 3gb), I bought a graphics card 'cos the other one was really old and newer games were unplayable on it, I need a processor 'cos I really want to plsy SC2 and the one I have isn't up to the job.

I have no freaking idea how to clean up files or maintain a computer further than "defrag" and the clean files thing. I have no idea how to change PC parts, my brother talks me through it.

I buy parts out of necessity rather than increasing performance, which is why I prefer consoles, there is no messing about and the graphics on a console are more than enough for me. In fact, I think crysis style graphics are too much, it looks more real than real life does.

 

[Wolfram23]

Might be graphics whoring, but damn. And that's an 8800GTS which in todays standard would be about a $150 mainstream card. (Actually probably less).

Anyway... I think a lot of PC gamers are just enthusiasts much like the analogy someone already said about people who drive cars vs motor heads. I see people driving their mini vans and rusted out '88 civics, and good for them. But for me, there's a reason I picked an 02 RSX Type S. Just like there's a reason I built my own PC with crossfire 5850s and an i5 750 CPU and then went ahead and overclocked the hell out of everything. I also have a PS3 and love playing games on it too, but given the choice I almost always get the game on PC.

 

[Continuity]

Anyway... I think a lot of PC gamers are just enthusiasts much like the analogy someone already said about people who drive cars vs motor heads. I see people driving their mini vans and rusted out '88 civics, and good for them. But for me, there's a reason I picked an 02 RSX Type S. Just like there's a reason I built my own PC with crossfire 5850s and an i5 750 CPU and then went ahead and overclocked the hell out of everything. I also have a PS3 and love playing games on it too, but given the choice I almost always get the game on PC.

Thats well said, I am a PC elitist or at least I always end up sounding like one in debates, but yeah, really I'm just an enthusiast and I know what I like: which in most cases is what is offered by the PC platform. I guess I just get protective about it sometimes.

 

[mrhateful]

I know this topic has been posted 1-2 times per year...but honestly, i've been posting in march mayhem and every round theres some post, "escapist is mostly pc gamer this, escpaist is biased etc.."
I'm a pc gamer, but also i own consoles ps3, wii etc...

So why the hate ?

Do I look like a hateful pc gamer to you?

 

[FlitterFilms]

I'm fairly confident nobody maintains a good PC set up just because they love games, they do it because they love their PC, and why the hell not, PC's are awesome and I'm supremely jealous of anyone who has an impressive set up. However, don't just buy a PC for gaming, that's stupid.

Why is that stupid? The only things my computer does is light internet surfing and play games and as soon as it gets a better processor (and it could do with a touch more RAM) it will be a fairly good gaming PC, I am idiot for not using it to do more? It's my PC if I want to use it to play nothing but minecraft then I shouldn't be branded an idiot for doing so.

I probably didn't express myself clearly, I didn't mean you had to do more with your PC in the sense of using it for more things than gaming. What I was trying to say is if all you want to do is play a game (that is to say a game not exclusively in the PC world because then you don't really have a choice) and you don't intend to maintain your PC by replacing parts and seeking out the best updates and blah blah blah then that is what's stupid. If you just own a PC for gaming and don't look after said PC then that is stupid. You sound like you do know something about your PC and show it the attention it deserves in which case if all you want to do is game with it that's fine, that's what you got it for and if you're take the appropriate care of that PC to have the best gaming experience you can then that's how it should be.

I was lashing out at people who don't understand PC's and mistakenly buy one because they think it's automatically superior when in reality their attention span is better suited to a console that requires very little (if any) maintenance. I know there are people like that out there. If you just want to game and don't really care too much about the finer details then a console is the way to go absolutely. Owning and maintaining a PC is a bigger commitment than simply wanting better quality in your games, better quality in your games is the reward you get for taking that commitment seriously.

Hope that clears that up.

I am mainly a console gamer, I just prefer it.

I bought a PC 'cos I love RTS games and consoles should never have an RTS on them, I bought more RAM 'cos I needed it (it had 2 halves so I swapped one for a 3gb), I bought a graphics card 'cos the other one was really old and newer games were unplayable on it, I need a processor 'cos I really want to plsy SC2 and the one I have isn't up to the job.

I have no freaking idea how to clean up files or maintain a computer further than "defrag" and the clean files thing. I have no idea how to change PC parts, my brother talks me through it.

I buy parts out of necessity rather than increasing performance, which is why I prefer consoles, there is no messing about and the graphics on a console are more than enough for me. In fact, I think crysis style graphics are too much, it looks more real than real life does.

What you've mentioned is more work than some people I know can be bothered with, lol. I did say this though;

(that is to say a game not exclusively in the PC world because then you don't really have a choice)

Which kind of fits in with RTS games that I agree don't really work on console. If you need a PC to play the games you want to play then that's just what you have to do. Pretty much how I started. I prefer consoles for the same reasons you mention and haven't played anything on my PC or upgraded my system since Half Life 2. If we agree that consoles are more efficient then I'm not sure why it feels like we're arguing but sorry if I offended you at all.

 

[GotMalkAvian]

Uuuuh... I didn't say it wasn't a Bioware game or an RPG, I just expressed my opinion.
Which is: I don't like DA2 as a Bioware game or an RPG, but I still like it
Apart from that I agree with your points.

Yup. Sorry. My bad. I misread your post. I can agree with you that DAII isn't entirely up to par with BioWare's usual standards, and probably would've been much better received as the first entry in a new series.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

I'd don't care what people say for every PC elitist on this site and the internet there is a console elitist waiting to take the flamebait. Some things the PC and consoles just do better.

I know I will probably get flak for this but a mouse and keyboard is better than a controller. If they could fix motion controls for FPS gaming that would be king but unfortunately that is not 100% there yet. A controller cannot alternate between 800, 1600, 2400 and 3200 DPI within less than a second and have 2 different sensitivity settings. That degree of control and accuracy is just not possible. You may prefer or be better with a controller than kb+M. I have used both and started on controller so I can say from my own experience mouse is better for aiming.

Although consoles do movement better with the analog so controllers kick keyboard's ass when it comes to game like DMC, PoP and 3d platformers. However, on the PC you can get a controller so even if you really did prefer that over kb+M for other games then you have the option. PCs are meant to be for people who want near 100% customisation and personalisation. They are for people who are willing to go through troubleshooting and googling fixes. They are for people who want the free and amazing mod support that Bethesda and Stalker(amongst others) have. Consoles on the other hand are for the gamer who just wants to lounge back on their comfy couch/bean chair shove in a disk and play. No waiting no worries that it won't work just play. Simplicity. Neither is better just for different people but they do excel in different areas which is why some genres have evolved better on each system.

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Fair enough building a PC can be hard for your first time giving it a try I will give that. Building a PC is a tad daunting. I have never ever had my anti virus interfere with my gaming ever. Even if there was a problem with that or anything else just google it. You are never the only one. No one is saying it is as simple as consoles but it does not require a high level of intelligence. You just need a bit of patience and perseverance.

the mouse and keyboard set up means most pc gamers can ain faster than a console gamer can
but how does that make them better for FPSs i mean auto aim just slows your aim on the target slightly so as to compensate for the slight loss of control in a controller when compared to a mouse
consoles are cheaper and easier to use which makes them more popular with the majority of gamers
pc gaming requires knowledge of building and keeping up to date a high end computer than can cost several thousand pounds at best
RTSs still cant exist on a console properly but just because things are different does not make them better.
why does the extra control of a mouse and keyboard make pc gaming better
they are just different
now both of you console gamers and pc gamers go and play some damn games and stop arguing about when you could be playing games or doing something else.

No auto aim aims for you and is basically a watered down aimbot. Aim assist slows down your turn speed when over a target and to a lesser degree drags mouse but this depends on game. It makes it better for FPS gaming as a crutch is not needed to play effectively. Console gaming being cheaper than PC really depends on the volume of games you buy new and peripherals you get and how often you upgrade. PC gaming should never cost several thousand anything. I've already stated what each system excells at and why I think they are equal so I won't restate.